Hey all,
I met with the board of Main Street Morgantown this morning to discuss our plans for bike racks on High street. They are still concerned about the urban clutter that the racks will add to the downtown. Furthermore, they would like to remove the curbing around the trees, which will make the rack placement in those spots a new obstruction. Their questions were:
1) did we have other options? 2) could we put all bikes in the parking garages? 3) could we use a mixture of parking? 4) could we put the bikes on side streets? 5) would there be a time limit on parking? 6) who would police the racks? 7) how would abandoned bikes be dealt with? 8) why weren't all of the property owners and merchants contacted about the rack placement?
I told them that we could do bike corrals at the expense of losing a parking space. Not only would they not be as convenient, but they are less attractive.
I discussed the options of some secure parking in the parking garages, but the loss of on street parking would lower the the use of downtown by cyclists.
I proposed a mix of one side of High street with post and rings and a bicycle corral possibly near the Blue Moose as a pilot project.
I told them that side streets had been considered but the existence already of the bump outs and trees gave us an out of the way placement of racks.
Dan Borhoff commented on questions 5,6 and 7 by saying that a city ordinance would have to be passed by city council.
My response to question 8 was that we were working with organizations like main street and the design committee who represent these individuals and that it was not practical for us to contact every merchant and property owner.
The Main Street board wants to discuss it further and have us meet with the design committee again (they meet the second Thursday of the month).
We will need to develop a more definitive plan for bike corral style parking. There will be several problems to consider:
1) working with the parking authority to obtain spaces. 2) working with the state DOH as most street downtown are also state roads. 3) dealing with more underground utility issues in the street with regard to mounting bollards and racks.
Lots more stuff to work on before the next design committee meeting August 13.
Chip
Chip:
Part of the reason my son's bicycle was stolen near a business (not downtown, on Patteson drive) was lack of something appropriate to lock the bike to. We do need spaces for bicycles to park.
Some racks look like art, see the attachment. No clutter involved.
It seems like the question to ask downtown morgantown is how do we provide visable parking near the places
where people do business/eat/use the public buildings.
Protected parking in Public Garages is fine
I have almost never locked my bike near/in a parking garage for cars and would not do so unless it was very protected parking.
When we have special spaces/lockers for bikes in the garages, they will probably be used by commuters.
Still need on-street parking
In addition, somewhere near each part of downtown we need parking space for bikes included in the streetscape. These will be for shoppers and users of the downtown who may want to go from business to business downtown.
Rather than ask you so many questions, Mainstreet needs to counter-propose their vision for bikes downtown.
Maybe then we end up back to the bikeboard original proposal--and make downtown usable by those who actually ride bikes.
Please feel free to forward this,
Jenny
Jenny Selin 1224 Fairlawns Morgantown, WV 26505 USA Phone:(304-598-9650) jselin@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:00:58 -0400 From: chip@wamsleycycles.com To: bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: [Bikeboard] main streat board meeting
Hey all,
I met with the board of Main Street Morgantown this morning to discuss our plans for bike racks on High street. They are still concerned about the urban clutter that the racks will add to the downtown. Furthermore, they would like to remove the curbing around the trees, which will make the rack placement in those spots a new obstruction. Their questions were:
- did we have other options?
- could we put all bikes in the parking garages?
- could we use a mixture of parking?
- could we put the bikes on side streets?
- would there be a time limit on parking?
- who would police the racks?
- how would abandoned bikes be dealt with?
- why weren't all of the property owners and merchants contacted about the rack placement?
I told them that we could do bike corrals at the expense of losing a parking space. Not only would they not be as convenient, but they are less attractive.
I discussed the options of some secure parking in the parking garages, but the loss of on street parking would lower the the use of downtown by cyclists.
I proposed a mix of one side of High street with post and rings and a bicycle corral possibly near the Blue Moose as a pilot project.
I told them that side streets had been considered but the existence already of the bump outs and trees gave us an out of the way placement of racks.
Dan Borhoff commented on questions 5,6 and 7 by saying that a city ordinance would have to be passed by city council.
My response to question 8 was that we were working with organizations like main street and the design committee who represent these individuals and that it was not practical for us to contact every merchant and property owner.
The Main Street board wants to discuss it further and have us meet with the design committee again (they meet the second Thursday of the month).
We will need to develop a more definitive plan for bike corral style parking. There will be several problems to consider:
- working with the parking authority to obtain spaces.
- working with the state DOH as most street downtown are also state roads.
- dealing with more underground utility issues in the street with regard to mounting bollards and racks.
Lots more stuff to work on before the next design committee meeting August 13.
Chip
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I agree with Jenny that we should ask Mainstreet to state their vision for bicycling downtown.
They obviously do not understand that forcing cyclists to park in parking garages may remove the accessability advantage that bicycling downtown would provide in the firstplace. Therefore, I suggest that we suggest that their members that bicycle downtown craft the vision. As far as I know Barb Watkins is the only MSM member that cycles.
We really need to get more people on bikes if we're going to overcome the ignorance and resistance that now exists.
Frank
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On Jul 15, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Jennifer Selin jselin@hotmail.com wrote:
Chip:
Part of the reason my son's bicycle was stolen near a business (not downtown, on Patteson drive) was lack of something appropriate to lock the bike to. We do need spaces for bicycles to park.
Some racks look like art, see the attachment. No clutter involved.
It seems like the question to ask downtown morgantown is how do we provide visable parking near the places where people do business/eat/use the public buildings.
Protected parking in Public Garages is fine I have almost never locked my bike near/in a parking garage for cars and would not do so unless it was very protected parking. When we have special spaces/lockers for bikes in the garages, they will probably be used by commuters.
Still need on-street parking In addition, somewhere near each part of downtown we need parking space for bikes included in the streetscape. These will be for shoppers and users of the downtown who may want to go from business to business downtown.
Rather than ask you so many questions, Mainstreet needs to counter- propose their vision for bikes downtown. Maybe then we end up back to the bikeboard original proposal--and make downtown usable by those who actually ride bikes.
Please feel free to forward this,
Jenny
Jenny Selin 1224 Fairlawns Morgantown, WV 26505 USA Phone:(304-598-9650 ) jselin@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:00:58 -0400 From: chip@wamsleycycles.com To: bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: [Bikeboard] main streat board meeting
Hey all,
I met with the board of Main Street Morgantown this morning to
discuss our plans for bike racks on High street. They are still concerned about the urban clutter that the racks will add to the downtown. Furthermore, they would like to remove the curbing around the trees, which will make the rack placement in those spots a new obstruction. Their questions were:
- did we have other options?
- could we put all bikes in the parking garages?
- could we use a mixture of parking?
- could we put the bikes on side streets?
- would there be a time limit on parking?
- who would police the racks?
- how would abandoned bikes be dealt with?
- why weren't all of the property owners and merchants contacted
about the rack placement?
I told them that we could do bike corrals at the expense of losing
a parking space. Not only would they not be as convenient, but they are less attractive.
I discussed the options of some secure parking in the parking
garages, but the loss of on street parking would lower the the use of downtown by cyclists.
I proposed a mix of one side of High street with post and rings
and a bicycle corral possibly near the Blue Moose as a pilot project.
I told them that side streets had been considered but the
existence already of the bump outs and trees gave us an out of the way placement of racks.
Dan Borhoff commented on questions 5,6 and 7 by saying that a city
ordinance would have to be passed by city council.
My response to question 8 was that we were working with
organizations like main street and the design committee who represent these individuals and that it was not practical for us to contact every merchant and property owner.
The Main Street board wants to discuss it further and have us meet
with the design committee again (they meet the second Thursday of the month).
We will need to develop a more definitive plan for bike corral
style parking. There will be several problems to consider:
- working with the parking authority to obtain spaces.
- working with the state DOH as most street downtown are also
state roads.
- dealing with more underground utility issues in the street with
regard to mounting bollards and racks.
Lots more stuff to work on before the next design committee
meeting August 13.
Chip
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Frank, I agree with Jenny as well. It seems also seems like every time we get close to implementation, our goal is taken away. We should all attempt to persuade our friends to cycle. It wouldn't hurt to see ten times the amount of cyclists. The larger and more visible we become, the more we'll have to be listened to. Take care guys and be safe, ~Derek
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From: fgmeindl@verizon.net To: jselin@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:43:50 +0200 CC: bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] main streat board meeting
I agree with Jenny that we should ask Mainstreet to state their vision for bicycling downtown. They obviously do not understand that forcing cyclists to park in parking garages may remove the accessability advantage that bicycling downtown would provide in the firstplace. Therefore, I suggest that we suggest that their members that bicycle downtown craft the vision. As far as I know Barb Watkins is the only MSM member that cycles. We really need to get more people on bikes if we're going to overcome the ignorance and resistance that now exists. Frank Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Jennifer Selin jselin@hotmail.com wrote:
Chip:
Part of the reason my son's bicycle was stolen near a business (not downtown, on Patteson drive) was lack of something appropriate to lock the bike to. We do need spaces for bicycles to park.
Some racks look like art, see the attachment. No clutter involved.
It seems like the question to ask downtown morgantown is how do we provide visable parking near the places
where people do business/eat/use the public buildings.
Protected parking in Public Garages is fine
I have almost never locked my bike near/in a parking garage for cars and would not do so unless it was very protected parking.
When we have special spaces/lockers for bikes in the garages, they will probably be used by commuters.
Still need on-street parking
In addition, somewhere near each part of downtown we need parking space for bikes included in the streetscape. These will be for shoppers and users of the downtown who may want to go from business to business downtown.
Rather than ask you so many questions, Mainstreet needs to counter-propose their vision for bikes downtown.
Maybe then we end up back to the bikeboard original proposal--and make downtown usable by those who actually ride bikes.
Please feel free to forward this,
Jenny
Jenny Selin 1224 Fairlawns Morgantown, WV 26505 USA Phone:(304-598-9650) jselin@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:00:58 -0400 From: chip@wamsleycycles.com To: bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: [Bikeboard] main streat board meeting
Hey all,
I met with the board of Main Street Morgantown this morning to discuss our plans for bike racks on High street. They are still concerned about the urban clutter that the racks will add to the downtown. Furthermore, they would like to remove the curbing around the trees, which will make the rack placement in those spots a new obstruction. Their questions were:
- did we have other options?
- could we put all bikes in the parking garages?
- could we use a mixture of parking?
- could we put the bikes on side streets?
- would there be a time limit on parking?
- who would police the racks?
- how would abandoned bikes be dealt with?
- why weren't all of the property owners and merchants contacted about the rack placement?
I told them that we could do bike corrals at the expense of losing a parking space. Not only would they not be as convenient, but they are less attractive.
I discussed the options of some secure parking in the parking garages, but the loss of on street parking would lower the the use of downtown by cyclists.
I proposed a mix of one side of High street with post and rings and a bicycle corral possibly near the Blue Moose as a pilot project.
I told them that side streets had been considered but the existence already of the bump outs and trees gave us an out of the way placement of racks.
Dan Borhoff commented on questions 5,6 and 7 by saying that a city ordinance would have to be passed by city council.
My response to question 8 was that we were working with organizations like main street and the design committee who represent these individuals and that it was not practical for us to contact every merchant and property owner.
The Main Street board wants to discuss it further and have us meet with the design committee again (they meet the second Thursday of the month).
We will need to develop a more definitive plan for bike corral style parking. There will be several problems to consider:
- working with the parking authority to obtain spaces.
- working with the state DOH as most street downtown are also state roads.
- dealing with more underground utility issues in the street with regard to mounting bollards and racks.
Lots more stuff to work on before the next design committee meeting August 13.
Chip
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