On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Derek Springston dspringston@gmail.com wrote:
331 Beechurst Avenue.
Thanks Derek. A street address always works well and/or best. (make me click on a website link...) :) Didn't/don't they have a little paved ramp down to the rail trail, albeit probably "unsanctioned" and a bit sketchy? They have steps there. It's like a 7 foot difference isn't it? Or perhaps they're doing something different now. I will look at it and report back later in this fine and blustery day.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
On the way down to BOPARC to pick up tags for the valet service tonight, I observed workers in the process of finishing the cement for steps going down to the rail trail at the new Beech View Place development (I believe that is the correct name).
Care to enlighten me/us as to just where this is? I just tried The Google and didn't come up w/ anything.
This is a perfect opportunity to request that ramp(s) be placed on the side of these new steps so that bicyclists can easily push their bicycles up/down, rather than having to carry their bicycles up the steps. This would be an easy thing to add.
Who could we contact to make this request?
-Jonathan
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
-- Let deeds, not words, be your adorning. -'Abdu'l-Baha
“Every time I see an adult on a bicycle I no longer despair for the future of the human race.” -H.G. Wells
Hope to talk to Trevor once he is back in the office. I know of the "paved" ramp which is to be cleaned up and repaved once the weather accommodates. We have also asked for culverts at this site because this "sketchy" access is blocking water at our ditch lines.
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Derek Springston dspringston@gmail.com wrote:
331 Beechurst Avenue.
Thanks Derek. A street address always works well and/or best. (make me click on a website link...) :) Didn't/don't they have a little paved ramp down to the rail trail, albeit probably "unsanctioned" and a bit sketchy? They have steps there. It's like a 7 foot difference isn't it? Or perhaps they're doing something different now. I will look at it and report back later in this fine and blustery day.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
On the way down to BOPARC to pick up tags for the valet service tonight, I observed workers in the process of finishing the cement for steps going down to the rail trail at the new Beech View Place development (I believe that is the correct name).
Care to enlighten me/us as to just where this is? I just tried The Google and didn't come up w/ anything.
This is a perfect opportunity to request that ramp(s) be placed on the side of these new steps so that bicyclists can easily push their bicycles up/down, rather than having to carry their bicycles up the steps. This would be an easy thing to add.
Who could we contact to make this request?
-Jonathan
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
-- Let deeds, not words, be your adorning. -'Abdu'l-Baha
“Every time I see an adult on a bicycle I no longer despair for the future of the human race.” -H.G. Wells
Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
This might also be a good time to remind the Beechview developers that they agreed to provide secure bicycle parking for their tenants. I don't recall the design of the parking but I believe it was a locked cage that tenants could access with their room key and that within the cage, the bicycle racks would conform to APBP recommendations, http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.apbp.org/resource/resmgr/publications/bicycle_p... .
I'm copying Chris Fletcher Morgantown Director of Development Services since he was in contact with the developer about bicycle parking.
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Ella Belling wrote:
Hope to talk to Trevor once he is back in the office. I know of the "paved" ramp which is to be cleaned up and repaved once the weather accommodates. We have also asked for culverts at this site because this "sketchy" access is blocking water at our ditch lines.
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Derek Springston dspringston@gmail.com wrote:
331 Beechurst Avenue.
Thanks Derek. A street address always works well and/or best. (make me click on a website link...) :) Didn't/don't they have a little paved ramp down to the rail trail, albeit probably "unsanctioned" and a bit sketchy? They have steps there. It's like a 7 foot difference isn't it? Or perhaps they're doing something different now. I will look at it and report back later in this fine and blustery day.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
On the way down to BOPARC to pick up tags for the valet service tonight, I observed workers in the process of finishing the cement for steps going down to the rail trail at the new Beech View Place development (I believe that is the correct name).
Care to enlighten me/us as to just where this is? I just tried The Google and didn't come up w/ anything.
This is a perfect opportunity to request that ramp(s) be placed on the side of these new steps so that bicyclists can easily push their bicycles up/down, rather than having to carry their bicycles up the steps. This would be an easy thing to add.
Who could we contact to make this request?
-Jonathan
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
-- Let deeds, not words, be your adorning. -'Abdu'l-Baha
“Every time I see an adult on a bicycle I no longer despair for the future of the human race.” -H.G. Wells
Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
So perhaps I'm missing something. And if so then please do enlighten me.
Have many of you ridden/stopped by these steps? There are five or so steps, depending on how you count them. Difference between rail trail and top is probably less than I originally imagine, like 4-5 ft.
The entrance to the already existing ramp (that pretty much goes to the top of the steps) is probably 5-6 yards away from the bottom of the steps.
So who is suggesting that the developer, or whomever, needs to put a side path beside the steps so students can walk their bikes up? Instead of just riding up the ramp that is already there. Is this what we, the Bike Board, want to use whatever clout or influence we have for? I for one do not think so. I'm not sure that you want to know what I think of this...
Attached find some photos of the steps and ramp.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Ella Belling ella@montrails.org wrote:
Hope to talk to Trevor once he is back in the office. I know of the "paved" ramp which is to be cleaned up and repaved once the weather accommodates. We have also asked for culverts at this site because this "sketchy" access is blocking water at our ditch lines.
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Derek Springston dspringston@gmail.com wrote:
331 Beechurst Avenue.
Thanks Derek. A street address always works well and/or best. (make me click on a website link...) :) Didn't/don't they have a little paved ramp down to the rail trail, albeit probably "unsanctioned" and a bit sketchy? They have steps there. It's like a 7 foot difference isn't it? Or perhaps they're doing something different now. I will look at it and report back later in this fine and blustery day.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
On the way down to BOPARC to pick up tags for the valet service tonight, I observed workers in the process of finishing the cement for steps going down to the rail trail at the new Beech View Place development (I believe that is the correct name).
Care to enlighten me/us as to just where this is? I just tried The Google and didn't come up w/ anything.
This is a perfect opportunity to request that ramp(s) be placed on the side of these new steps so that bicyclists can easily push their bicycles up/down, rather than having to carry their bicycles up the steps. This would be an easy thing to add.
Who could we contact to make this request?
-Jonathan
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
-- Let deeds, not words, be your adorning. -'Abdu'l-Baha
“Every time I see an adult on a bicycle I no longer despair for the future of the human race.” -H.G. Wells
Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
Exactly. I didn't even notice that side path until I came back for the event, I saw you coming on your way to take a photo, but didn't have time to mention it to you. However, I happened to be looking for it because of the previous conversation. It is angled in such a way that it isn't obvious to a bicyclist coming down the trail that it is even there, also the mud on it doesn't help out .. it is quite sketchy. Because I didn't know the path was there, when I saw work being done on the steps, I thought a ramp along the steps would be an appropriate solution.
Ella, is correct this ramp needs to be repaved, and it needs to be made more obvious to travelers coming down the rail trail.
-Jonathan
On 03/19/2013 07:36 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
So perhaps I'm missing something. And if so then please do enlighten me.
Have many of you ridden/stopped by these steps? There are five or so steps, depending on how you count them. Difference between rail trail and top is probably less than I originally imagine, like 4-5 ft.
The entrance to the already existing ramp (that pretty much goes to the top of the steps) is probably 5-6 yards away from the bottom of the steps.
So who is suggesting that the developer, or whomever, needs to put a side path beside the steps so students can walk their bikes up? Instead of just riding up the ramp that is already there. Is this what we, the Bike Board, want to use whatever clout or influence we have for? I for one do not think so. I'm not sure that you want to know what I think of this...
Attached find some photos of the steps and ramp.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Ella Belling ella@montrails.org wrote:
Hope to talk to Trevor once he is back in the office. I know of the "paved" ramp which is to be cleaned up and repaved once the weather accommodates. We have also asked for culverts at this site because this "sketchy" access is blocking water at our ditch lines.
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Derek Springston dspringston@gmail.com wrote:
331 Beechurst Avenue.
Thanks Derek. A street address always works well and/or best. (make me click on a website link...) :) Didn't/don't they have a little paved ramp down to the rail trail, albeit probably "unsanctioned" and a bit sketchy? They have steps there. It's like a 7 foot difference isn't it? Or perhaps they're doing something different now. I will look at it and report back later in this fine and blustery day.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
On the way down to BOPARC to pick up tags for the valet service tonight, I observed workers in the process of finishing the cement for steps going down to the rail trail at the new Beech View Place development (I believe that is the correct name).
Care to enlighten me/us as to just where this is? I just tried The Google and didn't come up w/ anything.
This is a perfect opportunity to request that ramp(s) be placed on the side of these new steps so that bicyclists can easily push their bicycles up/down, rather than having to carry their bicycles up the steps. This would be an easy thing to add.
Who could we contact to make this request?
-Jonathan
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
-- Let deeds, not words, be your adorning. -'Abdu'l-Baha
"Every time I see an adult on a bicycle I no longer despair for the future of the human race." -H.G. Wells
Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
I've always noticed the ramp. It's been there quite a while.
And cleaned up it will be even more noticeable. Specially when folks are going up and down it. Whee! There, done, end of discussion.
I will say that their site is painful- http://aplaceatthebeech.com/ Misspeelings, incorrect usages and then just some things that are fabricated "practically next door to the PRT!" well I guess technically they are, except you CAN'T get on the PRT there! Oh well. Also rather obvious that the folks aren't from around here. Exploit the land, town and students! Yay!
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
Exactly. I didn't even notice that side path until I came back for the event, I saw you coming on your way to take a photo, but didn't have time to mention it to you. However, I happened to be looking for it because of the previous conversation. It is angled in such a way that it isn't obvious to a bicyclist coming down the trail that it is even there, also the mud on it doesn't help out .. it is quite sketchy. Because I didn't know the path was there, when I saw work being done on the steps, I thought a ramp along the steps would be an appropriate solution.
Ella, is correct this ramp needs to be repaved, and it needs to be made more obvious to travelers coming down the rail trail.
-Jonathan
On 03/19/2013 07:36 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
So perhaps I'm missing something. And if so then please do enlighten me.
Have many of you ridden/stopped by these steps? There are five or so steps, depending on how you count them. Difference between rail trail and top is probably less than I originally imagine, like 4-5 ft.
The entrance to the already existing ramp (that pretty much goes to the top of the steps) is probably 5-6 yards away from the bottom of the steps.
So who is suggesting that the developer, or whomever, needs to put a side path beside the steps so students can walk their bikes up? Instead of just riding up the ramp that is already there. Is this what we, the Bike Board, want to use whatever clout or influence we have for? I for one do not think so. I'm not sure that you want to know what I think of this...
Attached find some photos of the steps and ramp.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Ella Belling ella@montrails.org wrote:
Hope to talk to Trevor once he is back in the office. I know of the "paved" ramp which is to be cleaned up and repaved once the weather accommodates. We have also asked for culverts at this site because this "sketchy" access is blocking water at our ditch lines.
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Derek Springston dspringston@gmail.com wrote:
331 Beechurst Avenue.
Thanks Derek. A street address always works well and/or best. (make me click on a website link...) :) Didn't/don't they have a little paved ramp down to the rail trail, albeit probably "unsanctioned" and a bit sketchy? They have steps there. It's like a 7 foot difference isn't it? Or perhaps they're doing something different now. I will look at it and report back later in this fine and blustery day.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
On the way down to BOPARC to pick up tags for the valet service tonight, I observed workers in the process of finishing the cement for steps going down to the rail trail at the new Beech View Place development (I believe that is the correct name).
Care to enlighten me/us as to just where this is? I just tried The Google and didn't come up w/ anything.
This is a perfect opportunity to request that ramp(s) be placed on the side of these new steps so that bicyclists can easily push their bicycles up/down, rather than having to carry their bicycles up the steps. This would be an easy thing to add.
Who could we contact to make this request?
-Jonathan
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
-- Let deeds, not words, be your adorning. -'Abdu'l-Baha
“Every time I see an adult on a bicycle I no longer despair for the future of the human race.” -H.G. Wells
Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Well, at least the ramp descends northerly so descending cyclists merging onto the trail will collide with same direction cyclists rather than head-on with on-coming cyclists.
Concerning the steps, with the next to last step practically on the trail, I can also envisage pedestrians walking right into the path of northbound cyclists without looking. Those steps should have been set back with at least a 3-foot landing prior to merging onto the trail.
I wonder if they'll "landscape" the area around the steps & ramp to obscure the sight-line between cyclists on the trail and people descending the stairs and ramp. Currently, there are several trail accesses that are obscured by vegetation. Before long, we're going to have a collision between a cyclist and a pedestrian or between two cyclists at one of these accesses because they didn't see each other.
The worst is the ramp that leads from Terra Cafe parking lot to the trail in Star City across from the playground. A large tree obscures view, the ramp has a significant downward slope (albeit much less that the ramp at Beechview) toward the trail and the playground presents tremendous visual distraction.
Another case is the Seneca Center. The walkway from the Seneca Center to the trail started to be obscured 2 years ago with the planting of trees on either side of the riverside entrance. As that vegetation grows, the collision risk will increase.
In Sabraton, there's a path connecting the parking lot behind Rent-A-Center and Wendy's that is completely hidden by huge dense bushes.
Obscuring the sight-line to the trail with intentionally planted vegetation seems to be common practice. Aren't there any standards? On Sep. 11 just after AutoZone installed their steps and planted their vegetation, I recommended to Ella Belling, Mark Wise and Chris Fletcher the standard/guideline/requirement that anyone on the trail should be able to see from at least 100 feet whether anyone is merging onto the trail from the ramps, steps, etc.. Likewise, anyone on the ramps, steps, etc. should have a clear view of the trail 100 feet in both directions.
Don't the people installing these things ride the rail trail? Is there an engineer in the house?
Frank
On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I've always noticed the ramp. It's been there quite a while.
And cleaned up it will be even more noticeable. Specially when folks are going up and down it. Whee! There, done, end of discussion.
I will say that their site is painful- http://aplaceatthebeech.com/ Misspeelings, incorrect usages and then just some things that are fabricated "practically next door to the PRT!" well I guess technically they are, except you CAN'T get on the PRT there! Oh well. Also rather obvious that the folks aren't from around here. Exploit the land, town and students! Yay!
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
Exactly. I didn't even notice that side path until I came back for the event, I saw you coming on your way to take a photo, but didn't have time to mention it to you. However, I happened to be looking for it because of the previous conversation. It is angled in such a way that it isn't obvious to a bicyclist coming down the trail that it is even there, also the mud on it doesn't help out .. it is quite sketchy. Because I didn't know the path was there, when I saw work being done on the steps, I thought a ramp along the steps would be an appropriate solution.
Ella, is correct this ramp needs to be repaved, and it needs to be made more obvious to travelers coming down the rail trail.
-Jonathan
On 03/19/2013 07:36 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
So perhaps I'm missing something. And if so then please do enlighten me.
Have many of you ridden/stopped by these steps? There are five or so steps, depending on how you count them. Difference between rail trail and top is probably less than I originally imagine, like 4-5 ft.
The entrance to the already existing ramp (that pretty much goes to the top of the steps) is probably 5-6 yards away from the bottom of the steps.
So who is suggesting that the developer, or whomever, needs to put a side path beside the steps so students can walk their bikes up? Instead of just riding up the ramp that is already there. Is this what we, the Bike Board, want to use whatever clout or influence we have for? I for one do not think so. I'm not sure that you want to know what I think of this...
Attached find some photos of the steps and ramp.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Ella Belling ella@montrails.org wrote:
Hope to talk to Trevor once he is back in the office. I know of the "paved" ramp which is to be cleaned up and repaved once the weather accommodates. We have also asked for culverts at this site because this "sketchy" access is blocking water at our ditch lines.
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Derek Springston dspringston@gmail.com wrote:
331 Beechurst Avenue.
Thanks Derek. A street address always works well and/or best. (make me click on a website link...) :) Didn't/don't they have a little paved ramp down to the rail trail, albeit probably "unsanctioned" and a bit sketchy? They have steps there. It's like a 7 foot difference isn't it? Or perhaps they're doing something different now. I will look at it and report back later in this fine and blustery day.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
On the way down to BOPARC to pick up tags for the valet service tonight, I observed workers in the process of finishing the cement for steps going down to the rail trail at the new Beech View Place development (I believe that is the correct name).
Care to enlighten me/us as to just where this is? I just tried The Google and didn't come up w/ anything.
This is a perfect opportunity to request that ramp(s) be placed on the side of these new steps so that bicyclists can easily push their bicycles up/down, rather than having to carry their bicycles up the steps. This would be an easy thing to add.
Who could we contact to make this request?
-Jonathan
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
-- Let deeds, not words, be your adorning. -'Abdu'l-Baha
“Every time I see an adult on a bicycle I no longer despair for the future of the human race.” -H.G. Wells
Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
I wonder if they could be asked to create bike-friendly stairs to encourage dismounting rather than zooming onto the trail, such as depicted in the attached, with an alternate ramp for wheelchair/stroller access that is ADA compliant? Christiaan
________________________________ From: Frank Gmeindl fgmeindl@gmail.com To: Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com Cc: Ella Belling ella@montrails.org; bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Beech View Place opportunity - sidewalk ramp
Well, at least the ramp descends northerly so descending cyclists merging onto the trail will collide with same direction cyclists rather than head-on with on-coming cyclists.
Concerning the steps, with the next to last step practically on the trail, I can also envisage pedestrians walking right into the path of northbound cyclists without looking. Those steps should have been set back with at least a 3-foot landing prior to merging onto the trail.
I wonder if they'll "landscape" the area around the steps & ramp to obscure the sight-line between cyclists on the trail and people descending the stairs and ramp. Currently, there are several trail accesses that are obscured by vegetation. Before long, we're going to have a collision between a cyclist and a pedestrian or between two cyclists at one of these accesses because they didn't see each other.
The worst is the ramp that leads from Terra Cafe parking lot to the trail in Star City across from the playground. A large tree obscures view, the ramp has a significant downward slope (albeit much less that the ramp at Beechview) toward the trail and the playground presents tremendous visual distraction.
Another case is the Seneca Center. The walkway from the Seneca Center to the trail started to be obscured 2 years ago with the planting of trees on either side of the riverside entrance. As that vegetation grows, the collision risk will increase.
In Sabraton, there's a path connecting the parking lot behind Rent-A-Center and Wendy's that is completely hidden by huge dense bushes.
Obscuring the sight-line to the trail with intentionally planted vegetation seems to be common practice. Aren't there any standards? On Sep. 11 just after AutoZone installed their steps and planted their vegetation, I recommended to Ella Belling, Mark Wise and Chris Fletcher the standard/guideline/requirement that anyone on the trail should be able to see from at least 100 feet whether anyone is merging onto the trail from the ramps, steps, etc.. Likewise, anyone on the ramps, steps, etc. should have a clear view of the trail 100 feet in both directions.
Don't the people installing these things ride the rail trail? Is there an engineer in the house?
Frank
On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I've always noticed the ramp. It's been there quite a while.
And cleaned up it will be even more noticeable. Specially when folks are going up and down it. Whee! There, done, end of discussion.
I will say that their site is painful- http://aplaceatthebeech.com/ Misspeelings, incorrect usages and then just some things that are fabricated "practically next door to the PRT!" well I guess technically they are, except you CAN'T get on the PRT there! Oh well. Also rather obvious that the folks aren't from around here. Exploit the land, town and students! Yay!
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
Exactly. I didn't even notice that side path until I came back for the event, I saw you coming on your way to take a photo, but didn't have time to mention it to you. However, I happened to be looking for it because of the previous conversation. It is angled in such a way that it isn't obvious to a bicyclist coming down the trail that it is even there, also the mud on it doesn't help out .. it is quite sketchy. Because I didn't know the path was there, when I saw work being done on the steps, I thought a ramp along the steps would be an appropriate solution.
Ella, is correct this ramp needs to be repaved, and it needs to be made more obvious to travelers coming down the rail trail.
-Jonathan
On 03/19/2013 07:36 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
So perhaps I'm missing something. And if so then please do enlighten me.
Have many of you ridden/stopped by these steps? There are five or so steps, depending on how you count them. Difference between rail trail and top is probably less than I originally imagine, like 4-5 ft.
The entrance to the already existing ramp (that pretty much goes to the top of the steps) is probably 5-6 yards away from the bottom of the steps.
So who is suggesting that the developer, or whomever, needs to put a side path beside the steps so students can walk their bikes up? Instead of just riding up the ramp that is already there. Is this what we, the Bike Board, want to use whatever clout or influence we have for? I for one do not think so. I'm not sure that you want to know what I think of this...
Attached find some photos of the steps and ramp.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Ella Belling ella@montrails.org wrote:
Hope to talk to Trevor once he is back in the office. I know of the "paved" ramp which is to be cleaned up and repaved once the weather accommodates. We have also asked for culverts at this site because this "sketchy" access is blocking water at our ditch lines.
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Derek Springston dspringston@gmail.com wrote:
331 Beechurst Avenue.
Thanks Derek. A street address always works well and/or best. (make me click on a website link...) :) Didn't/don't they have a little paved ramp down to the rail trail, albeit probably "unsanctioned" and a bit sketchy? They have steps there. It's like a 7 foot difference isn't it? Or perhaps they're doing something different now. I will look at it and report back later in this fine and blustery day.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
On the way down to BOPARC to pick up tags for the valet service tonight, I observed workers in the process of finishing the cement for steps going down to the rail trail at the new Beech View Place development (I believe that is the correct name).
Care to enlighten me/us as to just where this is? I just tried The Google and didn't come up w/ anything.
This is a perfect opportunity to request that ramp(s) be placed on the side of these new steps so that bicyclists can easily push their bicycles up/down, rather than having to carry their bicycles up the steps. This would be an easy thing to add.
Who could we contact to make this request?
-Jonathan
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On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Christiaan Abildso cabildso@yahoo.com wrote:
I wonder if they could be asked to create bike-friendly stairs to encourage dismounting rather than zooming onto the trail, such as depicted in the attached, with an alternate ramp for wheelchair/stroller access that is ADA compliant?
This again?! Isn't this what Jonathan suggested? There are five steps! And in order to have the area to get off the bike while not impeding traffic on the trail you would have to set the steps back in there further. Redoing what has already been done. Did you look at the photos I took of this area, or read the original post?
I like that ramp. I was impressed that they even considered making one (though it seemed like it was made as an afterthought when they had some extra macadam, but hey, it got done...
Christiaan From: Frank Gmeindl fgmeindl@gmail.com To: Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com Cc: Ella Belling ella@montrails.org; bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Beech View Place opportunity - sidewalk ramp
Well, at least the ramp descends northerly so descending cyclists merging onto the trail will collide with same direction cyclists rather than head-on with on-coming cyclists.
Concerning the steps, with the next to last step practically on the trail, I can also envisage pedestrians walking right into the path of northbound cyclists without looking. Those steps should have been set back with at least a 3-foot landing prior to merging onto the trail.
I wonder if they'll "landscape" the area around the steps & ramp to obscure the sight-line between cyclists on the trail and people descending the stairs and ramp. Currently, there are several trail accesses that are obscured by vegetation. Before long, we're going to have a collision between a cyclist and a pedestrian or between two cyclists at one of these accesses because they didn't see each other.
The worst is the ramp that leads from Terra Cafe parking lot to the trail in Star City across from the playground. A large tree obscures view, the ramp has a significant downward slope (albeit much less that the ramp at Beechview) toward the trail and the playground presents tremendous visual distraction.
Another case is the Seneca Center. The walkway from the Seneca Center to the trail started to be obscured 2 years ago with the planting of trees on either side of the riverside entrance. As that vegetation grows, the collision risk will increase.
In Sabraton, there's a path connecting the parking lot behind Rent-A-Center and Wendy's that is completely hidden by huge dense bushes.
Obscuring the sight-line to the trail with intentionally planted vegetation seems to be common practice. Aren't there any standards? On Sep. 11 just after AutoZone installed their steps and planted their vegetation, I recommended to Ella Belling, Mark Wise and Chris Fletcher the standard/guideline/requirement that anyone on the trail should be able to see from at least 100 feet whether anyone is merging onto the trail from the ramps, steps, etc.. Likewise, anyone on the ramps, steps, etc. should have a clear view of the trail 100 feet in both directions.
Don't the people installing these things ride the rail trail? Is there an engineer in the house?
Frank
On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I've always noticed the ramp. It's been there quite a while.
And cleaned up it will be even more noticeable. Specially when folks are going up and down it. Whee! There, done, end of discussion.
I will say that their site is painful- http://aplaceatthebeech.com/ Misspeelings, incorrect usages and then just some things that are fabricated "practically next door to the PRT!" well I guess technically they are, except you CAN'T get on the PRT there! Oh well. Also rather obvious that the folks aren't from around here. Exploit the land, town and students! Yay!
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
Exactly. I didn't even notice that side path until I came back for the event, I saw you coming on your way to take a photo, but didn't have time to mention it to you. However, I happened to be looking for it because of the previous conversation. It is angled in such a way that it isn't obvious to a bicyclist coming down the trail that it is even there, also the mud on it doesn't help out .. it is quite sketchy. Because I didn't know the path was there, when I saw work being done on the steps, I thought a ramp along the steps would be an appropriate solution.
Ella, is correct this ramp needs to be repaved, and it needs to be made more obvious to travelers coming down the rail trail.
-Jonathan
On 03/19/2013 07:36 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
So perhaps I'm missing something. And if so then please do enlighten me.
Have many of you ridden/stopped by these steps? There are five or so steps, depending on how you count them. Difference between rail trail and top is probably less than I originally imagine, like 4-5 ft.
The entrance to the already existing ramp (that pretty much goes to the top of the steps) is probably 5-6 yards away from the bottom of the steps.
So who is suggesting that the developer, or whomever, needs to put a side path beside the steps so students can walk their bikes up? Instead of just riding up the ramp that is already there. Is this what we, the Bike Board, want to use whatever clout or influence we have for? I for one do not think so. I'm not sure that you want to know what I think of this...
Attached find some photos of the steps and ramp.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Ella Belling ella@montrails.org wrote:
Hope to talk to Trevor once he is back in the office. I know of the "paved" ramp which is to be cleaned up and repaved once the weather accommodates. We have also asked for culverts at this site because this "sketchy" access is blocking water at our ditch lines.
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Derek Springston dspringston@gmail.com wrote:
331 Beechurst Avenue.
Thanks Derek. A street address always works well and/or best. (make me click on a website link...) :) Didn't/don't they have a little paved ramp down to the rail trail, albeit probably "unsanctioned" and a bit sketchy? They have steps there. It's like a 7 foot difference isn't it? Or perhaps they're doing something different now. I will look at it and report back later in this fine and blustery day.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
On the way down to BOPARC to pick up tags for the valet service tonight, I observed workers in the process of finishing the cement for steps going down to the rail trail at the new Beech View Place development (I believe that is the correct name).
Care to enlighten me/us as to just where this is? I just tried The Google and didn't come up w/ anything.
This is a perfect opportunity to request that ramp(s) be placed on the side of these new steps so that bicyclists can easily push their bicycles up/down, rather than having to carry their bicycles up the steps. This would be an easy thing to add.
Who could we contact to make this request?
-Jonathan
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
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Wonder, wonder, wonder...
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Frank Gmeindl fgmeindl@gmail.com wrote:
Well, at least the ramp descends northerly so descending cyclists merging onto the trail will collide with same direction cyclists rather than head-on with on-coming cyclists.
I'm gonna say that it happened on virtue of that direction was easiest to make while still staying on their property and not dealing w/ the steeper side. Often times it's better to be lucky than good. One could also probably argue that having the ramp going the other way is preferable because of better sight lines and more speed "for gettin' up that hill", there fore "that's the best way to do it!".
Concerning the steps, with the next to last step practically on the trail, I can also envisage pedestrians walking right into the path of northbound cyclists without looking. Those steps should have been set back with at least a 3-foot landing prior to merging onto the trail.
I wonder if they'll "landscape" the area around the steps & ramp to obscure the sight-line between cyclists on the trail and people descending the stairs and ramp. Currently, there are several trail accesses that are obscured by vegetation. Before long, we're going to have a collision between a cyclist and a pedestrian or between two cyclists at one of these accesses because they didn't see each other.
The worst is the ramp that leads from Terra Cafe parking lot to the trail in Star City across from the playground. A large tree obscures view, the ramp has a significant downward slope (albeit much less that the ramp at Beechview) toward the trail and the playground presents tremendous visual distraction.
Another case is the Seneca Center. The walkway from the Seneca Center to the trail started to be obscured 2 years ago with the planting of trees on either side of the riverside entrance. As that vegetation grows, the collision risk will increase.
In Sabraton, there's a path connecting the parking lot behind Rent-A-Center and Wendy's that is completely hidden by huge dense bushes.
Obscuring the sight-line to the trail with intentionally planted vegetation seems to be common practice. Aren't there any standards? On Sep. 11 just after AutoZone installed their steps and planted their vegetation, I recommended to Ella Belling, Mark Wise and Chris Fletcher the standard/guideline/requirement that anyone on the trail should be able to see from at least 100 feet whether anyone is merging onto the trail from the ramps, steps, etc.. Likewise, anyone on the ramps, steps, etc. should have a clear view of the trail 100 feet in both directions.
Folks just make up standards when they don't find any around don't they?
Don't the people installing these things ride the rail trail? Is there an engineer in the house?
They may use them but that doesn't necessarily mean that they think about things when they're on them. #blankminds And just as in any profession there are good, bad and ugly ones. Or thinking beyond their comfortable field of "expertise" just doesn't happen. Who else drives a train around here?
Frank
On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I've always noticed the ramp. It's been there quite a while.
And cleaned up it will be even more noticeable. Specially when folks are going up and down it. Whee! There, done, end of discussion.
I will say that their site is painful- http://aplaceatthebeech.com/ Misspeelings, incorrect usages and then just some things that are fabricated "practically next door to the PRT!" well I guess technically they are, except you CAN'T get on the PRT there! Oh well. Also rather obvious that the folks aren't from around here. Exploit the land, town and students! Yay!
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
Exactly. I didn't even notice that side path until I came back for the event, I saw you coming on your way to take a photo, but didn't have time to mention it to you. However, I happened to be looking for it because of the previous conversation. It is angled in such a way that it isn't obvious to a bicyclist coming down the trail that it is even there, also the mud on it doesn't help out .. it is quite sketchy. Because I didn't know the path was there, when I saw work being done on the steps, I thought a ramp along the steps would be an appropriate solution.
Ella, is correct this ramp needs to be repaved, and it needs to be made more obvious to travelers coming down the rail trail.
-Jonathan
On 03/19/2013 07:36 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
So perhaps I'm missing something. And if so then please do enlighten me.
Have many of you ridden/stopped by these steps? There are five or so steps, depending on how you count them. Difference between rail trail and top is probably less than I originally imagine, like 4-5 ft.
The entrance to the already existing ramp (that pretty much goes to the top of the steps) is probably 5-6 yards away from the bottom of the steps.
So who is suggesting that the developer, or whomever, needs to put a side path beside the steps so students can walk their bikes up? Instead of just riding up the ramp that is already there. Is this what we, the Bike Board, want to use whatever clout or influence we have for? I for one do not think so. I'm not sure that you want to know what I think of this...
Attached find some photos of the steps and ramp.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Ella Belling ella@montrails.org wrote:
Hope to talk to Trevor once he is back in the office. I know of the "paved" ramp which is to be cleaned up and repaved once the weather accommodates. We have also asked for culverts at this site because this "sketchy" access is blocking water at our ditch lines.
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Derek Springston dspringston@gmail.com wrote:
331 Beechurst Avenue.
Thanks Derek. A street address always works well and/or best. (make me click on a website link...) :) Didn't/don't they have a little paved ramp down to the rail trail, albeit probably "unsanctioned" and a bit sketchy? They have steps there. It's like a 7 foot difference isn't it? Or perhaps they're doing something different now. I will look at it and report back later in this fine and blustery day.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
On the way down to BOPARC to pick up tags for the valet service tonight, I observed workers in the process of finishing the cement for steps going down to the rail trail at the new Beech View Place development (I believe that is the correct name).
Care to enlighten me/us as to just where this is? I just tried The Google and didn't come up w/ anything.
This is a perfect opportunity to request that ramp(s) be placed on the side of these new steps so that bicyclists can easily push their bicycles up/down, rather than having to carry their bicycles up the steps. This would be an easy thing to add.
Who could we contact to make this request?
-Jonathan
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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“Every time I see an adult on a bicycle I no longer despair for the future of the human race.” -H.G. Wells
Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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All:
Great conversation. Engineering, Chris Fletcher, Urban landscape commission, boparc, mrtc Ella and yourselves would be a good start for solutions ( rules, creative solutions and enforcement) to keeping the sight lines open.
Jenny Selin Cell 304-685-6569
On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:29 PM, "Frank Gmeindl" fgmeindl@gmail.com wrote:
Well, at least the ramp descends northerly so descending cyclists merging onto the trail will collide with same direction cyclists rather than head-on with on-coming cyclists.
Concerning the steps, with the next to last step practically on the trail, I can also envisage pedestrians walking right into the path of northbound cyclists without looking. Those steps should have been set back with at least a 3-foot landing prior to merging onto the trail.
I wonder if they'll "landscape" the area around the steps & ramp to obscure the sight-line between cyclists on the trail and people descending the stairs and ramp. Currently, there are several trail accesses that are obscured by vegetation. Before long, we're going to have a collision between a cyclist and a pedestrian or between two cyclists at one of these accesses because they didn't see each other.
The worst is the ramp that leads from Terra Cafe parking lot to the trail in Star City across from the playground. A large tree obscures view, the ramp has a significant downward slope (albeit much less that the ramp at Beechview) toward the trail and the playground presents tremendous visual distraction.
Another case is the Seneca Center. The walkway from the Seneca Center to the trail started to be obscured 2 years ago with the planting of trees on either side of the riverside entrance. As that vegetation grows, the collision risk will increase.
In Sabraton, there's a path connecting the parking lot behind Rent-A-Center and Wendy's that is completely hidden by huge dense bushes.
Obscuring the sight-line to the trail with intentionally planted vegetation seems to be common practice. Aren't there any standards? On Sep. 11 just after AutoZone installed their steps and planted their vegetation, I recommended to Ella Belling, Mark Wise and Chris Fletcher the standard/guideline/requirement that anyone on the trail should be able to see from at least 100 feet whether anyone is merging onto the trail from the ramps, steps, etc.. Likewise, anyone on the ramps, steps, etc. should have a clear view of the trail 100 feet in both directions.
Don't the people installing these things ride the rail trail? Is there an engineer in the house?
Frank
On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I've always noticed the ramp. It's been there quite a while.
And cleaned up it will be even more noticeable. Specially when folks are going up and down it. Whee! There, done, end of discussion.
I will say that their site is painful- http://aplaceatthebeech.com/ Misspeelings, incorrect usages and then just some things that are fabricated "practically next door to the PRT!" well I guess technically they are, except you CAN'T get on the PRT there! Oh well. Also rather obvious that the folks aren't from around here. Exploit the land, town and students! Yay!
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
Exactly. I didn't even notice that side path until I came back for the event, I saw you coming on your way to take a photo, but didn't have time to mention it to you. However, I happened to be looking for it because of the previous conversation. It is angled in such a way that it isn't obvious to a bicyclist coming down the trail that it is even there, also the mud on it doesn't help out .. it is quite sketchy. Because I didn't know the path was there, when I saw work being done on the steps, I thought a ramp along the steps would be an appropriate solution.
Ella, is correct this ramp needs to be repaved, and it needs to be made more obvious to travelers coming down the rail trail.
-Jonathan
On 03/19/2013 07:36 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
So perhaps I'm missing something. And if so then please do enlighten me.
Have many of you ridden/stopped by these steps? There are five or so steps, depending on how you count them. Difference between rail trail and top is probably less than I originally imagine, like 4-5 ft.
The entrance to the already existing ramp (that pretty much goes to the top of the steps) is probably 5-6 yards away from the bottom of the steps.
So who is suggesting that the developer, or whomever, needs to put a side path beside the steps so students can walk their bikes up? Instead of just riding up the ramp that is already there. Is this what we, the Bike Board, want to use whatever clout or influence we have for? I for one do not think so. I'm not sure that you want to know what I think of this...
Attached find some photos of the steps and ramp.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Ella Belling ella@montrails.org wrote:
Hope to talk to Trevor once he is back in the office. I know of the "paved" ramp which is to be cleaned up and repaved once the weather accommodates. We have also asked for culverts at this site because this "sketchy" access is blocking water at our ditch lines.
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Derek Springston dspringston@gmail.com wrote:
331 Beechurst Avenue.
Thanks Derek. A street address always works well and/or best. (make me click on a website link...) :) Didn't/don't they have a little paved ramp down to the rail trail, albeit probably "unsanctioned" and a bit sketchy? They have steps there. It's like a 7 foot difference isn't it? Or perhaps they're doing something different now. I will look at it and report back later in this fine and blustery day.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote:
On the way down to BOPARC to pick up tags for the valet service tonight, I observed workers in the process of finishing the cement for steps going down to the rail trail at the new Beech View Place development (I believe that is the correct name).
Care to enlighten me/us as to just where this is? I just tried The Google and didn't come up w/ anything.
This is a perfect opportunity to request that ramp(s) be placed on the side of these new steps so that bicyclists can easily push their bicycles up/down, rather than having to carry their bicycles up the steps. This would be an easy thing to add.
Who could we contact to make this request?
-Jonathan
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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“Every time I see an adult on a bicycle I no longer despair for the future of the human race.” -H.G. Wells
Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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