Thanks, Gary. Can you send us the names and phone numbers of the Judiciary members? Beyond Judiciary what other hoops does the bill have to clear before it becomes law? Is there some place on line that we can see the changes to it as it proceeds?
Frank
On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Gary Zuckett wrote:
Hello all,
I have good tidings! HB 3021 passed out of House Roads & Transportation this afternoon and is now headed to House Judiciary. Calls to the chair, Delegate Miley, and to all committee members would be helpful. Judiciary must pass this bill by Friday to keep it on track to be voted on the Floor by next Wed and passed over to the Senate.
The 4 ft passing rule was amended to 3 feet. One other amendment passed – I’ll have the language tomorrow to see what else was changed.
Thanks,
Gary Zuckett, WV Citizen Action for WV Connecting Communites
From: Christiaan Abildso [mailto:Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:56 AM To: Tom Heywood; Gail Pitchford; Charles Holley; DSpencer36@comcast.net; Frank Gmeindl; Andrea Salina; Emily Vasile; Greg Garrett; Kasey Russell; Stacy Bisker; Tom Wood; Dennis A Strawn; Bill Austin; John Manchester; Emily Vasile; Patrick Donovan; Steve Fowler; Patricia Clay; Ted Armbrecht; Michael Loughney; Jeffrey Lusk; Rahul Gupta; Gary Zuckett; Gary Zuckett; Andrea Salina; Craig Slaughter Subject: Re: HB3021 is moving!
Excellent! I've sent the message out to members of my pedestrian safety board list and contacted Del Barill. Well done. Christiaan
On 3/26/2013 at 5:39 PM, russell.kasey@gmail.com wrote:
Hello WVCC Members -- Our bill, HB3021, is on the House Roads & Transportation Committee agenda tomorrow at 2:00. If you have a few minutes, please call as many delegates as you can to urge their support of the bill. I am attaching talking points just in case you actually reach a delegate. At this point in the session, you will likely reach a voice mail or a secretary and will only be able to encourage support of the bill without giving any reason. Gary and I tried to get all delegates the talking points and even much thorough report developed by the Morgantown Bike Board. The biggest question has been why do not to require all cyclists to ride on the far right of every roadway (this bill would repeal that requirement); they also ask why should bikes not be required to use bike paths if one exists (this would also be repealed). Not much talk about the 4 foot passing requirement. Thanks for your help. kasey
House of Delegates -- Roads & Transportation Committee Chairwoman Staggers -- 304.340.3197 Vice Chair Phillips (Linda) -- 304.340.3163 Delegate Cowles -- 304.340.3177 Delegate Gearheart -- 304.340.3179 Delegates Barill -- 304.340.3173 Boggs -- 304.340.3220 Longstreth -- 304.340.3124 Lynch --304.340.3392 Marcum --304.340.3126 Poling, Daniel -- 304.340.3137 Skaff -- Doug is a sponsor. Smith, Margaret -- 304.340.3123 Stephens -- 304.340.3395 Stowers -- supporting bill; no need to call. Walker -- 304.340.3135 Wells -- Danny is head sponsor and does not need a call unless you want to thank him. Ambler -- 304.340.3129 Butler -- 304.340.3199 Cadle -- 304.340.3118 Ellington -- 304.340.3172 Espinosa -- 304.340.3130 Evans -- 304.340.3151 Hamrick -- 304.340-3141 Howell -- 304.340.3191 Shott -- 304.340.3187 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3267 / Virus Database: 3161/6205 - Release Date: 03/26/13
Frank,
Go to this link to the WV legislative web page http://www.legis.state.wv.us/Bill_Status/bill_status.cfm and type in the bill number to find out the status and the latest version of the language - look for Com Amendments. You'll see two of them listed now - the one to change 4 to 3 feet and the other appears to reinstate sub sec (a) that requires near to the right as practicable - we may be able to get this amended back in Judiciary -or when (if) it gets to the Senate - so don't sweat over this right now, the important thing is to keep the bill moving and get it over to the Senate where we'll have the rest of the session to improve it if possible..
Assuming the bill gets out of Judiciary Committee, it will then be read (announced) on the floor of the House for three days (Mon-Wed) Second reading (Tuesday) allows amendments from any Delegate on the floor of the chamber. Third reading they all vote it up or down and hopefully send it to the Senate!
Attached is a PDF doc with the phones and e-mails of all the Judiciary members. Remember it's the decision of the Chair, Delegate Miley, whether or not to place our bill on their (very packed) agenda. Anyone who might have a relationship with him or another committee member should contact the same and implore them to ask the chair to run the bill.
Then we need the votes on the committee to pass it out unscathed.
One amendment that failed yesterday was a proposal to limit groups of cyclists to no more than six on the road with a distance of at least 300 feet in between groups! This is part of the danger of opening the code to make things better - sometimes it can make things worse!
Hope this helps!
Gary Z for WVCC
From: Frank Gmeindl [mailto:fgmeindl@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:18 AM To: Gary Zuckett Cc: Christiaan Abildso; Tom Heywood; Gail Pitchford; Charles Holley; Don Spencer; Andrea Salina; Emily Vasile; Greg Garrett; Kasey Russell; Stacy Bisker; Tom Wood; Dennis A Strawn; Bill Austin; John Manchester; Emily Vasile; Patrick Donovan; Steve Fowler; Patricia Clay; Ted Armbrecht; Michael Loughney; Jeffrey Lusk; Rahul Gupta; Andrea Salina; Craig Slaughter; Bike Board Subject: Re: HB3021 passes Transportation Committee!
Thanks, Gary. Can you send us the names and phone numbers of the Judiciary members? Beyond Judiciary what other hoops does the bill have to clear before it becomes law? Is there some place on line that we can see the changes to it as it proceeds?
Frank
On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Gary Zuckett wrote:
Hello all,
I have good tidings! HB 3021 passed out of House Roads & Transportation this afternoon and is now headed to House Judiciary. Calls to the chair, Delegate Miley, and to all committee members would be helpful. Judiciary must pass this bill by Friday to keep it on track to be voted on the Floor by next Wed and passed over to the Senate.
The 4 ft passing rule was amended to 3 feet. One other amendment passed - I'll have the language tomorrow to see what else was changed.
Thanks,
Gary Zuckett, WV Citizen Action for WV Connecting Communites
From: Christiaan Abildso [mailto:Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:56 AM To: Tom Heywood; Gail Pitchford; Charles Holley; DSpencer36@comcast.net; Frank Gmeindl; Andrea Salina; Emily Vasile; Greg Garrett; Kasey Russell; Stacy Bisker; Tom Wood; Dennis A Strawn; Bill Austin; John Manchester; Emily Vasile; Patrick Donovan; Steve Fowler; Patricia Clay; Ted Armbrecht; Michael Loughney; Jeffrey Lusk; Rahul Gupta; Gary Zuckett; Gary Zuckett; Andrea Salina; Craig Slaughter Subject: Re: HB3021 is moving!
Excellent! I've sent the message out to members of my pedestrian safety board list and contacted Del Barill.
Well done. Christiaan
On 3/26/2013 at 5:39 PM, russell.kasey@gmail.com wrote:
Hello WVCC Members -- Our bill, HB3021, is on the House Roads & Transportation Committee agenda tomorrow at 2:00. If you have a few minutes, please call as many delegates as you can to urge their support of the bill. I am attaching talking points just in case you actually reach a delegate. At this point in the session, you will likely reach a voice mail or a secretary and will only be able to encourage support of the bill without giving any reason. Gary and I tried to get all delegates the talking points and even much thorough report developed by the Morgantown Bike Board. The biggest question has been why do not to require all cyclists to ride on the far right of every roadway (this bill would repeal that requirement); they also ask why should bikes not be required to use bike paths if one exists (this would also be repealed). Not much talk about the 4 foot passing requirement. Thanks for your help. kasey
House of Delegates -- Roads & Transportation Committee Chairwoman Staggers -- 304.340.3197 Vice Chair Phillips (Linda) -- 304.340.3163 Delegate Cowles -- 304.340.3177 Delegate Gearheart -- 304.340.3179 Delegates Barill -- 304.340.3173 Boggs -- 304.340.3220 Longstreth -- 304.340.3124 Lynch --304.340.3392 Marcum --304.340.3126 Poling, Daniel -- 304.340.3137 Skaff -- Doug is a sponsor. Smith, Margaret -- 304.340.3123 Stephens -- 304.340.3395 Stowers -- supporting bill; no need to call. Walker -- 304.340.3135 Wells -- Danny is head sponsor and does not need a call unless you want to thank him. Ambler -- 304.340.3129 Butler -- 304.340.3199 Cadle -- 304.340.3118 Ellington -- 304.340.3172 Espinosa -- 304.340.3130 Evans -- 304.340.3151 Hamrick -- 304.340-3141 Howell -- 304.340.3191 Shott -- 304.340.3187
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Gary,
Thanks for your guidance to the Com. Amendments. "This is part of the danger of opening the code to make things better – sometimes it can make things worse!" is one reason I resisted us pursuing legislation without first educating all relevant key stakeholders.
The fact that the very sponsors of the bill moved to amend it to reinstate the requirement that cyclists ride far to the right displays that they may not understand the dangers to cyclists of such a law. It also displays that they may not believe that cyclists have the same rights to the road as motorists but rather that bicyclists should get out of the way.
Frank
On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Gary Zuckett wrote:
This is part of the danger of opening the code to make things better – sometimes it can make things worse!
Does this amendment to the bill to reinstate the "as far right" language mean we should NOT contact the legislators? Or, can the bill be amended again to remove the as far right language? Christiaan
________________________________ From: Frank Gmeindl fgmeindl@gmail.com To: Gary Zuckett garyz@wvcag.org Cc: 'Dennis A Strawn' dennis.strawn@highmark.com; 'Charles Holley' cholley@cityofhuntington.com; 'Kasey Russell' russell.kasey@gmail.com; 'Craig Slaughter' craig.slaughter@wvimb.org; 'Ted Armbrecht' eca3@suddenlinkmail.com; 'Michael Loughney' mloughney@tioga-resources.com; 'Tom Wood' twood84@gmail.com; 'Rahul Gupta' rahul.gupta@wv.gov; 'Jeffrey Lusk' jlusk@trailsheaven.com; 'Greg Garrett' gagarrett@gmail.com; 'Christiaan Abildso' Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu; 'Steve Fowler' smf@pffwv.com; 'Andrea Salina' andreathompson31@gmail.com; 'Patricia Clay' patricia.clay@southernwv.edu; 'John Manchester' jmanchester@lewisburg-wv.com; 'Stacy Bisker' selaineb@gmail.com; 'Gail Pitchford' gail.pitchford@camc.org; 'Patrick Donovan' pdonovan@njrati.org; 'Emily Vasile' Emily.Vasile@mail.wvu.edu; 'Andrea Salina' a.salina@wvhub.org; 'Tom Heywood' theywood@bowlesrice.com; 'Bike Board' bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] HB3021 passes Transportation Committee! Gary, Thanks for your guidance to the Com. Amendments. "This is part of the danger of opening the code to make things better – sometimes it can make things worse!" is one reason I resisted us pursuing legislation without first educating all relevant key stakeholders. The fact that the very sponsors of the bill moved to amend it to reinstate the requirement that cyclists ride far to the right displays that they may not understand the dangers to cyclists of such a law. It also displays that they may not believe that cyclists have the same rights to the road as motorists but rather that bicyclists should get out of the way. Frank
On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Gary Zuckett wrote:
This is part of the danger of opening the code to make things better – sometimes it can make things worse!
_______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
When you call members of the judiciary committee you should tell them that the purpose of the bill was to remove the "far to the right" language. Judiciary members can fix it. Maybe del fleischaeur would be willing to speak to that. Frank, I don't have my notes in front of me but please reply to all regarding the number of states that have repealed their far to the right language. Thanks, kasey
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On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Christiaan Abildso cabildso@yahoo.com wrote:
Does this amendment to the bill to reinstate the "as far right" language mean we should NOT contact the legislators? Or, can the bill be amended again to remove the as far right language? Christiaan
From: Frank Gmeindl fgmeindl@gmail.com To: Gary Zuckett garyz@wvcag.org Cc: 'Dennis A Strawn' dennis.strawn@highmark.com; 'Charles Holley' cholley@cityofhuntington.com; 'Kasey Russell' russell.kasey@gmail.com; 'Craig Slaughter' craig.slaughter@wvimb.org; 'Ted Armbrecht' eca3@suddenlinkmail.com; 'Michael Loughney' mloughney@tioga-resources.com; 'Tom Wood' twood84@gmail.com; 'Rahul Gupta' rahul.gupta@wv.gov; 'Jeffrey Lusk' jlusk@trailsheaven.com; 'Greg Garrett' gagarrett@gmail.com; 'Christiaan Abildso' Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu; 'Steve Fowler' smf@pffwv.com; 'Andrea Salina' andreathompson31@gmail.com; 'Patricia Clay' patricia.clay@southernwv.edu; 'John Manchester' jmanchester@lewisburg-wv.com; 'Stacy Bisker' selaineb@gmail.com; 'Gail Pitchford' gail.pitchford@camc.org; 'Patrick Donovan' pdonovan@njrati.org; 'Emily Vasile' Emily.Vasile@mail.wvu.edu; 'Andrea Salina' a.salina@wvhub.org; 'Tom Heywood' theywood@bowlesrice.com; 'Bike Board' bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] HB3021 passes Transportation Committee!
Gary, Thanks for your guidance to the Com. Amendments. "This is part of the danger of opening the code to make things better – sometimes it can make things worse!" is one reason I resisted us pursuing legislation without first educating all relevant key stakeholders. The fact that the very sponsors of the bill moved to amend it to reinstate the requirement that cyclists ride far to the right displays that they may not understand the dangers to cyclists of such a law. It also displays that they may not believe that cyclists have the same rights to the road as motorists but rather that bicyclists should get out of the way. Frank
On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Gary Zuckett wrote:
This is part of the danger of opening the code to make things better – sometimes it can make things worse!
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
I do not know the number of states that have repealed far to the right law. I only know that 8 states plus the District of Columbia have either repealed or have not had far to the right law.
Frank
On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Kasey russell.kasey@gmail.com wrote:
When you call members of the judiciary committee you should tell them that the purpose of the bill was to remove the "far to the right" language. Judiciary members can fix it. Maybe del fleischaeur would be willing to speak to that. Frank, I don't have my notes in front of me but please reply to all regarding the number of states that have repealed their far to the right language. Thanks, kasey
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Christiaan Abildso cabildso@yahoo.com wrote:
Does this amendment to the bill to reinstate the "as far right" language mean we should NOT contact the legislators? Or, can the bill be amended again to remove the as far right language? Christiaan
From: Frank Gmeindl fgmeindl@gmail.com To: Gary Zuckett garyz@wvcag.org Cc: 'Dennis A Strawn' dennis.strawn@highmark.com; 'Charles Holley' cholley@cityofhuntington.com; 'Kasey Russell' russell.kasey@gmail.com; 'Craig Slaughter' craig.slaughter@wvimb.org; 'Ted Armbrecht' eca3@suddenlinkmail.com; 'Michael Loughney' mloughney@tioga-resources.com; 'Tom Wood' twood84@gmail.com; 'Rahul Gupta' rahul.gupta@wv.gov; 'Jeffrey Lusk' jlusk@trailsheaven.com; 'Greg Garrett' gagarrett@gmail.com; 'Christiaan Abildso' Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu; 'Steve Fowler' smf@pffwv.com; 'Andrea Salina' andreathompson31@gmail.com; 'Patricia Clay' patricia.clay@southernwv.edu; 'John Manchester' jmanchester@lewisburg-wv.com; 'Stacy Bisker' selaineb@gmail.com; 'Gail Pitchford' gail.pitchford@camc.org; 'Patrick Donovan' pdonovan@njrati.org; 'Emily Vasile' Emily.Vasile@mail.wvu.edu; 'Andrea Salina' a.salina@wvhub.org; 'Tom Heywood' theywood@bowlesrice.com; 'Bike Board' bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] HB3021 passes Transportation Committee!
Gary, Thanks for your guidance to the Com. Amendments. "This is part of the danger of opening the code to make things better – sometimes it can make things worse!" is one reason I resisted us pursuing legislation without first educating all relevant key stakeholders. The fact that the very sponsors of the bill moved to amend it to reinstate the requirement that cyclists ride far to the right displays that they may not understand the dangers to cyclists of such a law. It also displays that they may not believe that cyclists have the same rights to the road as motorists but rather that bicyclists should get out of the way. Frank
On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Gary Zuckett wrote:
This is part of the danger of opening the code to make things better – sometimes it can make things worse!
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Great job you all! The bike bill is on the judiciary committee agenda today! Frank's email to delegate fleischaeur is right on point. Kasey
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On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Christiaan Abildso cabildso@yahoo.com wrote:
Does this amendment to the bill to reinstate the "as far right" language mean we should NOT contact the legislators? Or, can the bill be amended again to remove the as far right language? Christiaan
From: Frank Gmeindl fgmeindl@gmail.com To: Gary Zuckett garyz@wvcag.org Cc: 'Dennis A Strawn' dennis.strawn@highmark.com; 'Charles Holley' cholley@cityofhuntington.com; 'Kasey Russell' russell.kasey@gmail.com; 'Craig Slaughter' craig.slaughter@wvimb.org; 'Ted Armbrecht' eca3@suddenlinkmail.com; 'Michael Loughney' mloughney@tioga-resources.com; 'Tom Wood' twood84@gmail.com; 'Rahul Gupta' rahul.gupta@wv.gov; 'Jeffrey Lusk' jlusk@trailsheaven.com; 'Greg Garrett' gagarrett@gmail.com; 'Christiaan Abildso' Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu; 'Steve Fowler' smf@pffwv.com; 'Andrea Salina' andreathompson31@gmail.com; 'Patricia Clay' patricia.clay@southernwv.edu; 'John Manchester' jmanchester@lewisburg-wv.com; 'Stacy Bisker' selaineb@gmail.com; 'Gail Pitchford' gail.pitchford@camc.org; 'Patrick Donovan' pdonovan@njrati.org; 'Emily Vasile' Emily.Vasile@mail.wvu.edu; 'Andrea Salina' a.salina@wvhub.org; 'Tom Heywood' theywood@bowlesrice.com; 'Bike Board' bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] HB3021 passes Transportation Committee!
Gary, Thanks for your guidance to the Com. Amendments. "This is part of the danger of opening the code to make things better – sometimes it can make things worse!" is one reason I resisted us pursuing legislation without first educating all relevant key stakeholders. The fact that the very sponsors of the bill moved to amend it to reinstate the requirement that cyclists ride far to the right displays that they may not understand the dangers to cyclists of such a law. It also displays that they may not believe that cyclists have the same rights to the road as motorists but rather that bicyclists should get out of the way. Frank
On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Gary Zuckett wrote:
This is part of the danger of opening the code to make things better – sometimes it can make things worse!
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Here's the house list, which includes phone numbers. If you click on the person, their personal page lists what committees they sit on.
http://www.legis.state.wv.us/House/roster.cfm
Traci
Frank Gmeindl fgmeindl@gmail.com 3/28/2013 8:17 AM >>>
Thanks, Gary. Can you send us the names and phone numbers of the Judiciary members? Beyond Judiciary what other hoops does the bill have to clear before it becomes law? Is there some place on line that we can see the changes to it as it proceeds?
Frank
On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Gary Zuckett wrote:
Hello all,
I have good tidings! HB 3021 passed out of House Roads & Transportation this afternoon and is now headed to House Judiciary. Calls to the chair, Delegate Miley, and to all committee members would be helpful. Judiciary must pass this bill by Friday to keep it on track to be voted on the Floor by next Wed and passed over to the Senate. The 4 ft passing rule was amended to 3 feet. One other amendment passed – I’ll have the language tomorrow to see what else was changed. Thanks, Gary Zuckett, WV Citizen Action for WV Connecting Communites
From: Christiaan Abildso [mailto:Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:56 AM To: Tom Heywood; Gail Pitchford; Charles Holley; DSpencer36@comcast.net; Frank Gmeindl; Andrea Salina; Emily Vasile; Greg Garrett; Kasey Russell; Stacy Bisker; Tom Wood; Dennis A Strawn; Bill Austin; John Manchester; Emily Vasile; Patrick Donovan; Steve Fowler; Patricia Clay; Ted Armbrecht; Michael Loughney; Jeffrey Lusk; Rahul Gupta; Gary Zuckett; Gary Zuckett; Andrea Salina; Craig Slaughter Subject: Re: HB3021 is moving!
Excellent! I've sent the message out to members of my pedestrian safety board list and contacted Del Barill. Well done. Christiaan
On 3/26/2013 at 5:39 PM, russell.kasey@gmail.com wrote:
Hello WVCC Members -- Our bill, HB3021, is on the House Roads & Transportation Committee agenda tomorrow at 2:00. If you have a few minutes, please call as many delegates as you can to urge their support of the bill. I am attaching talking points just in case you actually reach a delegate. At this point in the session, you will likely reach a voice mail or a secretary and will only be able to encourage support of the bill without giving any reason. Gary and I tried to get all delegates the talking points and even much thorough report developed by the Morgantown Bike Board. The biggest question has been why do not to require all cyclists to ride on the far right of every roadway (this bill would repeal that requirement); they also ask why should bikes not be required to use bike paths if one exists (this would also be repealed). Not much talk about the 4 foot passing requirement. Thanks for your help. kasey
House of Delegates -- Roads & Transportation Committee Chairwoman Staggers -- 304.340.3197 Vice Chair Phillips (Linda) -- 304.340.3163 Delegate Cowles -- 304.340.3177 Delegate Gearheart -- 304.340.3179 Delegates Barill -- 304.340.3173 Boggs -- 304.340.3220 Longstreth -- 304.340.3124 Lynch --304.340.3392 Marcum --304.340.3126 Poling, Daniel -- 304.340.3137 Skaff -- Doug is a sponsor. Smith, Margaret -- 304.340.3123 Stephens -- 304.340.3395 Stowers -- supporting bill; no need to call. Walker -- 304.340.3135 Wells -- Danny is head sponsor and does not need a call unless you want to thank him. Ambler -- 304.340.3129 Butler -- 304.340.3199 Cadle -- 304.340.3118 Ellington -- 304.340.3172 Espinosa -- 304.340.3130 Evans -- 304.340.3151 Hamrick -- 304.340-3141 Howell -- 304.340.3191 Shott -- 304.340.3187
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