I thought today's meeting was about access from Walgreen's directly to the trail. Had I known that you were going to discuss the trail crossing Green Bag Rd. (or is it Decker Creek Blvd.?) and exits and entrances from Walgreen's onto the roadway, I'd have been there.
I call your attention to the Greater Morgantown Bicycle Plan that has been unanimously approved by Morgantown City Council: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2qudksezy7cl4et/Morgantown_Bicycle_Plan_v15.docx .
Specifically, the Engineering section entitled Bike Paths says: "Crossings between trails and roadways can be more dangerous than crossings between roadways because trails crossings may not have good sight lines and may not have sufficient traffic control.
To reduce crossing conflicts, the following measures should be considered · grade separated crossings; · signalized crossings · raised intersections; · cyclist activated crossing controls; · signage."
Also, Engineering Action #20: "Take the lead and work with appropriate entities to improve alignment and sight lines at Deckers Creek trail crossings of Deckers Creek Blvd. and consider enhanced traffic control measures."
The Bicycle Board has discussed the Decker Creek Trail crossing of Decker Creek Blvd. (Green Bag Rd.) and recommended removing the site line obstruction that Southern States currently presents and cyclist activated crossing controls. Were these discussed? What was the outcome?
Frank D. Gmeindl Chairman, Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board LCI #1703 491 WilsonAvenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
On Jun 12, 2012, at 6:29 PM, Ella Belling wrote:
Hi all, This is what I had in mind. Let me know the time and place to approach the DOH with this idea. Though not sure this one actually has traffic stop when ped/cyclists are near. I would like a red light for traffic as an option. http://www.crossalert.com/oursystem.html
Also Plan A is much better than plan B. Please try hard for Plan A. And then when the time comes, we discuss adding this traffic cross alert. Thanks for including us at the table. Ella
On Jun 12, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Trevor Lloyd wrote:
Not necessarily. It is a DOH road and signage must be approved through them. We will try and work Plan "A" first.
From: "Jonathan Rosenbaum" freesource@cheat.org To: "Trevor Lloyd" tlloyd@cityofmorgantown.org Cc: "Christiaan Abildso" Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu, "Damien Davis" ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org, "Bill Austin" baustin@moncpc.org, "Mark Wise" mwise@boparc.org, "Ella Belling" ella@montrails.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:55:18 PM Subject: Re: Walgreens Development in Sabraton
Thanks. This will apply to Plan A, too. Correct?
-Jonathan
On 6/12/2012 2:27 PM, Trevor Lloyd wrote:
signage with strobe lights in order to demand attention.
*From: *"Jonathan Rosenbaum" freesource@cheat.org *To: *"Ella Belling" ella@montrails.org *Cc: *"Christiaan Abildso" Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu, "Damien Davis" ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org, "Bill Austin" baustin@moncpc.org, "Trevor Lloyd" tlloyd@cityofmorgantown.org, "Mark Wise" mwise@boparc.org *Sent: *Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:57:30 PM *Subject: *Re: Walgreens Development in Sabraton
Could someone re-clarify to me what we discussed concerning Plan B? Thanks.
-Jonathan
On 6/6/2012 9:55 AM, Ella Belling wrote:
Hi all, I have added me, Mark Wise, and Bill Austin to your email on this. Thank you for some time on this. I appreciate that there is increased sight line visibility but am most concerned about the plan for a Walgreens exit (right turn only) onto Greenbag Road. This is very close to the trail crossing and drivers will only be looking to left for oncoming traffic.
I would like to make a plea for a pedestrian / bike crossing stop light at the trail, especially if this is to become a truck route in the future. We have thousands of trail users each year and this is one of our most popular areas. It is an important and well used crossing for cyclists and pedestrians. If it is a matter of cost, then I would like to open the door to partnering to fund it and will include MRTC as a possibility in that mix. Thanks, Ella
All:
The meeting with the Walgreen's developer is tentatively scheduled for Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 12:00 PM in the Engineering Conference Room at City Hall. We are awaiting confirmation from the developer. I will email the group to confirm the final date and time as soon as we hear back from the developer.
Respectfully,
Christopher M. Fletcher, AICP Director of Development Services Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org http://www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
Mr. Gmeindl:
All of the matters you raised below were discussed. Mr. Rosenbaum provided us a copy of the related Bicycle Plan section. The line of sight obstructions presented by the present Southern States retaining wall, fencing, and landscaping inventory will be removed and the site regraded to "flatten" this area thereby significantly improving line of site.
The cyclist activated crossing control was discussed but not as a required element of the Walgreens development. Terry Hough will be contacting WVDOH to discuss this and other advance warning signage/lighting improvements along Greenbag Road as well as the WVDOH access permit issued to Walgreens to see if restricting right turn movements from the Walgreens site to Greenbag Road is a viable option at this point. Terry and I are concerned that because the access permit was already granted, WVDOH may not be above to change the permit. The other option was developing signage/lighting warning motorists leaving the Walgreens site of the trail crossing.
Respectfully,
Christopher M. Fletcher, AICP Director of Development Services 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV 26505 (o) 304-284-7413 (f) 304-284-7534 (c) 304-906-7843 cfletcher@cityofmorgantown.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Gmeindl" frank.gmeindl@comcast.net To: "Christopher Fletcher" cfletcher@cityofmorgantown.org Cc: "Trevor Lloyd" tlloyd@cityofmorgantown.org, "Jonathan Rosenbaum" freesource@cheat.org, "Christiaan Abildso" Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu, "Damien Davis" ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org, "Bill Austin" baustin@moncpc.org, "Mark Wise" mwise@boparc.org, "Bike Board - Morgantown" bikeboard@cheat.org, "Ella Belling" ella@montrails.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:58:54 PM Subject: Re: Walgreens Development in Sabraton
I thought today's meeting was about access from Walgreen's directly to the trail. Had I known that you were going to discuss the trail crossing Green Bag Rd. (or is it Decker Creek Blvd.?) and exits and entrances from Walgreen's onto the roadway, I'd have been there.
I call your attention to the Greater Morgantown Bicycle Plan that has been unanimously approved by Morgantown City Council: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2qudksezy7cl4et/Morgantown_Bicycle_Plan_v15.docx .
Specifically, the Engineering section entitled Bike Paths says: "Crossings between trails and roadways can be more dangerous than crossings between roadways because trails crossings may not have good sight lines and may not have sufficient traffic control. To reduce crossing conflicts, the following measures should be considered · grade separated crossings; · signalized crossings · raised intersections; · cyclist activated crossing controls;
· signage."
Also, Engineering Action #20: "Take the lead and work with appropriate entities to improve alignment and sight lines at Deckers Creek trail crossings of Deckers Creek Blvd. and consider enhanced traffic control measures."
The Bicycle Board has discussed the Decker Creek Trail crossing of Decker Creek Blvd. (Green Bag Rd.) and recommended removing the site line obstruction that Southern States currently presents and cyclist activated crossing controls. Were these discussed? What was the outcome?
Frank D. Gmeindl Chairman, Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board LCI #1703 491 WilsonAvenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
On Jun 12, 2012, at 6:29 PM, Ella Belling wrote:
Hi all, This is what I had in mind. Let me know the time and place to approach the DOH with this idea. Though not sure this one actually has traffic stop when ped/cyclists are near. I would like a red light for traffic as an option. < http://www.crossalert.com/oursystem.html >
Also Plan A is much better than plan B. Please try hard for Plan A. And then when the time comes, we discuss adding this traffic cross alert. Thanks for including us at the table. Ella
On Jun 12, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Trevor Lloyd wrote:
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Not necessarily. It is a DOH road and signage must be approved through them. We will try and work Plan "A" first.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Rosenbaum" < freesource@cheat.org > To: "Trevor Lloyd" < tlloyd@cityofmorgantown.org > Cc: "Christiaan Abildso" < Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu >, "Damien Davis" < ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org >, "Bill Austin" < baustin@moncpc.org >, "Mark Wise" < mwise@boparc.org >, "Ella Belling" < ella@montrails.org > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:55:18 PM Subject: Re: Walgreens Development in Sabraton
Thanks. This will apply to Plan A, too. Correct?
-Jonathan
On 6/12/2012 2:27 PM, Trevor Lloyd wrote:
signage with strobe lights in order to demand attention.
*From: *"Jonathan Rosenbaum" < freesource@cheat.org > *To: *"Ella Belling" < ella@montrails.org > *Cc: *"Christiaan Abildso" < Christiaan.Abildso@mail.wvu.edu >, "Damien Davis" < ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org >, "Bill Austin" < baustin@moncpc.org >, "Trevor Lloyd" < tlloyd@cityofmorgantown.org >, "Mark Wise" < mwise@boparc.org > *Sent: *Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:57:30 PM *Subject: *Re: Walgreens Development in Sabraton
Could someone re-clarify to me what we discussed concerning Plan B? Thanks.
-Jonathan
On 6/6/2012 9:55 AM, Ella Belling wrote:
Hi all, I have added me, Mark Wise, and Bill Austin to your email on this. Thank you for some time on this. I appreciate that there is increased sight line visibility but am most concerned about the plan for a Walgreens exit (right turn only) onto Greenbag Road. This is very close to the trail crossing and drivers will only be looking to left for oncoming traffic.
I would like to make a plea for a pedestrian / bike crossing stop light at the trail, especially if this is to become a truck route in the future. We have thousands of trail users each year and this is one of our most popular areas. It is an important and well used crossing for cyclists and pedestrians. If it is a matter of cost, then I would like to open the door to partnering to fund it and will include MRTC as a possibility in that mix. Thanks, Ella
All:
The meeting with the Walgreen's developer is tentatively scheduled for Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 12:00 PM in the Engineering Conference Room at City Hall. We are awaiting confirmation from the developer. I will email the group to confirm the final date and time as soon as we hear back from the developer.
Respectfully,
Christopher M. Fletcher, AICP Director of Development Services Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org < http://www.montrails.org > 304-692-6782
Ella Belling Executive Director Mon River Trails Conservancy P.O. Box 282 Morgantown, WV 26507 www.montrails.org 304-692-6782
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