Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks, Andrew
Andrew R. Walker Pathfinder of West Virginia 235 High Street Morgantown Wv 26505 (304)296-0076
How about the parents of the children that will ride their bikes to school donating to the cause.
J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM AssistantCity Engineer City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV26505 Office: 304.284.7398 Fax: 304.284.7409 www.MorgantownWV.gov
----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Pathfinder andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com To: Bike Board bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 19:33:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
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When it comes to rack design, I advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good list at http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm :
* support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel * allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when both wheels are left on the bike * allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if the front wheel is removed * allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock * be securely anchored * be usable by bikes with no kickstand * be usable by bikes with water bottle cages * be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle
I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is significant, emphasize that to Chelsea.
However, I would like well designed racks to be installed because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks really aren't suitable for a school environment.
-Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote:
Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks, Andrew
Andrew R. Walker Pathfinder of West Virginia 235 High Street Morgantown Wv 26505 (304)296-0076
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
I was on the advisory committee when WVU installed the new racks, and Jonathan had a lot of information on different racks then. At the time WVU had 2 types: some simple comb deal with a lot of slots closely together, and a really bad design that held the lower portion of just one wheel. I never had much issue with the comb racks, either putting my rear wheel in, or putting my front wheel over (the bike then rested on the underside of the downtube and fork. The combs could hold a lot of bikes closely together. My MTB with fenders wouldn't fit in the smaller combs, but I could lock it on the side of the rack.
The new WVU U shaped racks work well, but they consume A LOT of space and were overly expensive. The useful ones were always full (less capacity than the combs had). The serpentine ones like at the rec center are pretty good, though awkward to overfill so still not able to store say 8bikes on the rack.
In terms of locking both wheels and frame, the comb would require a 6' lock, but I was never that worried about locking more than the frame, and maybe a wheel in Morgantown.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum < jr@wvcompletestreets.org> wrote:
When it comes to rack design, I advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good list at http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm :
- support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel
- allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when both
wheels are left on the bike
- allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if the
front wheel is removed
- allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock
- be securely anchored
- be usable by bikes with no kickstand
- be usable by bikes with water bottle cages
- be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle
I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is significant, emphasize that to Chelsea.
However, I would like well designed racks to be installed because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks really aren't suitable for a school environment. -Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote:
Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks, Andrew
Andrew R. Walker Pathfinder of West Virginia 235 High Street Morgantown Wv 26505(304)296-0076
Bikeboard mailing listBikeboard@bikemorgantown.comhttp://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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The attached comb rack similar to those in front of Terra Cafe offer the advantage of being able to string a cable lock through the bicycle frame, both wheels and under the horizontal bar on the rack that keeps the wheel from rolling out of the rack. The other comb racks have that bar setting flat on the ground so you can't get a cable around it.
The biggest disadvantage of comb racks is that it's difficult to lock both wheels and frame to them.
Wave racks damage bikes and do not provide sufficient support to keep the bike from getting dinged unless you treat it as an inverted-U rack and lock your bike along the longitudinal axis of the rack but then that limits the capacity to probably 2-4.
On Mar 8, 2013, at 12:19 AM, Ryan Post wrote:
I was on the advisory committee when WVU installed the new racks, and Jonathan had a lot of information on different racks then. At the time WVU had 2 types: some simple comb deal with a lot of slots closely together, and a really bad design that held the lower portion of just one wheel. I never had much issue with the comb racks, either putting my rear wheel in, or putting my front wheel over (the bike then rested on the underside of the downtube and fork. The combs could hold a lot of bikes closely together. My MTB with fenders wouldn't fit in the smaller combs, but I could lock it on the side of the rack.
The new WVU U shaped racks work well, but they consume A LOT of space and were overly expensive. The useful ones were always full (less capacity than the combs had). The serpentine ones like at the rec center are pretty good, though awkward to overfill so still not able to store say 8bikes on the rack.
In terms of locking both wheels and frame, the comb would require a 6' lock, but I was never that worried about locking more than the frame, and maybe a wheel in Morgantown.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org wrote: When it comes to rack design, I advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good list at http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm : support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when both wheels are left on the bike allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if the front wheel is removed allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock be securely anchored be usable by bikes with no kickstand be usable by bikes with water bottle cages be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is significant, emphasize that to Chelsea. However, I would like well designed racks to be installed because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks really aren't suitable for a school environment. -Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote:
Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks, Andrew
Andrew R. Walker Pathfinder of West Virginia 235 High Street Morgantown Wv 26505 (304)296-0076
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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Jonathan,
Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks.
J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM Assistant City Engineer City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown , WV 26505 Office: 304.284.7398 Fax: 304.284.7409 www.MorgantownWV.gov ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Rosenbaum" jr@wvcompletestreets.org To: "Andrew Pathfinder" andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com Cc: "Bike Board" bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
When it comes to rack design, I advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good list at http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm :
* support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel * allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when both wheels are left on the bike * allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if the front wheel is removed * allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock * be securely anchored * be usable by bikes with no kickstand * be usable by bikes with water bottle cages * be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle
I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is significant, emphasize that to Chelsea.
However, I would like well designed racks to be installed because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks really aren't suitable for a school environment. -Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote:
Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks, Andrew
Andrew R. Walker Pathfinder of West Virginia 235 High Street Morgantown Wv 26505 (304)296-0076
_______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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Damien,
Thank-you for discussing the bike rack with Principal Napolillo! I will not be able to do that today, but I may be able to get some photos taken by this weekend with the help of one of the core volunteers who has a key to the facility.
-Jonathan
On 03/08/2013 09:03 AM, Damien Davis wrote:
Jonathan,
Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks.
*J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM*
*Assistant****City**Engineer*
**City of Morgantown
Public Works Department - Engineering Division
389 Spruce Street
Morgantown, WV26505
Office: 304.284.7398
Fax: 304.284.7409
www.MorgantownWV.gov
*From: *"Jonathan Rosenbaum" jr@wvcompletestreets.org *To: *"Andrew Pathfinder" andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com *Cc: *"Bike Board" bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
When it comes to rack design, I advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good list at http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm :
- support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel
- allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when both wheels are left on the bike
- allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if the front wheel is removed
- allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock
- be securely anchored
- be usable by bikes with no kickstand
- be usable by bikes with water bottle cages
- be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle
I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is significant, emphasize that to Chelsea.
However, I would like well designed racks to be installed because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks really aren't suitable for a school environment.
-Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote:
Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture. Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400. I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school. There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate. Thanks, Andrew Andrew R. Walker Pathfinder of West Virginia 235 High Street Morgantown Wv 26505 (304)296-0076 _______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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Here are links to photos of the rack that PS wants to donate to Suncrest Middle School, and a brief discussion:
http://ecm.wvcompletestreets.org/share/s/XT95byapQKmxs78D8DkanQ Product Identification
http://ecm.wvcompletestreets.org/share/s/TsKDUkLCQuO16SoIPCey7w Not the greatest opportunity for secure attachment to the ground.
http://ecm.wvcompletestreets.org/share/s/Kl4tZc_fR8y_3e96X3ELaw Photo of one of the 6-bike racks. There are two of them.
http://ecm.wvcompletestreets.org/share/s/VyGaJzWLTV2FJtcjR1eOAA
I had to have Jen, PS core volunteer, hold the new recycled 80's Miyata I purchased from PS to keep it from falling. Nice bicycle and the essence of what PS is all about; it took me many hours of labor to repair in exchange for an amazing road bicycle with those elliptical chain rings that were popular in the 80's. The point is that this bicycle has wide tires in relation to current standards, but this rack could not keep it upright on its own.
http://ecm.wvcompletestreets.org/share/s/ji5molIPQQajIx_kL1PtkQ Closer photo of the discrepancy in tire sizing and toast rack.
http://ecm.wvcompletestreets.org/share/s/O07y4LrpQm6yEQfSPCp3eQ
This is kids bicycle with wide tires. It is leaning waiting for an opportunity to fall, probably would work o.k. in a quiet environment, but not in a school environment.
http://ecm.wvcompletestreets.org/share/s/Lh9BzzQ6Rge-YNF3HlQDsQ
Not the bicycle rack, but this is a photo of all the donated bicycles that have been accruing. Many are donated by Walmart. This is going to be a great opportunity for wrenchers when we open up in April to prepare for our most popular event, Trade-up Day.
-Jonathan
On 03/08/2013 02:05 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote:
Damien,
Thank-you for discussing the bike rack with Principal Napolillo! I will not be able to do that today, but I may be able to get some photos taken by this weekend with the help of one of the core volunteers who has a key to the facility.
-Jonathan
On 03/08/2013 09:03 AM, Damien Davis wrote:
Jonathan,
Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks.
*J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM*
*Assistant****City**Engineer*
**City of Morgantown
Public Works Department - Engineering Division
389 Spruce Street
Morgantown, WV26505
Office: 304.284.7398
Fax: 304.284.7409
www.MorgantownWV.gov
*From: *"Jonathan Rosenbaum" jr@wvcompletestreets.org *To: *"Andrew Pathfinder" andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com *Cc: *"Bike Board" bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
When it comes to rack design, I advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good list at http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm :
- support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel
- allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when both wheels are left on the bike
- allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if the front wheel is removed
- allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock
- be securely anchored
- be usable by bikes with no kickstand
- be usable by bikes with water bottle cages
- be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle
I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is significant, emphasize that to Chelsea.
However, I would like well designed racks to be installed because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks really aren't suitable for a school environment.
-Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote:
Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture. Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400. I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school. There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate. Thanks, Andrew Andrew R. Walker Pathfinder of West Virginia 235 High Street Morgantown Wv 26505 (304)296-0076 _______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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Let's select a rack we can be proud of, then ask around For donations, I'll kick in some and Ask some neighbors. Maybe ask some parents at the school to donate, put up a plaque..
How much do we need, which rack?
Jenny
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On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:04 AM, "Damien Davis" ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org wrote:
Jonathan,
Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks.
J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM
Assistant City Engineer
City of Morgantown
Public Works Department - Engineering Division
389 Spruce Street
Morgantown, WV 26505
Office: 304.284.7398
Fax: 304.284.7409
www.MorgantownWV.gov
From: "Jonathan Rosenbaum" jr@wvcompletestreets.org To: "Andrew Pathfinder" andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com Cc: "Bike Board" bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
When it comes to rack design, I advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good list at http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm : support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when both wheels are left on the bike allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if the front wheel is removed allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock be securely anchored be usable by bikes with no kickstand be usable by bikes with water bottle cages be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is significant, emphasize that to Chelsea. However, I would like well designed racks to be installed because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks really aren't suitable for a school environment. -Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote: Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks, Andrew
Andrew R. Walker Pathfinder of West Virginia 235 High Street Morgantown Wv 26505 (304)296-0076
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com http://wvcompletestreets.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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All,
Do you want me to see about getting the Positive Spin bicycle rack delivered to Suncrest Middle or should I wait to see if you get enough donations to purchase a new one?
J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM AssistantCity Engineer City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV26505 Office: 304.284.7398 Fax: 304.284.7409 www.MorgantownWV.gov
----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Selin jselin@hotmail.com To: ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org Cc: Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org, Bike Board bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com, Andrew Pathfinder andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com Sent: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:19:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
Let's select a rack we can be proud of, then ask around For donations, I'll kick in some and Ask some neighbors. Maybe ask some parents at the school to donate, put up a plaque..
How much do we need, which rack?
Jenny
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:04 AM, "Damien Davis" ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org wrote:
Jonathan,
Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks.
J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM AssistantCity Engineer City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV26505 Office: 304.284.7398 Fax: 304.284.7409 www.MorgantownWV.gov
From: "Jonathan Rosenbaum" jr@wvcompletestreets.org To: "Andrew Pathfinder" andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com Cc: "Bike Board" bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
When it comes to rack design, I
advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good
list at
http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm
:
support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel
allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when
both wheels are left on the bike
allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if
the front wheel is removed
allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock
be securely anchored
be usable by bikes with no kickstand
be usable by bikes with water bottle cages
be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycleI will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest
Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I
was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is
significant, emphasize that to Chelsea.
However, I would like well designed racks to be installed
because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks
really aren't suitable for a school environment.
-Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote:
Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks,
Andrew
Andrew R. Walker
Pathfinder of West Virginia
235 High Street
Morgantown Wv 26505
(304)296-0076
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Hi All-
My impression from the meeting on Thursday was Matt was supposed to facilitate the delivery of the Positive Spin rack to Suncrest Middle since it was his initiative to begin with. Frank was going to pass on Matt/ Jack's (his father) phone number to follow up with him.
It sounds like the PS rack is available and the Suncrest principal is OK with locating the rack there so we just need Matt to take the initiative. Then, if folks want to raise funds to get a more suitable rack installed later, it can be replaced.
Has anyone made headway on raising funds/ a plan for getting a different rack in place? If not, I'd suggest connecting Matt/ Jack with Damien to arrange delivery of the PS rack.
Emily
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Damien Davis ddavis@cityofmorgantown.orgwrote:
All,
Do you want me to see about getting the Positive Spin bicycle rack delivered to Suncrest Middle or should I wait to see if you get enough donations to purchase a new one?
*J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM*
*Assistant****City** Engineer*
**City of Morgantown
Public Works Department - Engineering Division
389 Spruce Street
Morgantown, WV26505
Office: 304.284.7398
Fax: 304.284.7409
www.MorgantownWV.gov
----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Selin jselin@hotmail.com To: ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org Cc: Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org, Bike Board < bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com>, Andrew Pathfinder < andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com> Sent: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:19:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
Let's select a rack we can be proud of, then ask around For donations, I'll kick in some and Ask some neighbors. Maybe ask some parents at the school to donate, put up a plaque..
How much do we need, which rack?
Jenny
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:04 AM, "Damien Davis" ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org wrote:
Jonathan,
Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks.
*J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM*
*Assistant****City** Engineer*
**City of Morgantown
Public Works Department - Engineering Division
389 Spruce Street
Morgantown, WV26505
Office: 304.284.7398
Fax: 304.284.7409
www.MorgantownWV.gov
*From: *"Jonathan Rosenbaum" jr@wvcompletestreets.org *To: *"Andrew Pathfinder" andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com *Cc: *"Bike Board" bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
When it comes to rack design, I
advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good
list at
http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm
:
support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel
allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when
both wheels are left on the bike
allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if
the front wheel is removed
allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock
be securely anchored
be usable by bikes with no kickstand
be usable by bikes with water bottle cages
be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle
I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest
Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I
was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is
significant, emphasize that to Chelsea.
However, I would like well designed racks to be installed
because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks
really aren't suitable for a school environment.
-Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote:
Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks,
Andrew
Andrew R. Walker
Pathfinder of West Virginia
235 High Street
Morgantown Wv 26505
(304)296-0076
Bikeboard mailing list
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I recall there's some urgency in getting a rack installed so Matt can at least ride before he leaves Suncrest MS. The PS rack certainly isn't ideal but could be secured to the concreted with L-brackets. Even if left unsecured it's unlikely that anyone would be able to steal even one bike chained to the rack.
Let's get this rack over there and if Jenny/others can raise money for a better one, then as Emily points out the PS could be replaced- an opportunity for yet another bike recognition news item/ceremony.
-------------------------------------------
Stephen G. Graber
Biochem & Mol Pharmacology
PO Box 9142, HSN-3122
West Virginia University
Morgantown, WV 26506-9142
phone: 304-293-2305
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________________________________ From: bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com [bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com] On Behalf Of Emily Vasile [emilyvasile@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 11:27 AM To: ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org Cc: Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
Hi All-
My impression from the meeting on Thursday was Matt was supposed to facilitate the delivery of the Positive Spin rack to Suncrest Middle since it was his initiative to begin with. Frank was going to pass on Matt/ Jack's (his father) phone number to follow up with him.
It sounds like the PS rack is available and the Suncrest principal is OK with locating the rack there so we just need Matt to take the initiative. Then, if folks want to raise funds to get a more suitable rack installed later, it can be replaced.
Has anyone made headway on raising funds/ a plan for getting a different rack in place? If not, I'd suggest connecting Matt/ Jack with Damien to arrange delivery of the PS rack.
Emily
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Damien Davis <ddavis@cityofmorgantown.orgmailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org> wrote: All,
Do you want me to see about getting the Positive Spin bicycle rack delivered to Suncrest Middle or should I wait to see if you get enough donations to purchase a new one?
J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM AssistantCity Engineer City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV26505 Office: 304.284.7398tel:304.284.7398 Fax: 304.284.7409tel:304.284.7409 www.MorgantownWV.govhttps://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?2ejjpsuuodK6zAQsLf9EL6M0gS01S4WC80a6u8RcCXYCOMeujsKYedTdA95v8lSa1sxlK5LE2y4yLGw0txeFy7bCQSnXI6Qmn6rELKe9CShNI5-Aq83iScOa-gHIk3iWq81ChnPh02ZIlEq8dCq81yNeJjW6V-7PM76QjoUSUqejhOYYyUOrkKOxFZZi8A6d
----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Selin <jselin@hotmail.commailto:jselin@hotmail.com> To: ddavis@cityofmorgantown.orgmailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org Cc: Jonathan Rosenbaum <jr@wvcompletestreets.orgmailto:jr@wvcompletestreets.org>, Bike Board <bikeboard@bikemorgantown.commailto:bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com>, Andrew Pathfinder <andrew.pathfinder@gmail.commailto:andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com> Sent: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:19:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
Let's select a rack we can be proud of, then ask around For donations, I'll kick in some and Ask some neighbors. Maybe ask some parents at the school to donate, put up a plaque..
How much do we need, which rack?
Jenny
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:04 AM, "Damien Davis" <ddavis@cityofmorgantown.orgmailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org> wrote:
Jonathan,
Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks.
J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM AssistantCity Engineer City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV26505 Office: 304.284.7398tel:304.284.7398 Fax: 304.284.7409tel:304.284.7409 www.MorgantownWV.govhttps://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?zAQSn7DC3rxEVd7bPOqbNI04dw0txeFy02xDydj9K_9II3DATbL3ztPp2hnO5tywn8lrxrW0Ex8HWE07ojGoxOVJdB-X1J5BNCWbXzypJAsr1vF6y0QJzcyLAaX50QKCy0pAlYQg0Lr5q6y3pCy0oIjHk-xKvxYY1NJcSedK6zAQsLf8KcCSAqAKIXV
________________________________ From: "Jonathan Rosenbaum" <jr@wvcompletestreets.orgmailto:jr@wvcompletestreets.org> To: "Andrew Pathfinder" <andrew.pathfinder@gmail.commailto:andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com> Cc: "Bike Board" <bikeboard@bikemorgantown.commailto:bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
When it comes to rack design, I
advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good
list at
http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfmhttps://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?zAQSn7DC3rxEVd7bPOqbNI04gBoJo-k2cEeRU03DM8Ox_NB0zySNaOwhWPGFK_9II3DATbL3ztPp2hnO5tywn8lrxrW0Ex8HWE07ojGoxOVJdB-X1J5BNCWbXzypJAsr1vF6y0QJzcyLAaX50QKCy0pAlYQg0Lr5q6y3pCy0oIjHk-xKvxYY1NJASedK6zAQsLf8KcCNyjyR5X
:
* support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel
* allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when
both wheels are left on the bike
* allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if
the front wheel is removed
* allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock
* be securely anchored
* be usable by bikes with no kickstand
* be usable by bikes with water bottle cages
* be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle
I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest
Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I
was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is
significant, emphasize that to Chelsea.
However, I would like well designed racks to be installed
because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks
really aren't suitable for a school environment.
-Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote:
Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks,
Andrew
Andrew R. Walker
Pathfinder of West Virginia
235 High Street
Morgantown Wv 26505
(304)296-0076tel:%28304%29296-0076
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I don't want to slow things up. Better to get one in place.
The donation idea was more useful if the rack was clearly inappropriate And we really needed a different one.
Jenny
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 11, 2013, at 12:03 PM, "Graber, Stephen" sggraber@hsc.wvu.edu wrote:
I recall there's some urgency in getting a rack installed so Matt can at least ride before he leaves Suncrest MS. The PS rack certainly isn't ideal but could be secured to the concreted with L-brackets. Even if left unsecured it's unlikely that anyone would be able to steal even one bike chained to the rack.
Let's get this rack over there and if Jenny/others can raise money for a better one, then as Emily points out the PS could be replaced- an opportunity for yet another bike recognition news item/ceremony.
Stephen G. Graber Biochem & Mol Pharmacology PO Box 9142, HSN-3122 West Virginia University Morgantown, WV 26506-9142 phone: 304-293-2305
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From: bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com [bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com] On Behalf Of Emily Vasile [emilyvasile@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 11:27 AM To: ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org Cc: Bike Board Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
Hi All-
My impression from the meeting on Thursday was Matt was supposed to facilitate the delivery of the Positive Spin rack to Suncrest Middle since it was his initiative to begin with. Frank was going to pass on Matt/ Jack's (his father) phone number to follow up with him.
It sounds like the PS rack is available and the Suncrest principal is OK with locating the rack there so we just need Matt to take the initiative. Then, if folks want to raise funds to get a more suitable rack installed later, it can be replaced.
Has anyone made headway on raising funds/ a plan for getting a different rack in place? If not, I'd suggest connecting Matt/ Jack with Damien to arrange delivery of the PS rack.
Emily
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Damien Davis ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org wrote: All,
Do you want me to see about getting the Positive Spin bicycle rack delivered to Suncrest Middle or should I wait to see if you get enough donations to purchase a new one?
J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM AssistantCity Engineer City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV26505 Office: 304.284.7398 Fax: 304.284.7409 www.MorgantownWV.gov
----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Selin jselin@hotmail.com To: ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org Cc: Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org, Bike Board bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com, Andrew Pathfinder andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com Sent: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:19:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
Let's select a rack we can be proud of, then ask around For donations, I'll kick in some and Ask some neighbors. Maybe ask some parents at the school to donate, put up a plaque..
How much do we need, which rack?
Jenny
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:04 AM, "Damien Davis" ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org wrote:
Jonathan,
Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks.
J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM AssistantCity Engineer City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV26505 Office: 304.284.7398 Fax: 304.284.7409 www.MorgantownWV.gov
From: "Jonathan Rosenbaum" jr@wvcompletestreets.org To: "Andrew Pathfinder" andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com Cc: "Bike Board" bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
When it comes to rack design, I
advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good
list at
http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm
: support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel
allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when
both wheels are left on the bike
allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if
the front wheel is removed
allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock
be securely anchored
be usable by bikes with no kickstand
be usable by bikes with water bottle cages
be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest
Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I
was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is
significant, emphasize that to Chelsea. However, I would like well designed racks to be installed
because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks
really aren't suitable for a school environment.
-Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote: Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks,
Andrew
Andrew R. Walker
Pathfinder of West Virginia
235 High Street
Morgantown Wv 26505
(304)296-0076
Bikeboard mailing list
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I am pretty sure everyone knows my stance about this rack. When I attended Suncrest Middle School I rode a bicycle that had thin tires so I would not have been happy with this gift from PS.
However, the reason why I correlated this subject with the Sarris Corral contest at the meeting this Thursday is because this could be a possible opportunity to photograph the toast rack onsite, not that I am advocating we go this route. This is a school that has not had bicycle parking in at least 50 years, so waiting a few more months to locate an appropriate rack would not necessarily be a bad approach. Ultimately, I think this should be Matt's choice, I could arrange to have him check the rack out at Positive Spin.
If he is fine with using this rack, we should make it happen.
-Jonathan
On 03/11/2013 12:11 PM, Jennifer Selin wrote:
I don't want to slow things up. Better to get one in place.
The donation idea was more useful if the rack was clearly inappropriate And we really needed a different one.
Jenny
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 11, 2013, at 12:03 PM, "Graber, Stephen" <sggraber@hsc.wvu.edu mailto:sggraber@hsc.wvu.edu> wrote:
I recall there's some urgency in getting a rack installed so Matt can at least ride before he leaves Suncrest MS. The PS rack certainly isn't ideal but could be secured to the concreted with L-brackets. Even if left unsecured it's unlikely that anyone would be able to steal even one bike chained to the rack. Let's get this rack over there and if Jenny/others can raise money for a better one, then as Emily points out the PS could be replaced- an opportunity for yet another bike recognition news item/ceremony.
Stephen G. Graber
Biochem & Mol Pharmacology
PO Box 9142, HSN-3122
West Virginia University
Morgantown, WV 26506-9142
phone: 304-293-2305
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*From:* bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com mailto:bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com [bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com mailto:bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com] On Behalf Of Emily Vasile [emilyvasile@gmail.com mailto:emilyvasile@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2013 11:27 AM *To:* ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org mailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org *Cc:* Bike Board *Subject:* Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
Hi All-
My impression from the meeting on Thursday was Matt was supposed to facilitate the delivery of the Positive Spin rack to Suncrest Middle since it was his initiative to begin with. Frank was going to pass on Matt/ Jack's (his father) phone number to follow up with him.
It sounds like the PS rack is available and the Suncrest principal is OK with locating the rack there so we just need Matt to take the initiative. Then, if folks want to raise funds to get a more suitable rack installed later, it can be replaced.
Has anyone made headway on raising funds/ a plan for getting a different rack in place? If not, I'd suggest connecting Matt/ Jack with Damien to arrange delivery of the PS rack.
Emily
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Damien Davis <ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org mailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org> wrote:
All, Do you want me to see about getting the Positive Spin bicycle rack delivered to Suncrest Middle or should I wait to see if you get enough donations to purchase a new one? *J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM* *Assistant****City**Engineer* **City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV26505 Office: 304.284.7398 <tel:304.284.7398> Fax: 304.284.7409 <tel:304.284.7409> www.MorgantownWV.gov <https://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?2ejjpsuuodK6zAQsLf9EL6M0gS01S4WC80a6u8RcCXYCOMeujsKYedTdA95v8lSa1sxlK5LE2y4yLGw0txeFy7bCQSnXI6Qmn6rELKe9CShNI5-Aq83iScOa-gHIk3iWq81ChnPh02ZIlEq8dCq81yNeJjW6V-7PM76QjoUSUqejhOYYyUOrkKOxFZZi8A6d> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Selin <jselin@hotmail.com <mailto:jselin@hotmail.com>> To: ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org <mailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org> Cc: Jonathan Rosenbaum <jr@wvcompletestreets.org <mailto:jr@wvcompletestreets.org>>, Bike Board <bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com <mailto:bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com>>, Andrew Pathfinder <andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com <mailto:andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com>> Sent: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:19:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools Let's select a rack we can be proud of, then ask around For donations, I'll kick in some and Ask some neighbors. Maybe ask some parents at the school to donate, put up a plaque.. How much do we need, which rack? Jenny Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:04 AM, "Damien Davis" <ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org <mailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org>> wrote: Jonathan, Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks. *J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM* *Assistant****City**Engineer* **City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV26505 Office: 304.284.7398 <tel:304.284.7398> Fax: 304.284.7409 <tel:304.284.7409> www.MorgantownWV.gov <https://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?zAQSn7DC3rxEVd7bPOqbNI04dw0txeFy02xDydj9K_9II3DATbL3ztPp2hnO5tywn8lrxrW0Ex8HWE07ojGoxOVJdB-X1J5BNCWbXzypJAsr1vF6y0QJzcyLAaX50QKCy0pAlYQg0Lr5q6y3pCy0oIjHk-xKvxYY1NJcSedK6zAQsLf8KcCSAqAKIXV> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: *"Jonathan Rosenbaum" <jr@wvcompletestreets.org <mailto:jr@wvcompletestreets.org>> *To: *"Andrew Pathfinder" <andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com <mailto:andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com>> *Cc: *"Bike Board" <bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com <mailto:bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools When it comes to rack design, I advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good list at http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm <https://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?zAQSn7DC3rxEVd7bPOqbNI04gBoJo-k2cEeRU03DM8Ox_NB0zySNaOwhWPGFK_9II3DATbL3ztPp2hnO5tywn8lrxrW0Ex8HWE07ojGoxOVJdB-X1J5BNCWbXzypJAsr1vF6y0QJzcyLAaX50QKCy0pAlYQg0Lr5q6y3pCy0oIjHk-xKvxYY1NJASedK6zAQsLf8KcCNyjyR5X> : * support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel * allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when both wheels are left on the bike * allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if the front wheel is removed * allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock * be securely anchored * be usable by bikes with no kickstand * be usable by bikes with water bottle cages * be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is significant, emphasize that to Chelsea. However, I would like well designed racks to be installed because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks really aren't suitable for a school environment. -Jonathan On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote: Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture. Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400. I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school. There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate. Thanks, Andrew Andrew R. 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It looks like you could probably straddle the whole rack with a bike, and the wheel holder thingy would contact the crank arm or down tube. It's certainly not ideal, but it gets the job done.
Certainly would be nice to get a nice new 'perfect' rack in there, but if it were me, I'd be upset I didn't get to ride today...65degrees!?
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum < jr@wvcompletestreets.org> wrote:
I am pretty sure everyone knows my stance about this rack. When I attended Suncrest Middle School I rode a bicycle that had thin tires so I would not have been happy with this gift from PS.
However, the reason why I correlated this subject with the Sarris Corral contest at the meeting this Thursday is because this could be a possible opportunity to photograph the toast rack onsite, not that I am advocating we go this route. This is a school that has not had bicycle parking in at least 50 years, so waiting a few more months to locate an appropriate rack would not necessarily be a bad approach. Ultimately, I think this should be Matt's choice, I could arrange to have him check the rack out at Positive Spin.
If he is fine with using this rack, we should make it happen.
-Jonathan
On 03/11/2013 12:11 PM, Jennifer Selin wrote:
I don't want to slow things up. Better to get one in place.
The donation idea was more useful if the rack was clearly inappropriate And we really needed a different one.
Jenny
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 11, 2013, at 12:03 PM, "Graber, Stephen" sggraber@hsc.wvu.edu wrote:
I recall there's some urgency in getting a rack installed so Matt can at least ride before he leaves Suncrest MS. The PS rack certainly isn't ideal but could be secured to the concreted with L-brackets. Even if left unsecured it's unlikely that anyone would be able to steal even one bike chained to the rack.
Let's get this rack over there and if Jenny/others can raise money for a better one, then as Emily points out the PS could be replaced- an opportunity for yet another bike recognition news item/ceremony.
Stephen G. Graber
Biochem & Mol Pharmacology
PO Box 9142, HSN-3122
West Virginia University
Morgantown, WV 26506-9142
phone: 304-293-2305
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*From:* bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com [ bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com] On Behalf Of Emily Vasile [ emilyvasile@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2013 11:27 AM *To:* ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org *Cc:* Bike Board *Subject:* Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
Hi All-
My impression from the meeting on Thursday was Matt was supposed to facilitate the delivery of the Positive Spin rack to Suncrest Middle since it was his initiative to begin with. Frank was going to pass on Matt/ Jack's (his father) phone number to follow up with him.
It sounds like the PS rack is available and the Suncrest principal is OK with locating the rack there so we just need Matt to take the initiative. Then, if folks want to raise funds to get a more suitable rack installed later, it can be replaced.
Has anyone made headway on raising funds/ a plan for getting a different rack in place? If not, I'd suggest connecting Matt/ Jack with Damien to arrange delivery of the PS rack.
Emily
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Damien Davis <ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org
wrote:
All,
Do you want me to see about getting the Positive Spin bicycle rack delivered to Suncrest Middle or should I wait to see if you get enough donations to purchase a new one?
*J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM*
*Assistant****City** Engineer*
**City of Morgantown
Public Works Department - Engineering Division
389 Spruce Street
Morgantown, WV26505
Office: 304.284.7398
Fax: 304.284.7409
----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Selin jselin@hotmail.com To: ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org Cc: Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org, Bike Board < bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com>, Andrew Pathfinder < andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com> Sent: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:19:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
Let's select a rack we can be proud of, then ask around For donations, I'll kick in some and Ask some neighbors. Maybe ask some parents at the school to donate, put up a plaque..
How much do we need, which rack?
Jenny
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:04 AM, "Damien Davis" ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org wrote:
Jonathan,
Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks.
*J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM*
*Assistant****City** Engineer*
**City of Morgantown
Public Works Department - Engineering Division
389 Spruce Street
Morgantown, WV26505
Office: 304.284.7398
Fax: 304.284.7409
*From: *"Jonathan Rosenbaum" jr@wvcompletestreets.org *To: *"Andrew Pathfinder" andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com *Cc: *"Bike Board" bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
When it comes to rack design, I
advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good
list at
http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfmhttps://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?zAQSn7DC3rxEVd7bPOqbNI04gBoJo-k2cEeRU03DM8Ox_NB0zySNaOwhWPGFK_9II3DATbL3ztPp2hnO5tywn8lrxrW0Ex8HWE07ojGoxOVJdB-X1J5BNCWbXzypJAsr1vF6y0QJzcyLAaX50QKCy0pAlYQg0Lr5q6y3pCy0oIjHk-xKvxYY1NJASedK6zAQsLf8KcCNyjyR5X
:
support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel
allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when
both wheels are left on the bike - allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if the front wheel is removed - allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock - be securely anchored - be usable by bikes with no kickstand - be usable by bikes with water bottle cages - be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycleI will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest
Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I
was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is
significant, emphasize that to Chelsea.
However, I would like well designed racks to be installed
because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks
really aren't suitable for a school environment.
-Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote:
Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks,
Andrew
Andrew R. Walker
Pathfinder of West Virginia
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Morgantown Wv 26505 (304)296-0076
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When Nick donated this bicycle rack last Fall, I think he was doing it on the assumption that it was required almost immediately, and that it would not be a permanent solution. Also, the PTO would work on details over time. As long as the school recognizes this is only a temporary solution until a more appropriate rack is found, I would say go for it. What I do not want to see happen is that this gets heavily publicized, and every school in the district begins installing toast racks as the standard parking solution. We are behind in just about everything in this state, let us not become behind in bicycle parking standards!
-Jonathan
On 03/11/2013 04:25 PM, Ryan Post wrote:
It looks like you could probably straddle the whole rack with a bike, and the wheel holder thingy would contact the crank arm or down tube. It's certainly not ideal, but it gets the job done.
Certainly would be nice to get a nice new 'perfect' rack in there, but if it were me, I'd be upset I didn't get to ride today...65degrees!?
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum <jr@wvcompletestreets.org mailto:jr@wvcompletestreets.org> wrote:
I am pretty sure everyone knows my stance about this rack. When I attended Suncrest Middle School I rode a bicycle that had thin tires so I would not have been happy with this gift from PS. However, the reason why I correlated this subject with the Sarris Corral contest at the meeting this Thursday is because this could be a possible opportunity to photograph the toast rack onsite, not that I am advocating we go this route. This is a school that has not had bicycle parking in at least 50 years, so waiting a few more months to locate an appropriate rack would not necessarily be a bad approach. Ultimately, I think this should be Matt's choice, I could arrange to have him check the rack out at Positive Spin. If he is fine with using this rack, we should make it happen. -Jonathan On 03/11/2013 12:11 PM, Jennifer Selin wrote:I don't want to slow things up. Better to get one in place. The donation idea was more useful if the rack was clearly inappropriate And we really needed a different one. Jenny Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2013, at 12:03 PM, "Graber, Stephen" <sggraber@hsc.wvu.edu <mailto:sggraber@hsc.wvu.edu>> wrote:I recall there's some urgency in getting a rack installed so Matt can at least ride before he leaves Suncrest MS. The PS rack certainly isn't ideal but could be secured to the concreted with L-brackets. Even if left unsecured it's unlikely that anyone would be able to steal even one bike chained to the rack. Let's get this rack over there and if Jenny/others can raise money for a better one, then as Emily points out the PS could be replaced- an opportunity for yet another bike recognition news item/ceremony. ------------------------------------------- Stephen G. Graber Biochem & Mol Pharmacology PO Box 9142, HSN-3122 West Virginia University Morgantown, WV 26506-9142 phone: 304-293-2305 <tel:304-293-2305> ------ _0 ------ _ \<,_ ---- (*)/ (*) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com <mailto:bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com> [bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com <mailto:bikeboard-bounces@bikemorgantown.com>] On Behalf Of Emily Vasile [emilyvasile@gmail.com <mailto:emilyvasile@gmail.com>] *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2013 11:27 AM *To:* ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org <mailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org> *Cc:* Bike Board *Subject:* Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools Hi All- My impression from the meeting on Thursday was Matt was supposed to facilitate the delivery of the Positive Spin rack to Suncrest Middle since it was his initiative to begin with. Frank was going to pass on Matt/ Jack's (his father) phone number to follow up with him. It sounds like the PS rack is available and the Suncrest principal is OK with locating the rack there so we just need Matt to take the initiative. Then, if folks want to raise funds to get a more suitable rack installed later, it can be replaced. Has anyone made headway on raising funds/ a plan for getting a different rack in place? If not, I'd suggest connecting Matt/ Jack with Damien to arrange delivery of the PS rack. Emily On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Damien Davis <ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org <mailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org>> wrote: All, Do you want me to see about getting the Positive Spin bicycle rack delivered to Suncrest Middle or should I wait to see if you get enough donations to purchase a new one? *J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM* *Assistant****City**Engineer* **City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV26505 Office: 304.284.7398 <tel:304.284.7398> Fax: 304.284.7409 <tel:304.284.7409> www.MorgantownWV.gov <https://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?2ejjpsuuodK6zAQsLf9EL6M0gS01S4WC80a6u8RcCXYCOMeujsKYedTdA95v8lSa1sxlK5LE2y4yLGw0txeFy7bCQSnXI6Qmn6rELKe9CShNI5-Aq83iScOa-gHIk3iWq81ChnPh02ZIlEq8dCq81yNeJjW6V-7PM76QjoUSUqejhOYYyUOrkKOxFZZi8A6d> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Selin <jselin@hotmail.com <mailto:jselin@hotmail.com>> To: ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org <mailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org> Cc: Jonathan Rosenbaum <jr@wvcompletestreets.org <mailto:jr@wvcompletestreets.org>>, Bike Board <bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com <mailto:bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com>>, Andrew Pathfinder <andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com <mailto:andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com>> Sent: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:19:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools Let's select a rack we can be proud of, then ask around For donations, I'll kick in some and Ask some neighbors. Maybe ask some parents at the school to donate, put up a plaque.. How much do we need, which rack? Jenny Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:04 AM, "Damien Davis" <ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org <mailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org>> wrote: Jonathan, Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks. *J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM* *Assistant****City**Engineer* **City of Morgantown Public Works Department - Engineering Division 389 Spruce Street Morgantown, WV26505 Office: 304.284.7398 <tel:304.284.7398> Fax: 304.284.7409 <tel:304.284.7409> www.MorgantownWV.gov <https://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?zAQSn7DC3rxEVd7bPOqbNI04dw0txeFy02xDydj9K_9II3DATbL3ztPp2hnO5tywn8lrxrW0Ex8HWE07ojGoxOVJdB-X1J5BNCWbXzypJAsr1vF6y0QJzcyLAaX50QKCy0pAlYQg0Lr5q6y3pCy0oIjHk-xKvxYY1NJcSedK6zAQsLf8KcCSAqAKIXV> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: *"Jonathan Rosenbaum" <jr@wvcompletestreets.org <mailto:jr@wvcompletestreets.org>> *To: *"Andrew Pathfinder" <andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com <mailto:andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com>> *Cc: *"Bike Board" <bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com <mailto:bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools When it comes to rack design, I advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good list at http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm <https://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?zAQSn7DC3rxEVd7bPOqbNI04gBoJo-k2cEeRU03DM8Ox_NB0zySNaOwhWPGFK_9II3DATbL3ztPp2hnO5tywn8lrxrW0Ex8HWE07ojGoxOVJdB-X1J5BNCWbXzypJAsr1vF6y0QJzcyLAaX50QKCy0pAlYQg0Lr5q6y3pCy0oIjHk-xKvxYY1NJASedK6zAQsLf8KcCNyjyR5X> : * support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel * allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when both wheels are left on the bike * allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if the front wheel is removed * allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock * be securely anchored * be usable by bikes with no kickstand * be usable by bikes with water bottle cages * be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is significant, emphasize that to Chelsea. However, I would like well designed racks to be installed because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks really aren't suitable for a school environment. -Jonathan On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote: Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture. Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400. I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school. There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate. Thanks, Andrew Andrew R. 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I gave Matt's contact info to Jonathan.
On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Emily Vasile wrote:
Hi All-
My impression from the meeting on Thursday was Matt was supposed to facilitate the delivery of the Positive Spin rack to Suncrest Middle since it was his initiative to begin with. Frank was going to pass on Matt/ Jack's (his father) phone number to follow up with him.
It sounds like the PS rack is available and the Suncrest principal is OK with locating the rack there so we just need Matt to take the initiative. Then, if folks want to raise funds to get a more suitable rack installed later, it can be replaced.
Has anyone made headway on raising funds/ a plan for getting a different rack in place? If not, I'd suggest connecting Matt/ Jack with Damien to arrange delivery of the PS rack.
Emily
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Damien Davis ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org wrote: All,
Do you want me to see about getting the Positive Spin bicycle rack delivered to Suncrest Middle or should I wait to see if you get enough donations to purchase a new one?
J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM
AssistantCity Engineer
City of Morgantown
Public Works Department - Engineering Division
389 Spruce Street
Morgantown, WV26505
Office: 304.284.7398
Fax: 304.284.7409
www.MorgantownWV.gov
----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Selin jselin@hotmail.com To: ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org Cc: Jonathan Rosenbaum jr@wvcompletestreets.org, Bike Board bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com, Andrew Pathfinder andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com Sent: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:19:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
Let's select a rack we can be proud of, then ask around For donations, I'll kick in some and Ask some neighbors. Maybe ask some parents at the school to donate, put up a plaque..
How much do we need, which rack?
Jenny
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:04 AM, "Damien Davis" ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org wrote:
Jonathan,
Could you send me a couple pictures of the bike rack at Positive Spin for South Middle. I spoke with Principal Napolillo briefly this morning about getting the rack over to the school and want is going to need to be done once it is there. He had some questions that I couldn't answer since I've never seen the rack. Thanks.
J. Damien Davis, PE, CFM
AssistantCity Engineer
City of Morgantown
Public Works Department - Engineering Division
389 Spruce Street
Morgantown, WV26505
Office: 304.284.7398
Fax: 304.284.7409
www.MorgantownWV.gov
From: "Jonathan Rosenbaum" jr@wvcompletestreets.org To: "Andrew Pathfinder" andrew.pathfinder@gmail.com Cc: "Bike Board" bikeboard@bikemorgantown.com Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:20:04 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Bike Racks at Schools
When it comes to rack design, I
advocate for the guidelines the ABPB recommends. There is a good
list at
http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/engineering/parking.cfm
: support the frame of the bicycle and not just one wheel
allow the frame and one wheel to be locked to the rack when
both wheels are left on the bike
allow the frame and both wheels to be locked to the rack if
the front wheel is removed
allow the use of either a cable or U-shaped lock
be securely anchored
be usable by bikes with no kickstand
be usable by bikes with water bottle cages
be usable by a wide variety of sizes and types of bicycle I will soon be taking action on getting the PS rack to Suncrest
Middle School. It was my Alma Mater, afterall, the one where I
was not allowed to park my bicycle. Matt's victory is
significant, emphasize that to Chelsea.
However, I would like well designed racks to be installed
because they encourage bicycle parking. Comb and toast racks
really aren't suitable for a school environment.
-Jonathan
On 03/07/2013 07:33 PM, Andrew Pathfinder wrote: Choice number one. The Graber...yes Graber Mighty Mite 6 Bike Rack. This rack retails for $110 and could be anchored to the ground using a bracket or locked to a permanent fixture.
Option number two: Dero MR 12 Rack. This rack is more substantial and would hold 12 bicycles and would be easier to bolt to the ground. Price would be $400.
I would be interested to see if budget dollars could be used for this purpose and or would also be interested in helping put a citizen pool to get one of these racks installed at the school.
There are other options but these two give a good idea of a basic and nicer version of the rack debate.
Thanks,
Andrew
Andrew R. Walker
Pathfinder of West Virginia
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Morgantown Wv 26505
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