That is probably the steepest road in Morgantown and awfully narrow. Not all that long, but steep.
So when would cyclists use it? Jones is 1-way, down, or is the end of Jones 2-way now w/ that big Apt complex and parking lot there? Just want to keep us from having an "oh-shit" moment...
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Chip Wamsley chip@wamsleycycles.comwrote:
I know that place and it is really steep, as steep as any place in town and will be a challenge to build steps. A ramp would be great, still a tough push up.
Chip
-----Original Message----- From: "Frank Gmeindl" frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Sent 6/14/2012 2:48:08 PM To: "Bike Board - Morgantown" bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: [Bikeboard] Steps with bike ramp
Sorry, now photos are attached.
Bike Board Members,
What's the best design for steps with a bike ramp to enable cyclists to push their bikes up?
The developer of the new condominiums on the uphill side of Jones Av. between First St. and Overhill St. wants to close First St. between Jones and the condos. The developer said he would upgrade the steps there. (See attached photo.)
Last night, the Traffic Commission approved. I suggested that the developer also install a bike ramp adjacent to the steps to facilitate cyclists walking their bikes up the steps. A search of google images for "steps with bicycle ramp" reveals many interesting designs. If any strike you as being particularly worth recommending, please reply with the link to the image, e.g. steps with wheel ramps manningham st parkville.JPGhttp://www.google.com/imgres?q=steps+with+bicycle+ramp&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1280&bih=657&tbm=isch&tbnid=u60BXii9OHirNM:&imgrefurl=http://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/general/bike-futures/91988/&docid=FHuBWQCjJIWwBM&imgurl=http://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/media/vanilla/steps%252520with%252520wheel%252520ramps%252520manningham%252520st%252520parkville.JPG&w=362&h=271&ei=aS7aT8OIHIGg9QSY_7HJAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=644&vpy=237&dur=4090&hovh=194&hovw=260&tx=130&ty=214&sig=105649846092172636070&page=2&tbnh=144&tbnw=173&start=18&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:19,s:18,i:191 and a short explanation of why you think it's a good design, e.g. "the bicycle can be rolled onto the ramp without lifting it; there are ramps on both sides of the steps making it easy for righties as well as lefties; the ramps are narrow enough and bounded by a wall to discourage cyclists from attempting to ride down them; there's a hand rail up the middle of the steps to make it easier for both pedestrians and bicyclists to haul themselves up as well as to stabilize them".
Your reply is not crucial. Just pointing the developer at the search results might be sufficient. I thought you might have some fun with this. If the BB favors a particular design, I'll pass that on to the developer.
Frank
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Think pedestrian with bike. Jones is two-way for pedestrians. At least one person in those condos has a bike. They might appreciate steps with a ramp as a shortcut to walk home with their bike rather than riding up Overhill. The developer plans to do steps there anyway.
On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
That is probably the steepest road in Morgantown and awfully narrow. Not all that long, but steep.
So when would cyclists use it? Jones is 1-way, down, or is the end of Jones 2-way now w/ that big Apt complex and parking lot there? Just want to keep us from having an "oh-shit" moment...
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Chip Wamsley chip@wamsleycycles.com wrote: I know that place and it is really steep, as steep as any place in town and will be a challenge to build steps. A ramp would be great, still a tough push up.
Chip
-----Original Message----- From: "Frank Gmeindl" frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Sent 6/14/2012 2:48:08 PM To: "Bike Board - Morgantown" bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: [Bikeboard] Steps with bike ramp
Sorry, now photos are attached.
Bike Board Members,
What's the best design for steps with a bike ramp to enable cyclists to push their bikes up?
The developer of the new condominiums on the uphill side of Jones Av. between First St. and Overhill St. wants to close First St. between Jones and the condos. The developer said he would upgrade the steps there. (See attached photo.)
Last night, the Traffic Commission approved. I suggested that the developer also install a bike ramp adjacent to the steps to facilitate cyclists walking their bikes up the steps. A search of google images for "steps with bicycle ramp" reveals many interesting designs. If any strike you as being particularly worth recommending, please reply with the link to the image, e.g. steps with wheel ramps manningham st parkville.JPG and a short explanation of why you think it's a good design, e.g. "the bicycle can be rolled onto the ramp without lifting it; there are ramps on both sides of the steps making it easy for righties as well as lefties; the ramps are narrow enough and bounded by a wall to discourage cyclists from attempting to ride down them; there's a hand rail up the middle of the steps to make it easier for both pedestrians and bicyclists to haul themselves up as well as to stabilize them".
Your reply is not crucial. Just pointing the developer at the search results might be sufficient. I thought you might have some fun with this. If the BB favors a particular design, I'll pass that on to the developer.
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On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Think pedestrian with bike. Jones is two-way for pedestrians. At least one person in those condos has a bike. They might appreciate steps with a ramp as a shortcut to walk home with their bike rather than riding up Overhill. The developer plans to do steps there anyway.
I was thinking, from Stewart St, either coming off University or coming up Yoke and crossing, then going UP Jones. You're thinking that once they get on Jones they would be walking their bikes to First?
On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
That is probably the steepest road in Morgantown and awfully narrow. Not all that long, but steep.
So when would cyclists use it? Jones is 1-way, down, or is the end of Jones 2-way now w/ that big Apt complex and parking lot there? Just want to keep us from having an "oh-shit" moment...
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Chip Wamsley chip@wamsleycycles.com wrote:
I know that place and it is really steep, as steep as any place in town and will be a challenge to build steps. A ramp would be great, still a tough push up.
Chip
-----Original Message----- From: "Frank Gmeindl" frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Sent 6/14/2012 2:48:08 PM To: "Bike Board - Morgantown" bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: [Bikeboard] Steps with bike ramp
Sorry, now photos are attached.
Bike Board Members,
What's the best design for steps with a bike ramp to enable cyclists to push their bikes up?
The developer of the new condominiums on the uphill side of Jones Av. between First St. and Overhill St. wants to close First St. between Jones and the condos. The developer said he would upgrade the steps there. (See attached photo.)
Last night, the Traffic Commission approved. I suggested that the developer also install a bike ramp adjacent to the steps to facilitate cyclists walking their bikes up the steps. A search of google images for "steps with bicycle ramp" reveals many interesting designs. If any strike you as being particularly worth recommending, please reply with the link to the image, e.g. steps with wheel ramps manningham st parkville.JPG and a short explanation of why you think it's a good design, e.g. "the bicycle can be rolled onto the ramp without lifting it; there are ramps on both sides of the steps making it easy for righties as well as lefties; the ramps are narrow enough and bounded by a wall to discourage cyclists from attempting to ride down them; there's a hand rail up the middle of the steps to make it easier for both pedestrians and bicyclists to haul themselves up as well as to stabilize them".
Your reply is not crucial. Just pointing the developer at the search results might be sufficient. I thought you might have some fun with this. If the BB favors a particular design, I'll pass that on to the developer.
Frank
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Here are 3 designs that GG shared with the CC committee:
German Stairs
Japanese Stairs http://osenergy.org/cc/Dec-19-2007-Hike-presentation/japan-stairs.jpg
Ontario Stairs
-Jonathan
On 6/14/2012 5:55 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Think pedestrian with bike. Jones is two-way for pedestrians. At least one person in those condos has a bike. They might appreciate steps with a ramp as a shortcut to walk home with their bike rather than riding up Overhill. The developer plans to do steps there anyway.
I was thinking, from Stewart St, either coming off University or coming up Yoke and crossing, then going UP Jones. You're thinking that once they get on Jones they would be walking their bikes to First?
On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
That is probably the steepest road in Morgantown and awfully narrow. Not all that long, but steep.
So when would cyclists use it? Jones is 1-way, down, or is the end of Jones 2-way now w/ that big Apt complex and parking lot there? Just want to keep us from having an "oh-shit" moment...
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Chip Wamsleychip@wamsleycycles.com wrote:
I know that place and it is really steep, as steep as any place in town and will be a challenge to build steps. A ramp would be great, still a tough push up.
Chip
-----Original Message----- From: "Frank Gmeindl"frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Sent 6/14/2012 2:48:08 PM To: "Bike Board - Morgantown"bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: [Bikeboard] Steps with bike ramp
Sorry, now photos are attached.
Bike Board Members,
What's the best design for steps with a bike ramp to enable cyclists to push their bikes up?
The developer of the new condominiums on the uphill side of Jones Av. between First St. and Overhill St. wants to close First St. between Jones and the condos. The developer said he would upgrade the steps there. (See attached photo.)
Last night, the Traffic Commission approved. I suggested that the developer also install a bike ramp adjacent to the steps to facilitate cyclists walking their bikes up the steps. A search of google images for "steps with bicycle ramp" reveals many interesting designs. If any strike you as being particularly worth recommending, please reply with the link to the image, e.g. steps with wheel ramps manningham st parkville.JPG and a short explanation of why you think it's a good design, e.g. "the bicycle can be rolled onto the ramp without lifting it; there are ramps on both sides of the steps making it easy for righties as well as lefties; the ramps are narrow enough and bounded by a wall to discourage cyclists from attempting to ride down them; there's a hand rail up the middle of the steps to make it easier for both pedestrians and bicyclists to haul themselves up as well as to stabilize them".
Your reply is not crucial. Just pointing the developer at the search results might be sufficient. I thought you might have some fun with this. If the BB favors a particular design, I'll pass that on to the developer.
Frank
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On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Think pedestrian with bike. Jones is two-way for pedestrians. At least one person in those condos has a bike. They might appreciate steps with a ramp as a shortcut to walk home with their bike rather than riding up Overhill. The developer plans to do steps there anyway.
I was thinking, from Stewart St, either coming off University or coming up Yoke and crossing, then going UP Jones. You're thinking that once they get on Jones they would be walking their bikes to First?
My thinking is that Morgantown should be thinking about making it easier to walk and bike than to drive a car throughout this hilly city and having a standard that says redevelopment and new development shall include steps up every steep slope that connects significant trip origins and destinations and the steps shall include a bicycle ramp.
On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
That is probably the steepest road in Morgantown and awfully narrow. Not all that long, but steep.
So when would cyclists use it? Jones is 1-way, down, or is the end of Jones 2-way now w/ that big Apt complex and parking lot there? Just want to keep us from having an "oh-shit" moment...
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Chip Wamsley chip@wamsleycycles.com wrote:
I know that place and it is really steep, as steep as any place in town and will be a challenge to build steps. A ramp would be great, still a tough push up.
Chip
-----Original Message----- From: "Frank Gmeindl" frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Sent 6/14/2012 2:48:08 PM To: "Bike Board - Morgantown" bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: [Bikeboard] Steps with bike ramp
Sorry, now photos are attached.
Bike Board Members,
What's the best design for steps with a bike ramp to enable cyclists to push their bikes up?
The developer of the new condominiums on the uphill side of Jones Av. between First St. and Overhill St. wants to close First St. between Jones and the condos. The developer said he would upgrade the steps there. (See attached photo.)
Last night, the Traffic Commission approved. I suggested that the developer also install a bike ramp adjacent to the steps to facilitate cyclists walking their bikes up the steps. A search of google images for "steps with bicycle ramp" reveals many interesting designs. If any strike you as being particularly worth recommending, please reply with the link to the image, e.g. steps with wheel ramps manningham st parkville.JPG and a short explanation of why you think it's a good design, e.g. "the bicycle can be rolled onto the ramp without lifting it; there are ramps on both sides of the steps making it easy for righties as well as lefties; the ramps are narrow enough and bounded by a wall to discourage cyclists from attempting to ride down them; there's a hand rail up the middle of the steps to make it easier for both pedestrians and bicyclists to haul themselves up as well as to stabilize them".
Your reply is not crucial. Just pointing the developer at the search results might be sufficient. I thought you might have some fun with this. If the BB favors a particular design, I'll pass that on to the developer.
Frank
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