Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote: Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
I don't mind the "without fear" or "fearlessly". because really, when I ride in the road (in most circumstances), I am not any more afraid than a person is while driving a car. I used to be afraid when I first started riding and now not, ergo, aira is now more "fearless". I expect that most of us only feel the rush of fear when something unusual or dangerous happens, but you would feel that in a car too.
Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents.
that's a bit wordy, but I think it might be what we mean? aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.netwrote:
Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl@comcast.net
wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
I think I agree with Aira. When I'm riding, I don't have fear. It's not fear that keeps me safe. It's knowing what to look for, and then looking for it. Considering hazardous scenarios before they develop and either keeping them from happening, or getting out of the way when they do.
Example, I'm not afraid of pot holes or dogs, I'm aware and prepared for them. Maybe after I get hit by a coal truck I'll change my mind.
From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Aira Loren Burkhart Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:03 PM To: Morgantown Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Another election!
I don't mind the "without fear" or "fearlessly". because really, when I ride in the road (in most circumstances), I am not any more afraid than a person is while driving a car. I used to be afraid when I first started riding and now not, ergo, aira is now more "fearless". I expect that most of us only feel the rush of fear when something unusual or dangerous happens, but you would feel that in a car too.
Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents.
that's a bit wordy, but I think it might be what we mean? aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating?
Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
_______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
_______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
I like Aira's phrase too, but I'm still fearful. Even though I have a headlight on in the early morning and it's blinking, I am still afraid that some knuckle head is gonna pull out in front of me as I come zipping down Wiley. I see their bumpers nudge forward and I prepare myself for the worst, but I'm still a bit fearful.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ryan Post rpostwvu@gmail.com wrote:
I think I agree with Aira. When I’m riding, I don’t have fear. It’s not fear that keeps me safe. It’s knowing what to look for, and then looking for it. Considering hazardous scenarios before they develop and either keeping them from happening, or getting out of the way when they do.
Example, I’m not afraid of pot holes or dogs, I’m aware and prepared for them. Maybe after I get hit by a coal truck I’ll change my mind.
From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Aira Loren Burkhart Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:03 PM To: Morgantown Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Another election!
I don't mind the "without fear" or "fearlessly". because really, when I ride in the road (in most circumstances), I am not any more afraid than a person is while driving a car. I used to be afraid when I first started riding and now not, ergo, aira is now more "fearless". I expect that most of us only feel the rush of fear when something unusual or dangerous happens, but you would feel that in a car too.
Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents.
that's a bit wordy, but I think it might be what we mean? aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating?
Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
If there is one thing we should fear as a stumbling block to the success of the Bicycle Board, it is the fear of parents. I am attaching a good read titled "Nothing but fear itself". While this article applies to walking, namely parents fears of strangers (just ask the school board), parents find similar fears why their children can't be riding .. like "It isn't safe.". Let's be honest here, for the vast majority of us who have ridden consistently throughout our life from childhood onwards, it was our parents who were both encouraging and supportive of bicycling. Unfortunately, I am meeting lots of parents today who completely discourage their children from bicycling, and their children grow-up doing the exact same thing. How can we end this maddening (anti) cycle, and end the fears of parents?
-Jonathan
Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I like Aira's phrase too, but I'm still fearful. Even though I have a headlight on in the early morning and it's blinking, I am still afraid that some knuckle head is gonna pull out in front of me as I come zipping down Wiley. I see their bumpers nudge forward and I prepare myself for the worst, but I'm still a bit fearful.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ryan Post rpostwvu@gmail.com wrote:
I think I agree with Aira. When I’m riding, I don’t have fear. It’s not fear that keeps me safe. It’s knowing what to look for, and then looking for it. Considering hazardous scenarios before they develop and either keeping them from happening, or getting out of the way when they do.
Example, I’m not afraid of pot holes or dogs, I’m aware and prepared for them. Maybe after I get hit by a coal truck I’ll change my mind.
From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Aira Loren Burkhart Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:03 PM To: Morgantown Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Another election!
I don't mind the "without fear" or "fearlessly". because really, when I ride in the road (in most circumstances), I am not any more afraid than a person is while driving a car. I used to be afraid when I first started riding and now not, ergo, aira is now more "fearless". I expect that most of us only feel the rush of fear when something unusual or dangerous happens, but you would feel that in a car too.
Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents.
that's a bit wordy, but I think it might be what we mean? aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating?
Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Ahh... You forgot to vote Jonathan. Do your civic duty boy.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
If there is one thing we should fear as a stumbling block to the success of the Bicycle Board, it is the fear of parents. I am attaching a good read titled "Nothing but fear itself". While this article applies to walking, namely parents fears of strangers (just ask the school board), parents find similar fears why their children can't be riding .. like "It isn't safe.". Let's be honest here, for the vast majority of us who have ridden consistently throughout our life from childhood onwards, it was our parents who were both encouraging and supportive of bicycling. Unfortunately, I am meeting lots of parents today who completely discourage their children from bicycling, and their children grow-up doing the exact same thing. How can we end this maddening (anti) cycle, and end the fears of parents?
-Jonathan
Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I like Aira's phrase too, but I'm still fearful. Even though I have a headlight on in the early morning and it's blinking, I am still afraid that some knuckle head is gonna pull out in front of me as I come zipping down Wiley. I see their bumpers nudge forward and I prepare myself for the worst, but I'm still a bit fearful.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ryan Post rpostwvu@gmail.com wrote:
I think I agree with Aira. When I’m riding, I don’t have fear. It’s not fear that keeps me safe. It’s knowing what to look for, and then looking for it. Considering hazardous scenarios before they develop and either keeping them from happening, or getting out of the way when they do.
Example, I’m not afraid of pot holes or dogs, I’m aware and prepared for them. Maybe after I get hit by a coal truck I’ll change my mind.
From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Aira Loren Burkhart Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:03 PM To: Morgantown Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Another election!
I don't mind the "without fear" or "fearlessly". because really, when I ride in the road (in most circumstances), I am not any more afraid than a person is while driving a car. I used to be afraid when I first started riding and now not, ergo, aira is now more "fearless". I expect that most of us only feel the rush of fear when something unusual or dangerous happens, but you would feel that in a car too.
Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents.
that's a bit wordy, but I think it might be what we mean? aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating?
Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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Confident City Cycling ~Tame Parental fears
-Jonathan
On 10/19/2010 8:04 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
Ahh... You forgot to vote Jonathan. Do your civic duty boy.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
If there is one thing we should fear as a stumbling block to the success of the Bicycle Board, it is the fear of parents. I am attaching a good read titled "Nothing but fear itself". While this article applies to walking, namely parents fears of strangers (just ask the school board), parents find similar fears why their children can't be riding .. like "It isn't safe.". Let's be honest here, for the vast majority of us who have ridden consistently throughout our life from childhood onwards, it was our parents who were both encouraging and supportive of bicycling. Unfortunately, I am meeting lots of parents today who completely discourage their children from bicycling, and their children grow-up doing the exact same thing. How can we end this maddening (anti) cycle, and end the fears of parents?
-Jonathan
Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I like Aira's phrase too, but I'm still fearful. Even though I have a headlight on in the early morning and it's blinking, I am still afraid that some knuckle head is gonna pull out in front of me as I come zipping down Wiley. I see their bumpers nudge forward and I prepare myself for the worst, but I'm still a bit fearful.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ryan Postrpostwvu@gmail.com wrote:
I think I agree with Aira. When I’m riding, I don’t have fear. It’s not fear that keeps me safe. It’s knowing what to look for, and then looking for it. Considering hazardous scenarios before they develop and either keeping them from happening, or getting out of the way when they do.
Example, I’m not afraid of pot holes or dogs, I’m aware and prepared for them. Maybe after I get hit by a coal truck I’ll change my mind.
From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Aira Loren Burkhart Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:03 PM To: Morgantown Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Another election!
I don't mind the "without fear" or "fearlessly". because really, when I ride in the road (in most circumstances), I am not any more afraid than a person is while driving a car. I used to be afraid when I first started riding and now not, ergo, aira is now more "fearless". I expect that most of us only feel the rush of fear when something unusual or dangerous happens, but you would feel that in a car too.
Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents.
that's a bit wordy, but I think it might be what we mean? aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Frank Gmeindlfrank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating?
Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindlfrank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black& white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
Confident City Cycling ~Tame Parental fears
No, vote for which card design you like!! Pay attention please. :)
-Jonathan
On 10/19/2010 8:04 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
Ahh... You forgot to vote Jonathan. Do your civic duty boy.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
If there is one thing we should fear as a stumbling block to the success of the Bicycle Board, it is the fear of parents. I am attaching a good read titled "Nothing but fear itself". While this article applies to walking, namely parents fears of strangers (just ask the school board), parents find similar fears why their children can't be riding .. like "It isn't safe.". Let's be honest here, for the vast majority of us who have ridden consistently throughout our life from childhood onwards, it was our parents who were both encouraging and supportive of bicycling. Unfortunately, I am meeting lots of parents today who completely discourage their children from bicycling, and their children grow-up doing the exact same thing. How can we end this maddening (anti) cycle, and end the fears of parents?
-Jonathan
Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I like Aira's phrase too, but I'm still fearful. Even though I have a headlight on in the early morning and it's blinking, I am still afraid that some knuckle head is gonna pull out in front of me as I come zipping down Wiley. I see their bumpers nudge forward and I prepare myself for the worst, but I'm still a bit fearful.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ryan Postrpostwvu@gmail.com wrote:
I think I agree with Aira. When I’m riding, I don’t have fear. It’s not fear that keeps me safe. It’s knowing what to look for, and then looking for it. Considering hazardous scenarios before they develop and either keeping them from happening, or getting out of the way when they do.
Example, I’m not afraid of pot holes or dogs, I’m aware and prepared for them. Maybe after I get hit by a coal truck I’ll change my mind.
From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Aira Loren Burkhart Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:03 PM To: Morgantown Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Another election!
I don't mind the "without fear" or "fearlessly". because really, when I ride in the road (in most circumstances), I am not any more afraid than a person is while driving a car. I used to be afraid when I first started riding and now not, ergo, aira is now more "fearless". I expect that most of us only feel the rush of fear when something unusual or dangerous happens, but you would feel that in a car too.
Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents.
that's a bit wordy, but I think it might be what we mean? aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Frank Gmeindlfrank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating?
Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindlfrank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black& white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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I will do that. BB, from a design perspective, #2 looks the least busy. I'm not trying to influence any person's vote here. ;)
-Jonathan
On 10/19/2010 8:15 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
Confident City Cycling ~Tame Parental fears
No, vote for which card design you like!! Pay attention please. :)
-Jonathan
On 10/19/2010 8:04 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
Ahh... You forgot to vote Jonathan. Do your civic duty boy.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
If there is one thing we should fear as a stumbling block to the success of the Bicycle Board, it is the fear of parents. I am attaching a good read titled "Nothing but fear itself". While this article applies to walking, namely parents fears of strangers (just ask the school board), parents find similar fears why their children can't be riding .. like "It isn't safe.". Let's be honest here, for the vast majority of us who have ridden consistently throughout our life from childhood onwards, it was our parents who were both encouraging and supportive of bicycling. Unfortunately, I am meeting lots of parents today who completely discourage their children from bicycling, and their children grow-up doing the exact same thing. How can we end this maddening (anti) cycle, and end the fears of parents?
-Jonathan
Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I like Aira's phrase too, but I'm still fearful. Even though I have a headlight on in the early morning and it's blinking, I am still afraid that some knuckle head is gonna pull out in front of me as I come zipping down Wiley. I see their bumpers nudge forward and I prepare myself for the worst, but I'm still a bit fearful.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ryan Postrpostwvu@gmail.com wrote:
I think I agree with Aira. When I’m riding, I don’t have fear. It’s not fear that keeps me safe. It’s knowing what to look for, and then looking for it. Considering hazardous scenarios before they develop and either keeping them from happening, or getting out of the way when they do.
Example, I’m not afraid of pot holes or dogs, I’m aware and prepared for them. Maybe after I get hit by a coal truck I’ll change my mind.
From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Aira Loren Burkhart Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:03 PM To: Morgantown Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Another election!
I don't mind the "without fear" or "fearlessly". because really, when I ride in the road (in most circumstances), I am not any more afraid than a person is while driving a car. I used to be afraid when I first started riding and now not, ergo, aira is now more "fearless". I expect that most of us only feel the rush of fear when something unusual or dangerous happens, but you would feel that in a car too.
Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents.
that's a bit wordy, but I think it might be what we mean? aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Frank Gmeindlfrank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating?
Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindlfrank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black& white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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Jonathan,
Excellent paper! Thanks for sharing it. While it recognizes that parents' fears are irrational yet real and probably due to changes in our individual and community lifestyles that result in a decline in trust of others to look out for our children, it reinforces why I think the card should say "Learn to Ride without Fear" rather than "Learn to Ride with Confidence".
When we made the original ad that's been running in the DP 4 days a week since March that shows the kid on the bike and the tag line "Rediscover the Joy and Freedom of Riding Your Bike", we were trying to send a message to adults and parents that cycling can still be pleasant and fun if they took CCC TS101. That didn't work.
I think we have to get both the parents and their children to learn to ride without fear. I learned that when I took Traffic Skills 101. Until then, I had fear. Now, I hardly do. How do we get others to realize that? We could try to implement the suggestions near the end of your paper, and I think we should, but beyond the scope of the bicycle board.
How can we end this maddening (anti) cycle, and end the fears of parents? Persuade them to take CCC TS101 where they will "Learn to Ride without Fear".
Maybe Aira's "Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents." is a better way of saying it.
I was going to keep quiet until the last words were in on this and then just go with the group consensus but after reading your paper, I couldn't keep quiet. I'll still go with the consensus though.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote:
If there is one thing we should fear as a stumbling block to the success of the Bicycle Board, it is the fear of parents. I am attaching a good read titled "Nothing but fear itself". While this article applies to walking, namely parents fears of strangers (just ask the school board), parents find similar fears why their children can't be riding .. like "It isn't safe.". Let's be honest here, for the vast majority of us who have ridden consistently throughout our life from childhood onwards, it was our parents who were both encouraging and supportive of bicycling. Unfortunately, I am meeting lots of parents today who completely discourage their children from bicycling, and their children grow-up doing the exact same thing. How can we end this maddening (anti) cycle, and end the fears of parents?
-Jonathan
Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I like Aira's phrase too, but I'm still fearful. Even though I have a headlight on in the early morning and it's blinking, I am still afraid that some knuckle head is gonna pull out in front of me as I come zipping down Wiley. I see their bumpers nudge forward and I prepare myself for the worst, but I'm still a bit fearful.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ryan Post rpostwvu@gmail.com wrote:
I think I agree with Aira. When I’m riding, I don’t have fear. It’s not fear that keeps me safe. It’s knowing what to look for, and then looking for it. Considering hazardous scenarios before they develop and either keeping them from happening, or getting out of the way when they do.
Example, I’m not afraid of pot holes or dogs, I’m aware and prepared for them. Maybe after I get hit by a coal truck I’ll change my mind.
From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Aira Loren Burkhart Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:03 PM To: Morgantown Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Another election!
I don't mind the "without fear" or "fearlessly". because really, when I ride in the road (in most circumstances), I am not any more afraid than a person is while driving a car. I used to be afraid when I first started riding and now not, ergo, aira is now more "fearless". I expect that most of us only feel the rush of fear when something unusual or dangerous happens, but you would feel that in a car too.
Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents.
that's a bit wordy, but I think it might be what we mean? aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating?
Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
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I am continually swayed by every good argument!
if confidence didn't work, as frank mentioned, maybe we should stick with fear.
or maybe we should poll our friends who aren't affiliated with the bikeboard: "fear or confidence?" since we all have our strong opinions and what we really want are other people's strong opinions, not our own!
aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.netwrote:
Jonathan,
Excellent paper! Thanks for sharing it. While it recognizes that parents' fears are irrational yet real and probably due to changes in our individual and community lifestyles that result in a decline in trust of others to look out for our children, it reinforces why I think the card should say "Learn to Ride without Fear" rather than "Learn to Ride with Confidence".
When we made the original ad that's been running in the DP 4 days a week since March that shows the kid on the bike and the tag line "Rediscover the Joy and Freedom of Riding Your Bike", we were trying to send a message to adults and parents that cycling can still be pleasant and fun if they took CCC TS101. That didn't work.
I think we have to get both the parents and their children to learn to ride without fear. I learned that when I took Traffic Skills 101. Until then, I had fear. Now, I hardly do. How do we get others to realize that? We could try to implement the suggestions near the end of your paper, and I think we should, but beyond the scope of the bicycle board.
How can we end this maddening (anti) cycle, and end the fears of parents? Persuade them to take CCC TS101 where they will "Learn to Ride without Fear".
Maybe Aira's "Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents." is a better way of saying it.
I was going to keep quiet until the last words were in on this and then just go with the group consensus but after reading your paper, I couldn't keep quiet. I'll still go with the consensus though.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote:
If there is one thing we should fear as a stumbling block to the success of the Bicycle Board, it is the fear of parents. I am attaching a good read titled "Nothing but fear itself". While this article applies to walking, namely parents fears of strangers (just ask the school board), parents find similar fears why their children can't be riding .. like "It isn't safe.". Let's be honest here, for the vast majority of us who have ridden consistently throughout our life from childhood onwards, it was our parents who were both encouraging and supportive of bicycling. Unfortunately, I am meeting lots of parents today who completely discourage their children from bicycling, and their children grow-up doing the exact same thing. How can we end this maddening (anti) cycle, and end the fears of parents?
-Jonathan
Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I like Aira's phrase too, but I'm still fearful. Even though I have a headlight on in the early morning and it's blinking, I am still afraid that some knuckle head is gonna pull out in front of me as I come zipping down Wiley. I see their bumpers nudge forward and I prepare myself for the worst, but I'm still a bit fearful.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ryan Post rpostwvu@gmail.com rpostwvu@gmail.com wrote:
I think I agree with Aira. When I’m riding, I don’t have fear. It’s not fear that keeps me safe. It’s knowing what to look for, and then looking for it. Considering hazardous scenarios before they develop and either keeping them from happening, or getting out of the way when they do.
Example, I’m not afraid of pot holes or dogs, I’m aware and prepared for them. Maybe after I get hit by a coal truck I’ll change my mind.
From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Aira Loren Burkhart Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:03 PM To: Morgantown Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Another election!
I don't mind the "without fear" or "fearlessly". because really, when I ride in the road (in most circumstances), I am not any more afraid than a person is while driving a car. I used to be afraid when I first started riding and now not, ergo, aira is now more "fearless". I expect that most of us only feel the rush of fear when something unusual or dangerous happens, but you would feel that in a car too.
Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents.
that's a bit wordy, but I think it might be what we mean? aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating?
Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
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On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Aira Loren Burkhart wrote:
I am continually swayed by every good argument!
if confidence didn't work, as frank mentioned, maybe we should stick with fear.
or maybe we should poll our friends who aren't affiliated with the bikeboard: "fear or confidence?" since we all have our strong opinions and what we really want are other people's strong opinions, not our own!
No problem. We the members are supposed to represent the residents of the wards in which we reside or the members of the groups that elected us to the BB e.g. the WVU Cycling Club and the Youth Commission.
aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote: Jonathan,
Excellent paper! Thanks for sharing it. While it recognizes that parents' fears are irrational yet real and probably due to changes in our individual and community lifestyles that result in a decline in trust of others to look out for our children, it reinforces why I think the card should say "Learn to Ride without Fear" rather than "Learn to Ride with Confidence".
When we made the original ad that's been running in the DP 4 days a week since March that shows the kid on the bike and the tag line "Rediscover the Joy and Freedom of Riding Your Bike", we were trying to send a message to adults and parents that cycling can still be pleasant and fun if they took CCC TS101. That didn't work.
I think we have to get both the parents and their children to learn to ride without fear. I learned that when I took Traffic Skills 101. Until then, I had fear. Now, I hardly do. How do we get others to realize that? We could try to implement the suggestions near the end of your paper, and I think we should, but beyond the scope of the bicycle board.
How can we end this maddening (anti) cycle, and end the fears of parents? Persuade them to take CCC TS101 where they will "Learn to Ride without Fear".
Maybe Aira's "Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents." is a better way of saying it.
I was going to keep quiet until the last words were in on this and then just go with the group consensus but after reading your paper, I couldn't keep quiet. I'll still go with the consensus though.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote:
If there is one thing we should fear as a stumbling block to the success of the Bicycle Board, it is the fear of parents. I am attaching a good read titled "Nothing but fear itself". While this article applies to walking, namely parents fears of strangers (just ask the school board), parents find similar fears why their children can't be riding .. like "It isn't safe.". Let's be honest here, for the vast majority of us who have ridden consistently throughout our life from childhood onwards, it was our parents who were both encouraging and supportive of bicycling. Unfortunately, I am meeting lots of parents today who completely discourage their children from bicycling, and their children grow-up doing the exact same thing. How can we end this maddening (anti) cycle, and end the fears of parents?
-Jonathan
Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I like Aira's phrase too, but I'm still fearful. Even though I have a headlight on in the early morning and it's blinking, I am still afraid that some knuckle head is gonna pull out in front of me as I come zipping down Wiley. I see their bumpers nudge forward and I prepare myself for the worst, but I'm still a bit fearful.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ryan Post rpostwvu@gmail.com wrote:
I think I agree with Aira. When I’m riding, I don’t have fear. It’s not fear that keeps me safe. It’s knowing what to look for, and then looking for it. Considering hazardous scenarios before they develop and either keeping them from happening, or getting out of the way when they do.
Example, I’m not afraid of pot holes or dogs, I’m aware and prepared for them. Maybe after I get hit by a coal truck I’ll change my mind.
From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Aira Loren Burkhart Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:03 PM To: Morgantown Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Another election!
I don't mind the "without fear" or "fearlessly". because really, when I ride in the road (in most circumstances), I am not any more afraid than a person is while driving a car. I used to be afraid when I first started riding and now not, ergo, aira is now more "fearless". I expect that most of us only feel the rush of fear when something unusual or dangerous happens, but you would feel that in a car too.
Confident City Cycling ~ Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents.
that's a bit wordy, but I think it might be what we mean? aira
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks, Alice. I'm not sure I understand the wording change you're proposing. Confident City Cycling in stead, less intimidating? Please give me the wording to put on the card.
Frank
On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alice Vernon wrote:
I like the third one but do not like the "Cycling without fear" as Gunnar said. I ride with confidence but fear as well as it keeps me alive. What about Confident Cycling in stead, less intimidating?
Alice
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
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