Is it just me or did most of you just receive a complete wrath of BB messages? Some about a month old. Were the emails sent *just* to the BB sitting in some obtuse queue or where they circling the globe waiting for a port to be opened?
Whatever it is, I would have to say it's not good, specially considering what most of the discussion was about. Harrumph.
Oh yeah, and Happy Holidays! (Hope you get this before the start of the New Year)
Looks like I got 61 individual emails pertaining to 22 different threads/conversations. The first one from November 28. I started receiving them around 11:06 pm until 12:06 am. Weird, n'est–ce pas?
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
Is it just me or did most of you just receive a complete wrath of BB messages? Some about a month old. Were the emails sent *just* to the BB sitting in some obtuse queue or where they circling the globe waiting for a port to be opened?
Whatever it is, I would have to say it's not good, specially considering what most of the discussion was about. Harrumph.
Oh yeah, and Happy Holidays! (Hope you get this before the start of the New Year)
(Technical explanation) Since early morning November 24, the mailing list has been down. This was due to a global time issue that had killed the email server, when I corrected the time issue several services went down. One of those services was the mailing list. Because it was never was restarted, messages have not been going out since then, instead all new messages have been stored in a spool. This evening, someone from a different mailing list I administer observed that his emails were not being received by the mailing list. Problem is now fixed, and all messages since the 24th have been sent out.
I manage several important mailing lists, so I am beyond amazed and mystified why nobody else observed that their emails were not being posted to their respective mailing lists. As a member of a mailing list, when you send an original message to your list you should always get back your message, with a modification to the subject line. So if your subject is "What the heck?", you would get in your Inbox or folder ..
Subject: [Bikeboard] What the heck?
-Jonathan
On 12/24/2011 1:06 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
Looks like I got 61 individual emails pertaining to 22 different threads/conversations. The first one from November 28. I started receiving them around 11:06 pm until 12:06 am. Weird, n'est–ce pas?
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Gunnar Shogrengshogren@gmail.com wrote:
Is it just me or did most of you just receive a complete wrath of BB messages? Some about a month old. Were the emails sent *just* to the BB sitting in some obtuse queue or where they circling the globe waiting for a port to be opened?
Whatever it is, I would have to say it's not good, specially considering what most of the discussion was about. Harrumph.
Oh yeah, and Happy Holidays! (Hope you get this before the start of the New Year)
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
(Technical explanation) Since early morning November 24, the mailing list has been down. This was due to a global time issue that had killed the email server, when I corrected the time issue several services went down. One of those services was the mailing list. Because it was never was restarted, messages have not been going out since then, instead all new messages have been stored in a spool. This evening, someone from a different mailing list I administer observed that his emails were not being received by the mailing list. Problem is now fixed, and all messages since the 24th have been sent out.
Ah, that doesn't sound very "technical". Do I need to use The Google to see what the real "issue" was? What keywords should I use?
I manage several important mailing lists, so I am beyond amazed and mystified why nobody else observed that their emails were not being posted to their respective mailing lists.
So does this mean that the BB list isn't one of the "important" ones, or that all the lists, important or otherwise didn't get restarted?
And you also didn't realize it either, whether or not you sent something, correct?
Frank often emails the BB along w/ others. When he gets emails from the "others" but not the BB he probably just figures that "yet-again" the BB isn't responding to his emails and such. So he continues doing his job. Chug, chug, chug...
As a member of a mailing list, when you send an original message to your list you should always get back your message, with a modification to the subject line. So if your subject is "What the heck?", you would get in your Inbox or folder ..
Not a true blanket-statement. Using g(unnar)mail, if I sent out an email to the list- 1) I don't get another copy of it. 2) If someone responds (as you just did), the subject does NOT get modified. My thread/conversation stays the same. No biggie, since I don't use the [Bikeboard] as the filter, rather I use the email addy, so my filter still labels it as such.
Subject: [Bikeboard] What the heck?
Nope.
-Jonathan
On 12/24/2011 1:06 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
Looks like I got 61 individual emails pertaining to 22 different threads/conversations. The first one from November 28. I started receiving them around 11:06 pm until 12:06 am. Weird, n'est–ce pas?
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
Is it just me or did most of you just receive a complete wrath of BB messages? Some about a month old. Were the emails sent *just* to the BB sitting in some obtuse queue or where they circling the globe waiting for a port to be opened?
Whatever it is, I would have to say it's not good, specially considering what most of the discussion was about. Harrumph.
Oh yeah, and Happy Holidays! (Hope you get this before the start of the New Year)
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Actually I will take back the bit about the subject not changing.
If I look at the headers and all that, I do see that the subject is changed, but the subject on the conversation/thread does not, it still reads as I sent it out originally. So depending on what or where you view your email, your mileage may vary. Be careful, slow down! Eat less, drink more! Be Merry.
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:46 AM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
(Technical explanation) Since early morning November 24, the mailing list has been down. This was due to a global time issue that had killed the email server, when I corrected the time issue several services went down. One of those services was the mailing list. Because it was never was restarted, messages have not been going out since then, instead all new messages have been stored in a spool. This evening, someone from a different mailing list I administer observed that his emails were not being received by the mailing list. Problem is now fixed, and all messages since the 24th have been sent out.
Ah, that doesn't sound very "technical". Do I need to use The Google to see what the real "issue" was? What keywords should I use?
I manage several important mailing lists, so I am beyond amazed and mystified why nobody else observed that their emails were not being posted to their respective mailing lists.
So does this mean that the BB list isn't one of the "important" ones, or that all the lists, important or otherwise didn't get restarted?
And you also didn't realize it either, whether or not you sent something, correct?
Frank often emails the BB along w/ others. When he gets emails from the "others" but not the BB he probably just figures that "yet-again" the BB isn't responding to his emails and such. So he continues doing his job. Chug, chug, chug...
As a member of a mailing list, when you send an original message to your list you should always get back your message, with a modification to the subject line. So if your subject is "What the heck?", you would get in your Inbox or folder ..
Not a true blanket-statement. Using g(unnar)mail, if I sent out an email to the list-
- I don't get another copy of it.
- If someone responds (as you just did), the subject does NOT get
modified. My thread/conversation stays the same. No biggie, since I don't use the [Bikeboard] as the filter, rather I use the email addy, so my filter still labels it as such.
Subject: [Bikeboard] What the heck?
Nope.
-Jonathan
On 12/24/2011 1:06 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
Looks like I got 61 individual emails pertaining to 22 different threads/conversations. The first one from November 28. I started receiving them around 11:06 pm until 12:06 am. Weird, n'est–ce pas?
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
Is it just me or did most of you just receive a complete wrath of BB messages? Some about a month old. Were the emails sent *just* to the BB sitting in some obtuse queue or where they circling the globe waiting for a port to be opened?
Whatever it is, I would have to say it's not good, specially considering what most of the discussion was about. Harrumph.
Oh yeah, and Happy Holidays! (Hope you get this before the start of the New Year)
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
On Dec 24, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
(Technical explanation) Since early morning November 24, the mailing list has been down. This was due to a global time issue that had killed the email server, when I corrected the time issue several services went down. One of those services was the mailing list. Because it was never was restarted, messages have not been going out since then, instead all new messages have been stored in a spool. This evening, someone from a different mailing list I administer observed that his emails were not being received by the mailing list. Problem is now fixed, and all messages since the 24th have been sent out.
Ah, that doesn't sound very "technical". Do I need to use The Google to see what the real "issue" was? What keywords should I use?
I manage several important mailing lists, so I am beyond amazed and mystified why nobody else observed that their emails were not being posted to their respective mailing lists.
So does this mean that the BB list isn't one of the "important" ones, or that all the lists, important or otherwise didn't get restarted?
And you also didn't realize it either, whether or not you sent something, correct?
Frank often emails the BB along w/ others. When he gets emails from the "others" but not the BB he probably just figures that "yet-again" the BB isn't responding to his emails and such. So he continues doing his job. Chug, chug, chug...
RIGHT. Merry Christmas!
As a member of a mailing list, when you send an original message to your list you should always get back your message, with a modification to the subject line. So if your subject is "What the heck?", you would get in your Inbox or folder ..
Not a true blanket-statement. Using g(unnar)mail, if I sent out an email to the list-
- I don't get another copy of it.
- If someone responds (as you just did), the subject does NOT get
modified. My thread/conversation stays the same. No biggie, since I don't use the [Bikeboard] as the filter, rather I use the email addy, so my filter still labels it as such.
Subject: [Bikeboard] What the heck?
Nope.
-Jonathan
On 12/24/2011 1:06 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
Looks like I got 61 individual emails pertaining to 22 different threads/conversations. The first one from November 28. I started receiving them around 11:06 pm until 12:06 am. Weird, n'est–ce pas?
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
Is it just me or did most of you just receive a complete wrath of BB messages? Some about a month old. Were the emails sent *just* to the BB sitting in some obtuse queue or where they circling the globe waiting for a port to be opened?
Whatever it is, I would have to say it's not good, specially considering what most of the discussion was about. Harrumph.
Oh yeah, and Happy Holidays! (Hope you get this before the start of the New Year)
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
On 12/24/2011 2:46 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
I manage several important mailing lists, so I am beyond amazed and mystified why nobody else observed that their emails were not being posted to their respective mailing lists.
So does this mean that the BB list isn't one of the "important" ones, or that all the lists, important or otherwise didn't get restarted?
All email lists were effected.
As a member of a mailing list, when you send an original message to your list you should always get back your message, with a modification to the subject line. So if your subject is "What the heck?", you would get in your Inbox or folder ..
Not a true blanket-statement. Using g(unnar)mail, if I sent out an email to the list-
- I don't get another copy of it.
- If someone responds (as you just did), the subject does NOT get
modified. My thread/conversation stays the same. No biggie, since I don't use the [Bikeboard] as the filter, rather I use the email addy, so my filter still labels it as such.
Thanks for pointing this out! In this case, what gmail may tout as a blessing, turned into a curse: https://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6588 https://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6588
Several of the most active users on the lists I manage have switched to gmail, so this helps to explain why the issue remained unnoticed.
-Jonathan P.S. Very sorry everyone for the communication disruption. The reading so far is intriguing and it looks like we are on track with the Plan. Happy holidays!
-Jonathan
On 12/24/2011 1:06 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
Looks like I got 61 individual emails pertaining to 22 different threads/conversations. The first one from November 28. I started receiving them around 11:06 pm until 12:06 am. Weird, n'est–ce pas?
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Gunnar Shogrengshogren@gmail.com wrote:
Is it just me or did most of you just receive a complete wrath of BB messages? Some about a month old. Were the emails sent *just* to the BB sitting in some obtuse queue or where they circling the globe waiting for a port to be opened?
Whatever it is, I would have to say it's not good, specially considering what most of the discussion was about. Harrumph.
Oh yeah, and Happy Holidays! (Hope you get this before the start of the New Year)
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Jonathan,
I imagine you might be feeling like crap because of this glitch. Please let me offer some perspective.
You stepped up more than 5 years ago and offered to manage BB e-mail communications. You have managed to keep everyone's list membership up-to-date. Over the years, you have maintained the system with such reliability that many of us probably forget that you're behind it and keeping it working. Consequently, we don't think to thank you for your continuous vigilance and support. So, let me take this opportunity to thank you!
Frank
On Dec 24, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote:
On 12/24/2011 2:46 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
I manage several important mailing lists, so I am beyond amazed and mystified why nobody else observed that their emails were not being posted to their respective mailing lists.
So does this mean that the BB list isn't one of the "important" ones, or that all the lists, important or otherwise didn't get restarted?
All email lists were effected.
As a member of a mailing list, when you send an original message to your list you should always get back your message, with a modification to the subject line. So if your subject is "What the heck?", you would get in your Inbox or folder ..
Not a true blanket-statement. Using g(unnar)mail, if I sent out an email to the list-
- I don't get another copy of it.
- If someone responds (as you just did), the subject does NOT get
modified. My thread/conversation stays the same. No biggie, since I don't use the [Bikeboard] as the filter, rather I use the email addy, so my filter still labels it as such.
Thanks for pointing this out! In this case, what gmail may tout as a blessing, turned into a curse: https://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6588 https://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6588
Several of the most active users on the lists I manage have switched to gmail, so this helps to explain why the issue remained unnoticed.
-Jonathan P.S. Very sorry everyone for the communication disruption. The reading so far is intriguing and it looks like we are on track with the Plan. Happy holidays!
-Jonathan
On 12/24/2011 1:06 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
Looks like I got 61 individual emails pertaining to 22 different threads/conversations. The first one from November 28. I started receiving them around 11:06 pm until 12:06 am. Weird, n'est–ce pas?
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Gunnar Shogrengshogren@gmail.com wrote:
Is it just me or did most of you just receive a complete wrath of BB messages? Some about a month old. Were the emails sent *just* to the BB sitting in some obtuse queue or where they circling the globe waiting for a port to be opened?
Whatever it is, I would have to say it's not good, specially considering what most of the discussion was about. Harrumph.
Oh yeah, and Happy Holidays! (Hope you get this before the start of the New Year)
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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