Bill, Damien,
I've heard that WV has adopted the 2009 MUTCD. Do either of you have an official document announcing that?
Today, I learned that FHWA is planning a full new edition of the MUTCD, with rulemaking anticipated for spring 2015 and publication in late 2016. If WV hasn't adopted the 2009 MUTCD yet, I can imagine with dread their using the forthcoming 2016 edition as an excuse to continue using the 2003 edition until then.
If the 2009 MUTCD has been adopted, we should proceed with the Bicycle Board's 2007 recommendation (approved by the Traffic Commission, funded by the City Manager and temporarily approved by WVDOH) of Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs. The state seems to have found adequate CMAQ money as demonstrated by the WV state transportation implementation plan amendments that we will consider at this Thursday's MPO Citizen's Advisory Committee meeting. The proposed STIP amendments for FY 2014 cost $1.6M while the SLM & R4-11 signs cost only $13K. I would propose that the Citizens Advisory Committee consider recommending including the SLM & R4-11 sign plan in the STIP amendments. One could argue that installing SLM & R4-11 signs for $13,000 could have a larger impact on congestion mitigation and air quality improvement per dollar spent than widening Chaplin Hill Rd. for $750,000.
If WV doesn't intend to adopt the 2009 MUTCD, I would recommend we proceed with an experiment to do the Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 signs.
Frank D. Gmeindl LCI #1703 491 Wilson Avenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
Frank,
I don't have an official announcement of the adoption of the 2009 MUTCD. Greg Bailey Deputy Highway Administrator answered a question about the adoption of the 2009 MUTCD at the recent MPO Conference stating that with the exception of Section 6 the 2009 MUTCD had been adopted by WVDOT I believe he said in December of 2012. I can look at their website if you'd like.
Thanks,
Bill Austin, AICP
Executive Director
Morgantown Monongalia MPO
82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105
Morgantown, WVA 26505
304-291-9571
304-692-7225 Mobile
"Change does not change tradition. It strengthens it. Change is a challenge and an opportunity, not a threat."
- http://www.famousquotesandauthors.com/authors/prince_phillip_of_england_quo tes.html Prince Phillip of Englan
"Wherever we are, it is but a stage on the way to somewhere else, and whatever we do, however well we do it, it is only a preparation to do something else that shall be different."
- http://www.famousquotesandauthors.com/authors/robert_louis_stevenson_quotes .html Robert Louis Stevenson
"Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together." -Marilyn Monroe
From: Frank Gmeindl [mailto:fgmeindl@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 2:38 PM To: Bill Austin; Damien Davis Cc: Don Spencer; bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Board; citycouncilward2@cityofmorgantown.org Subject: New MUTCD
Bill, Damien,
I've heard that WV has adopted the 2009 MUTCD. Do either of you have an official document announcing that?
Today, I learned that FHWA is planning a full new edition of the MUTCD, with rulemaking anticipated for spring 2015 and publication in late 2016. If WV hasn't adopted the 2009 MUTCD yet, I can imagine with dread their using the forthcoming 2016 edition as an excuse to continue using the 2003 edition until then.
If the 2009 MUTCD has been adopted, we should proceed with the Bicycle Board's 2007 recommendation (approved by the Traffic Commission, funded by the City Manager and temporarily approved by WVDOH) of Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs. The state seems to have found adequate CMAQ money as demonstrated by the WV state transportation implementation plan amendments that we will consider at this Thursday's MPO Citizen's Advisory Committee meeting. The proposed STIP amendments for FY 2014 cost $1.6M while the SLM & R4-11 signs cost only $13K. I would propose that the Citizens Advisory Committee consider recommending including the SLM & R4-11 sign plan in the STIP amendments. One could argue that installing SLM & R4-11 signs for $13,000 could have a larger impact on congestion mitigation and air quality improvement per dollar spent than widening Chaplin Hill Rd. for $750,000.
If WV doesn't intend to adopt the 2009 MUTCD, I would recommend we proceed with an experiment to do the Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 signs.
Frank D. Gmeindl LCI #1703 491 Wilson Avenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
Bill,
Thanks for the prompt response. I searched around http://www.transportation.wv.gov/highways/Pages/default.aspx and couldn't find anything about adopting the 2009 MUTCD. Over the past few years, I've heard rumors that it was adopted and then that it was not adopted. That's why I'm looking for documentation. If as you say WVDOH has adopted it with the exception of Section 6, then they've adopted Section 9 which addresses the SLM & R4-11 signs and the path seems to be clear to implement Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs.
Frank D. Gmeindl LCI #1703 491 Wilson Avenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Bill Austin wrote:
Frank,
I don’t have an official announcement of the adoption of the 2009 MUTCD. Greg Bailey Deputy Highway Administrator answered a question about the adoption of the 2009 MUTCD at the recent MPO Conference stating that with the exception of Section 6 the 2009 MUTCD had been adopted by WVDOT I believe he said in December of 2012. I can look at their website if you’d like.
Thanks,
Bill Austin, AICP Executive Director Morgantown Monongalia MPO 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 Morgantown, WVA 26505 304-291-9571 304-692-7225 Mobile
"Change does not change tradition. It strengthens it. Change is a challenge and an opportunity, not a threat."
- Prince Phillip of Englan
"Wherever we are, it is but a stage on the way to somewhere else, and whatever we do, however well we do it, it is only a preparation to do something else that shall be different."
- Robert Louis Stevenson
“Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.” -Marilyn Monroe
From: Frank Gmeindl [mailto:fgmeindl@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 2:38 PM To: Bill Austin; Damien Davis Cc: Don Spencer; bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Board; citycouncilward2@cityofmorgantown.org Subject: New MUTCD
Bill, Damien,
I've heard that WV has adopted the 2009 MUTCD. Do either of you have an official document announcing that?
Today, I learned that FHWA is planning a full new edition of the MUTCD, with rulemaking anticipated for spring 2015 and publication in late 2016. If WV hasn't adopted the 2009 MUTCD yet, I can imagine with dread their using the forthcoming 2016 edition as an excuse to continue using the 2003 edition until then.
If the 2009 MUTCD has been adopted, we should proceed with the Bicycle Board's 2007 recommendation (approved by the Traffic Commission, funded by the City Manager and temporarily approved by WVDOH) of Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs. The state seems to have found adequate CMAQ money as demonstrated by the WV state transportation implementation plan amendments that we will consider at this Thursday's MPO Citizen's Advisory Committee meeting. The proposed STIP amendments for FY 2014 cost $1.6M while the SLM & R4-11 signs cost only $13K. I would propose that the Citizens Advisory Committee consider recommending including the SLM & R4-11 sign plan in the STIP amendments. One could argue that installing SLM & R4-11 signs for $13,000 could have a larger impact on congestion mitigation and air quality improvement per dollar spent than widening Chaplin Hill Rd. for $750,000.
If WV doesn't intend to adopt the 2009 MUTCD, I would recommend we proceed with an experiment to do the Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 signs.
Frank D. Gmeindl LCI #1703 491 Wilson Avenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
I'd like to see official documentation as well...the reason we have that awful temporary sidewalk closure on Willey at Panera site is the lack of implementation of Section 6 of the MUTCD. Thanks Bill. Christiaan
________________________________ From: Frank Gmeindl fgmeindl@gmail.com To: Bill Austin baustin@labyrinth.net Cc: bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] New MUTCD
Bill,
Thanks for the prompt response. I searched around http://www.transportation.wv.gov/highways/Pages/default.aspx and couldn't find anything about adopting the 2009 MUTCD. Over the past few years, I've heard rumors that it was adopted and then that it was not adopted. That's why I'm looking for documentation. If as you say WVDOH has adopted it with the exception of Section 6, then they've adopted Section 9 which addresses the SLM & R4-11 signs and the path seems to be clear to implement Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs.
Frank D. Gmeindl LCI #1703 491 Wilson Avenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Bill Austin wrote:
Frank,
I don’t have an official announcement of the adoption of the 2009 MUTCD. Greg Bailey Deputy Highway Administrator answered a question about the adoption of the 2009 MUTCD at the recent MPO Conference stating that with the exception of Section 6 the 2009 MUTCD had been adopted by WVDOT I believe he said in December of 2012. I can look at their website if you’d like. Thanks, Bill Austin, AICP Executive Director Morgantown Monongalia MPO 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 Morgantown, WVA 26505 304-291-9571 304-692-7225 Mobile "Change does not change tradition. It strengthens it. Change is a challenge and an opportunity, not a threat." - Prince Phillip of Englan "Wherever we are, it is but a stage on the way to somewhere else, and whatever we do, however well we do it, it is only a preparation to do something else that shall be different." - Robert Louis Stevenson “Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.” -Marilyn Monroe From: Frank Gmeindl [mailto:fgmeindl@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 2:38 PM To: Bill Austin; Damien Davis Cc: Don Spencer; bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Board; citycouncilward2@cityofmorgantown.org Subject: New MUTCD Bill, Damien, I've heard that WV has adopted the 2009 MUTCD. Do either of you have an official document announcing that? Today, I learned that FHWA is planning a full new edition of the MUTCD, with rulemaking anticipated for spring 2015 and publication in late 2016. If WV hasn't adopted the 2009 MUTCD yet, I can imagine with dread their using the forthcoming 2016 edition as an excuse to continue using the 2003 edition until then. If the 2009 MUTCD has been adopted, we should proceed with the Bicycle Board's 2007 recommendation (approved by the Traffic Commission, funded by the City Manager and temporarily approved by WVDOH) of Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs. The state seems to have found adequate CMAQ money as demonstrated by the WV state transportation implementation plan amendments that we will consider at this Thursday's MPO Citizen's Advisory Committee meeting. The proposed STIP amendments for FY 2014 cost $1.6M while the SLM & R4-11 signs cost only $13K. I would propose that the Citizens Advisory Committee consider recommending including the SLM & R4-11 sign plan in the STIP amendments. One could argue that installing SLM & R4-11 signs for $13,000 could have a larger impact on congestion mitigation and air quality improvement per dollar spent than widening Chaplin Hill Rd. for $750,000. If WV doesn't intend to adopt the 2009 MUTCD, I would recommend we proceed with an experiment to do the Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 signs. Frank D. Gmeindl LCI #1703 491 Wilson Avenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
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Christiaan,
They do have a maintenance of traffic guidelines they use in place of Section 6. You can find it hear.
http://www.transportation.wv.gov/highways/traffic/Pages/TrafficEngineeringDi...
Bill
From: Christiaan Abildso [mailto:cabildso@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:02 PM To: Frank Gmeindl; Bill Austin Cc: bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] New MUTCD
I'd like to see official documentation as well...the reason we have that awful temporary sidewalk closure on Willey at Panera site is the lack of implementation of Section 6 of the MUTCD.
Thanks Bill.
Christiaan
_____
From: Frank Gmeindl fgmeindl@gmail.com To: Bill Austin baustin@labyrinth.net Cc: bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] New MUTCD
Bill,
Thanks for the prompt response. I searched around http://www.transportation.wv.gov/highways/Pages/default.aspx and couldn't find anything about adopting the 2009 MUTCD. Over the past few years, I've heard rumors that it was adopted and then that it was not adopted. That's why I'm looking for documentation. If as you say WVDOH has adopted it with the exception of Section 6, then they've adopted Section 9 which addresses the SLM & R4-11 signs and the path seems to be clear to implement Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs.
Frank D. Gmeindl LCI #1703 491 Wilson Avenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Bill Austin wrote:
Frank,
I don’t have an official announcement of the adoption of the 2009 MUTCD. Greg Bailey Deputy Highway Administrator answered a question about the adoption of the 2009 MUTCD at the recent MPO Conference stating that with the exception of Section 6 the 2009 MUTCD had been adopted by WVDOT I believe he said in December of 2012. I can look at their website if you’d like.
Thanks,
Bill Austin, AICP
Executive Director
Morgantown Monongalia MPO
82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105
Morgantown, WVA 26505
304-291-9571
304-692-7225 Mobile
"Change does not change tradition. It strengthens it. Change is a challenge and an opportunity, not a threat."
- http://www.famousquotesandauthors.com/authors/prince_phillip_of_england_quotes.html Prince Phillip of Englan
"Wherever we are, it is but a stage on the way to somewhere else, and whatever we do, however well we do it, it is only a preparation to do something else that shall be different."
- http://www.famousquotesandauthors.com/authors/robert_louis_stevenson_quotes.html Robert Louis Stevenson
“Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.” -Marilyn Monroe
From: Frank Gmeindl [mailto:fgmeindl@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 2:38 PM To: Bill Austin; Damien Davis Cc: Don Spencer; bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Board; citycouncilward2@cityofmorgantown.org Subject: New MUTCD
Bill, Damien,
I've heard that WV has adopted the 2009 MUTCD. Do either of you have an official document announcing that?
Today, I learned that FHWA is planning a full new edition of the MUTCD, with rulemaking anticipated for spring 2015 and publication in late 2016. If WV hasn't adopted the 2009 MUTCD yet, I can imagine with dread their using the forthcoming 2016 edition as an excuse to continue using the 2003 edition until then.
If the 2009 MUTCD has been adopted, we should proceed with the Bicycle Board's 2007 recommendation (approved by the Traffic Commission, funded by the City Manager and temporarily approved by WVDOH) of Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs. The state seems to have found adequate CMAQ money as demonstrated by the WV state transportation implementation plan amendments that we will consider at this Thursday's MPO Citizen's Advisory Committee meeting. The proposed STIP amendments for FY 2014 cost $1.6M while the SLM & R4-11 signs cost only $13K. I would propose that the Citizens Advisory Committee consider recommending including the SLM & R4-11 sign plan in the STIP amendments. One could argue that installing SLM & R4-11 signs for $13,000 could have a larger impact on congestion mitigation and air quality improvement per dollar spent than widening Chaplin Hill Rd. for $750,000.
If WV doesn't intend to adopt the 2009 MUTCD, I would recommend we proceed with an experiment to do the Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 signs.
Frank D. Gmeindl LCI #1703 491 Wilson Avenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
_______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Correction,
The Manual may be found here.
http://www.transportation.wv.gov/highways/engineering/pages/publications.asp...
Bill
From: bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com] On Behalf Of Bill Austin Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:41 PM To: 'Christiaan Abildso'; 'Frank Gmeindl' Cc: bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] New MUTCD
Christiaan,
They do have a maintenance of traffic guidelines they use in place of Section 6. You can find it hear.
http://www.transportation.wv.gov/highways/traffic/Pages/TrafficEngineeringDi...
Bill
From: Christiaan Abildso [mailto:cabildso@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:02 PM To: Frank Gmeindl; Bill Austin Cc: bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] New MUTCD
I'd like to see official documentation as well...the reason we have that awful temporary sidewalk closure on Willey at Panera site is the lack of implementation of Section 6 of the MUTCD.
Thanks Bill.
Christiaan
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From: Frank Gmeindl fgmeindl@gmail.com To: Bill Austin baustin@labyrinth.net Cc: bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] New MUTCD
Bill,
Thanks for the prompt response. I searched around http://www.transportation.wv.gov/highways/Pages/default.aspx and couldn't find anything about adopting the 2009 MUTCD. Over the past few years, I've heard rumors that it was adopted and then that it was not adopted. That's why I'm looking for documentation. If as you say WVDOH has adopted it with the exception of Section 6, then they've adopted Section 9 which addresses the SLM & R4-11 signs and the path seems to be clear to implement Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs.
Frank D. Gmeindl LCI #1703 491 Wilson Avenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Bill Austin wrote:
Frank,
I don’t have an official announcement of the adoption of the 2009 MUTCD. Greg Bailey Deputy Highway Administrator answered a question about the adoption of the 2009 MUTCD at the recent MPO Conference stating that with the exception of Section 6 the 2009 MUTCD had been adopted by WVDOT I believe he said in December of 2012. I can look at their website if you’d like.
Thanks,
Bill Austin, AICP
Executive Director
Morgantown Monongalia MPO
82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105
Morgantown, WVA 26505
304-291-9571
304-692-7225 Mobile
"Change does not change tradition. It strengthens it. Change is a challenge and an opportunity, not a threat."
- http://www.famousquotesandauthors.com/authors/prince_phillip_of_england_quotes.html Prince Phillip of Englan
"Wherever we are, it is but a stage on the way to somewhere else, and whatever we do, however well we do it, it is only a preparation to do something else that shall be different."
- http://www.famousquotesandauthors.com/authors/robert_louis_stevenson_quotes.html Robert Louis Stevenson
“Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.” -Marilyn Monroe
From: Frank Gmeindl [mailto:fgmeindl@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 2:38 PM To: Bill Austin; Damien Davis Cc: Don Spencer; bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Board; citycouncilward2@cityofmorgantown.org Subject: New MUTCD
Bill, Damien,
I've heard that WV has adopted the 2009 MUTCD. Do either of you have an official document announcing that?
Today, I learned that FHWA is planning a full new edition of the MUTCD, with rulemaking anticipated for spring 2015 and publication in late 2016. If WV hasn't adopted the 2009 MUTCD yet, I can imagine with dread their using the forthcoming 2016 edition as an excuse to continue using the 2003 edition until then.
If the 2009 MUTCD has been adopted, we should proceed with the Bicycle Board's 2007 recommendation (approved by the Traffic Commission, funded by the City Manager and temporarily approved by WVDOH) of Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs. The state seems to have found adequate CMAQ money as demonstrated by the WV state transportation implementation plan amendments that we will consider at this Thursday's MPO Citizen's Advisory Committee meeting. The proposed STIP amendments for FY 2014 cost $1.6M while the SLM & R4-11 signs cost only $13K. I would propose that the Citizens Advisory Committee consider recommending including the SLM & R4-11 sign plan in the STIP amendments. One could argue that installing SLM & R4-11 signs for $13,000 could have a larger impact on congestion mitigation and air quality improvement per dollar spent than widening Chaplin Hill Rd. for $750,000.
If WV doesn't intend to adopt the 2009 MUTCD, I would recommend we proceed with an experiment to do the Shared Lane Markings and R4-11 signs.
Frank D. Gmeindl LCI #1703 491 Wilson Avenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
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