---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:11:10 -0500
Frank er al,
Here is a site that has some info on locker rates, even though it's from 2000. It looks like they are in the $75-85/year, not counting key deposit. Some other good info on city bike parking ordinances as well.
http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm
Chip
Parking Committee Members,
As we discussed at this morning's meeting, we are going to do a survey to determine who would use bike lockers, how much they would be willing to pay and where we should put them. If you have additional ideas on what we should try to learn with the survey or how we should construct the survey, please reply-all with them.
Thanks to all of you that turned out in these challenging conditions!
Frank _______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Chip - Great article on the bike parking!
I am sorry that I had to leave the meeting before the decisions were reached, but I did get to make a motion that we consider groups of 4 lockers for a corner in each of the city garages. I mentioned the Pubic Safety Garage and would also now like to include the University Ave garage as well as a priority and then the Wharf garage as a second priority. The reason for my thinking is that I think that we have to give priority to the goal of increasing commuter cycling rather than to adding convenience for recreational cycling. Both are important, but for us, I believe the commuter cycling has to be our prime focus.
The article that you sent talks about the use of lockers for day long and overnight parking, and this it what I think we should also aim for in the use of the lockers so that people working at businesses, teaching or assisting in classes, working at libraries or offices will have a place they can ride to.
I am not comfortable with the plan for a survey because I question who is going to learn about the survey. It might be just a limited group of computer users who would find out about the survey and actually follow up on the information. I am also very fearful that the committee could be accused of spot locating lockers because of individual responses. As a public entity, we cannot be "special ordering" lockers for individuals. Our planning needs to be systematic - based on systems thinking which locates lockers based on principles - such as proximity to destinations, security, weather sheltering, critical mass, population density, etc.
From the discussion, I suggest that we ask for $15,000 for bicycle parking
lockers to enable the installation of 4 lockers at each of the 3 main garages. If the costs of the lockers and freight exceed the $15K amount, then I suggest that we ask Tom Arnold to assume responsibility for the remaining costs from anticipated revenues. I also recommend that we inform WVU (through Hugh) of what we are doing and hope that WVU might do the same thing in their two main garages. (Perhaps they will want to do more at the Engineering and the Law School areas as well). Perhaps the lockers at all sites could use a common blue color so that there could be more ready identification of the locker infrastructure by cyclists and the public.
Anyway, there are just my reactions to the discussion and the article. I look forward to our next meeting and any additional data that you come up with. Has a date been set for the next Parking Meeting?
By the way, my input on suggested costs, after looking at the article, would be 10 per month, 55 for six months and 100 per year.
Don
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From: Chip Wamsley [mailto:chip@wamsleycycles.com] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:36 AM To: Don Spencer; chip wamsley; Hugh.Kierig@mail.wvu.edu; Gunnar Shogren; Jonathan Rosenbaum; Alice Vernon; Frank Gmeindl Cc: Bicycle Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Survey
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:11:10 -0500
Frank er al,
Here is a site that has some info on locker rates, even though it's from 2000. It looks like they are in the $75-85/year, not counting key deposit. Some other good info on city bike parking ordinances as well.
http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm
Chip
Parking Committee Members,
As we discussed at this morning's meeting, we are going to do a survey to
determine who would use bike lockers, how much they would be willing to pay and where we should put them. If you have additional ideas on what we should try to learn with the survey or how we should construct the survey, please reply-all with them.
Thanks to all of you that turned out in these challenging conditions!
Frank _______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
_____
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Per my action item at today's Parking and Budget Comm. meeting-
Here's info on Survey Monkey, cost and details- Per month http://www.surveymonkey.com/pricing/details?t=c2&select=monthly Per year http://www.surveymonkey.com/pricing/details?t=c2annual&select=annual
Big thing w/ the Basic (free) service is that it only allows 10 questions per survey and 100 responses.
They do offer a 25% discount for non-profit agencies and such.
Found a little comparison of three different survey companies, but unfortunately I can only view it through the cached results of google- http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TdLUhKgL09sJ:www.thebal... Here's where it's supposed to be though- http://www.thebalcomgroup.com/node/139
Looks like Survey Gizmo might be one to look at as they allow unlimited questions at the basic level and more responses as well. http://www.surveygizmo.com/
Basic might be enough w/ them.
I don't know enough about surveys in general to make any other decisions.
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Don Spencer dspencer36@comcast.net wrote:
Chip – Great article on the bike parking!
I am sorry that I had to leave the meeting before the decisions were reached, but I did get to make a motion that we consider groups of 4 lockers for a corner in each of the city garages. I mentioned the Pubic Safety Garage and would also now like to include the University Ave garage as well as a priority and then the Wharf garage as a second priority. The reason for my thinking is that I think that we have to give priority to the goal of increasing commuter cycling rather than to adding convenience for recreational cycling. Both are important, but for us, I believe the commuter cycling has to be our prime focus.
The article that you sent talks about the use of lockers for day long and overnight parking, and this it what I think we should also aim for in the use of the lockers so that people working at businesses, teaching or assisting in classes, working at libraries or offices will have a place they can ride to.
I am not comfortable with the plan for a survey because I question who is going to learn about the survey. It might be just a limited group of computer users who would find out about the survey and actually follow up on the information. I am also very fearful that the committee could be accused of spot locating lockers because of individual responses. As a public entity, we cannot be “special ordering” lockers for individuals. Our planning needs to be systematic – based on systems thinking which locates lockers based on principles – such as proximity to destinations, security, weather sheltering, critical mass, population density, etc.
From the discussion, I suggest that we ask for $15,000 for bicycle parking lockers to enable the installation of 4 lockers at each of the 3 main garages. If the costs of the lockers and freight exceed the $15K amount, then I suggest that we ask Tom Arnold to assume responsibility for the remaining costs from anticipated revenues. I also recommend that we inform WVU (through Hugh) of what we are doing and hope that WVU might do the same thing in their two main garages. (Perhaps they will want to do more at the Engineering and the Law School areas as well). Perhaps the lockers at all sites could use a common blue color so that there could be more ready identification of the locker infrastructure by cyclists and the public.
Anyway, there are just my reactions to the discussion and the article. I look forward to our next meeting and any additional data that you come up with. Has a date been set for the next Parking Meeting?
By the way, my input on suggested costs, after looking at the article, would be 10 per month, 55 for six months and 100 per year.
Don
From: Chip Wamsley [mailto:chip@wamsleycycles.com] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:36 AM To: Don Spencer; chip wamsley; Hugh.Kierig@mail.wvu.edu; Gunnar Shogren; Jonathan Rosenbaum; Alice Vernon; Frank Gmeindl Cc: Bicycle Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Survey
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:11:10 -0500
Frank er al,
Here is a site that has some info on locker rates, even though it's from 2000. It looks like they are in the $75-85/year, not counting key deposit. Some other good info on city bike parking ordinances as well.
http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm
Chip
Parking Committee Members,
As we discussed at this morning's meeting, we are going to do a survey to determine who would use bike lockers, how much they would be willing to pay and where we should put them. If you have additional ideas on what we should try to learn with the survey or how we should construct the survey, please reply-all with them.
Thanks to all of you that turned out in these challenging conditions!
Frank _______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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Haven't used it, but it appears that you can create a survey using Google Docs and it automatically populates a spreadsheet with the results.
http://www.workhappy.net/2009/05/using-google-docs-to-make-a-survey.html
http://www.workhappy.net/2009/05/using-google-docs-to-make-a-survey.html
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
Per my action item at today's Parking and Budget Comm. meeting-
Here's info on Survey Monkey, cost and details- Per month http://www.surveymonkey.com/pricing/details?t=c2&select=monthly Per year http://www.surveymonkey.com/pricing/details?t=c2annual&select=annual
Big thing w/ the Basic (free) service is that it only allows 10 questions per survey and 100 responses.
They do offer a 25% discount for non-profit agencies and such.
Found a little comparison of three different survey companies, but unfortunately I can only view it through the cached results of google-
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TdLUhKgL09sJ:www.thebal... Here's where it's supposed to be though- http://www.thebalcomgroup.com/node/139
Looks like Survey Gizmo might be one to look at as they allow unlimited questions at the basic level and more responses as well. http://www.surveygizmo.com/
Basic might be enough w/ them.
I don't know enough about surveys in general to make any other decisions.
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Don Spencer dspencer36@comcast.net wrote:
Chip – Great article on the bike parking!
I am sorry that I had to leave the meeting before the decisions were reached, but I did get to make a motion that we consider groups of 4
lockers
for a corner in each of the city garages. I mentioned the Pubic Safety Garage and would also now like to include the University Ave garage as
well
as a priority and then the Wharf garage as a second priority. The reason
for
my thinking is that I think that we have to give priority to the goal of increasing commuter cycling rather than to adding convenience for recreational cycling. Both are important, but for us, I believe the
commuter
cycling has to be our prime focus.
The article that you sent talks about the use of lockers for day long and overnight parking, and this it what I think we should also aim for in the use of the lockers so that people working at businesses, teaching or assisting in classes, working at libraries or offices will have a place
they
can ride to.
I am not comfortable with the plan for a survey because I question who is going to learn about the survey. It might be just a limited group of computer users who would find out about the survey and actually follow up
on
the information. I am also very fearful that the committee could be
accused
of spot locating lockers because of individual responses. As a public entity, we cannot be “special ordering” lockers for individuals. Our planning needs to be systematic – based on systems thinking which locates lockers based on principles – such as proximity to destinations,
security,
weather sheltering, critical mass, population density, etc.
From the discussion, I suggest that we ask for $15,000 for bicycle
parking
lockers to enable the installation of 4 lockers at each of the 3 main garages. If the costs of the lockers and freight exceed the $15K amount, then I suggest that we ask Tom Arnold to assume responsibility for the remaining costs from anticipated revenues. I also recommend that we
inform
WVU (through Hugh) of what we are doing and hope that WVU might do the
same
thing in their two main garages. (Perhaps they will want to do more at
the
Engineering and the Law School areas as well). Perhaps the lockers at all sites could use a common blue color so that there could be more ready identification of the locker infrastructure by cyclists and the public.
Anyway, there are just my reactions to the discussion and the article. I look forward to our next meeting and any additional data that you come up with. Has a date been set for the next Parking Meeting?
By the way, my input on suggested costs, after looking at the article,
would
be 10 per month, 55 for six months and 100 per year.
Don
From: Chip Wamsley [mailto:chip@wamsleycycles.com] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:36 AM To: Don Spencer; chip wamsley; Hugh.Kierig@mail.wvu.edu; Gunnar Shogren; Jonathan Rosenbaum; Alice Vernon; Frank Gmeindl Cc: Bicycle Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Survey
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:11:10 -0500
Frank er al,
Here is a site that has some info on locker rates, even though it's from 2000. It looks like they are in the $75-85/year, not counting key
deposit.
Some other good info on city bike parking ordinances as well.
http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm
Chip
Parking Committee Members,
As we discussed at this morning's meeting, we are going to do a survey to determine who would use bike lockers, how much they would be willing to
pay
and where we should put them. If you have additional ideas on what we should try to learn with the survey or how we should construct the
survey,
please reply-all with them.
Thanks to all of you that turned out in these challenging conditions!
Frank _______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Chet Parsons chetparsons@gmail.com wrote:
Haven't used it, but it appears that you can create a survey using Google Docs and it automatically populates a spreadsheet with the results. http://www.workhappy.net/2009/05/using-google-docs-to-make-a-survey.html
Dang yo. That is pretty damn slick. No bad comments on that person's page, and the fact that you can embed it, goes right into a spreadsheet, blah, blah, blah... is this a winner? If not a winner then certainly something that we could try ourselves w/o bunging things up in public.
Let's get some questions generated and try it out!
I gotta shovel some now though...
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
Per my action item at today's Parking and Budget Comm. meeting-
Here's info on Survey Monkey, cost and details- Per month http://www.surveymonkey.com/pricing/details?t=c2&select=monthly Per year http://www.surveymonkey.com/pricing/details?t=c2annual&select=annual
Big thing w/ the Basic (free) service is that it only allows 10 questions per survey and 100 responses.
They do offer a 25% discount for non-profit agencies and such.
Found a little comparison of three different survey companies, but unfortunately I can only view it through the cached results of google-
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TdLUhKgL09sJ:www.thebal... Here's where it's supposed to be though- http://www.thebalcomgroup.com/node/139
Looks like Survey Gizmo might be one to look at as they allow unlimited questions at the basic level and more responses as well. http://www.surveygizmo.com/
Basic might be enough w/ them.
I don't know enough about surveys in general to make any other decisions.
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Don Spencer dspencer36@comcast.net wrote:
Chip – Great article on the bike parking!
I am sorry that I had to leave the meeting before the decisions were reached, but I did get to make a motion that we consider groups of 4 lockers for a corner in each of the city garages. I mentioned the Pubic Safety Garage and would also now like to include the University Ave garage as well as a priority and then the Wharf garage as a second priority. The reason for my thinking is that I think that we have to give priority to the goal of increasing commuter cycling rather than to adding convenience for recreational cycling. Both are important, but for us, I believe the commuter cycling has to be our prime focus.
The article that you sent talks about the use of lockers for day long and overnight parking, and this it what I think we should also aim for in the use of the lockers so that people working at businesses, teaching or assisting in classes, working at libraries or offices will have a place they can ride to.
I am not comfortable with the plan for a survey because I question who is going to learn about the survey. It might be just a limited group of computer users who would find out about the survey and actually follow up on the information. I am also very fearful that the committee could be accused of spot locating lockers because of individual responses. As a public entity, we cannot be “special ordering” lockers for individuals. Our planning needs to be systematic – based on systems thinking which locates lockers based on principles – such as proximity to destinations, security, weather sheltering, critical mass, population density, etc.
From the discussion, I suggest that we ask for $15,000 for bicycle parking lockers to enable the installation of 4 lockers at each of the 3 main garages. If the costs of the lockers and freight exceed the $15K amount, then I suggest that we ask Tom Arnold to assume responsibility for the remaining costs from anticipated revenues. I also recommend that we inform WVU (through Hugh) of what we are doing and hope that WVU might do the same thing in their two main garages. (Perhaps they will want to do more at the Engineering and the Law School areas as well). Perhaps the lockers at all sites could use a common blue color so that there could be more ready identification of the locker infrastructure by cyclists and the public.
Anyway, there are just my reactions to the discussion and the article. I look forward to our next meeting and any additional data that you come up with. Has a date been set for the next Parking Meeting?
By the way, my input on suggested costs, after looking at the article, would be 10 per month, 55 for six months and 100 per year.
Don
From: Chip Wamsley [mailto:chip@wamsleycycles.com] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:36 AM To: Don Spencer; chip wamsley; Hugh.Kierig@mail.wvu.edu; Gunnar Shogren; Jonathan Rosenbaum; Alice Vernon; Frank Gmeindl Cc: Bicycle Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Survey
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:11:10 -0500
Frank er al,
Here is a site that has some info on locker rates, even though it's from 2000. It looks like they are in the $75-85/year, not counting key deposit. Some other good info on city bike parking ordinances as well.
http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm
Chip
Parking Committee Members,
As we discussed at this morning's meeting, we are going to do a survey to determine who would use bike lockers, how much they would be willing to pay and where we should put them. If you have additional ideas on what we should try to learn with the survey or how we should construct the survey, please reply-all with them.
Thanks to all of you that turned out in these challenging conditions!
Frank _______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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