Good morning, After meeting with the DOH (Fred Shoukry) to discuss bike alternatives while 857 is under construction, I sent this message to Bryan Radabaugh summarizing the results of the meeting. Long story short, the old bridge will stay open until the new one is up (one-lane only) as soon as they are done removing the utilities from the old bridge - in about 3 weeks. They won't allow bikes on I68 so I don't have a practical way to get to work until then. I'll continue using an impractical one, which I won't discuss on the grounds that it may incriminate me. Thought you might be interested in the DOT link that specifies the DOH's responsibilities to accommodate cyclists. Nick
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "director" director@positivespin.org Reply-To: director@positivespin.org Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:53:36 -0400
Bryan, Thanks for following up on this. Yes, Frank Gmeindl and I met yesterday at 2pm with Fred at the Marilla Park office and we talked for about an hour. Fred informed us that the construction contractor has promised to re-open the bridge to one-lane traffic for the duration of the project (expected to be about a year) after they complete the current work of moving the utilities from the old bridge.
This is obviously good news and I appreciate the efforts of all parties to bring it about, however it still left me with the question of what I do until then. As I've stated before, I run a Morgantown non-profit business (Positive Spin, a sustainable transportation advocacy) that depends on my ability to get from home to work on an irregular and unpredictable schedule. Fred's best suggested alternative was for me to use the Mountain Line bus, which runs at 90 min intervals from 7am to 5pm. I was already aware of this alternative, and have been using it when possible but it rarely is. He offered to see if they can extend their schedule to run later, but I responded that I don't think that will offer any advantage in my situation.
Fred stated that the WVDOH will not allow bicycles on I68, so it is evident to me that there is no alternative that can be put in place before the old bridge re-opens. I apologize if expressing my transportation needs has led to any hard feelings. I will continue to commute as I have been. However, in future situations I hope that the WVDOH will honor their statutory obligation to accommodate bicyclists as cited in the following DOT link: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bikeped/freeways.htm (During the meeting Fred indicated that he was unaware of these statutes and asked me to send them to him When these statutes are followed bicycle accommodation can be put in place before construction begins. It is my sincere hope that they will be in the future. Please let Fred know that I appreciate the sincere effort and substantial time he put into finding a workable solution. The fact that none was possible is not a reflection on him or me personally, but rather the fact that bicycles were not considered early enough in the planning process. I hope that will be different in the future.
I don't have an email address for Mr. Shoukry so that I could cc him directly. Please pass this on to him if possible. Thank you Nick Hein
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Radabaugh, Bryan L" Bryan.L.Radabaugh@wv.gov Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 15:05:37 -0400
I believe Fred was meeting with you and/or Frank Gmeindl today, please let me know if this was the case.
Bryan Radabaugh
-----Original Message----- From: director [mailto:director@positivespin.org] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:24 PM To: Radabaugh, Bryan L Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Ice's Ferry Bridge closure
Bryan, Just wanted to check in to see when I can expect to be able to bike from my home in Lakeview to Morgantown again since 857 is closed. I don't own a car and commute on an irregular schedule that doesn't lend itself to bus or carpooling. It's been 3 weeks since I first asked for an alternative route, which should have been taken care of before construction began. I apologize if I seem impatient, but this isn't really something I can wait for. There is currently no practical alternative but to use I68. Although it is technically legal for me to bike on the Interstate if there is no practical alternative, I'm reluctant to do so until I know that law enforcement is aware of this technicality. What should I do while I wait for your decision?
Thanks for all you're doing, Nick Hein
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Radabaugh, Bryan L" Bryan.L.Radabaugh@wv.gov Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:16:33 -0400
Fred Shoukry is going to contact some other individuals that have contacted us about this situation and will contact Mr. Gmeindl as well prior to setting up a meeting to look at potential solutions to this problem.
Bryan Radabaugh
From: Frank Gmeindl [mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:15 AM To: Bill Austin; Radabaugh, Bryan L; Damien Davis; tmoore@cityofmorgantown.org; Roy Nutter Cc: Bicycle Board Subject: Ice's Ferry Bridge closure
Gentlemen,
What provision is being made for bicyclists to drive from Cheat Lake to Morgantown during the closure and replacement of Ice's Ferry Bridge? According to this morning's Dominion Post, the detour route is I-68
from
which bicycles are prohibited.
Frank D. Gmeindl Chairman, Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board LCI #1703 491 WilsonAvenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
You should all feel good about the work you've been doing. I'll bet just 3 - 5 years ago there would have been no accomodation. Three weeks will be painful, but liveable. Look how long the trail's going to be down :( ------------------------------------------- Stephen G. Graber Biochem & Mol Pharmacology PO Box 9142, HSN-3122 West Virginia University Morgantown, WV 26506-9142 phone: 304-293-2305
------ _0 ------ _ <,_ ---- (*)/ (*) ________________________________________ From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org [bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of director [director@positivespin.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:59 AM To: Bike Board Subject: [Bikeboard] FWD: RE: Ice's Ferry Bridge closure
Good morning, After meeting with the DOH (Fred Shoukry) to discuss bike alternatives while 857 is under construction, I sent this message to Bryan Radabaugh summarizing the results of the meeting. Long story short, the old bridge will stay open until the new one is up (one-lane only) as soon as they are done removing the utilities from the old bridge - in about 3 weeks. They won't allow bikes on I68 so I don't have a practical way to get to work until then. I'll continue using an impractical one, which I won't discuss on the grounds that it may incriminate me. Thought you might be interested in the DOT link that specifies the DOH's responsibilities to accommodate cyclists. Nick
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "director" director@positivespin.org Reply-To: director@positivespin.org Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:53:36 -0400
Bryan, Thanks for following up on this. Yes, Frank Gmeindl and I met yesterday at 2pm with Fred at the Marilla Park office and we talked for about an hour. Fred informed us that the construction contractor has promised to re-open the bridge to one-lane traffic for the duration of the project (expected to be about a year) after they complete the current work of moving the utilities from the old bridge.
This is obviously good news and I appreciate the efforts of all parties to bring it about, however it still left me with the question of what I do until then. As I've stated before, I run a Morgantown non-profit business (Positive Spin, a sustainable transportation advocacy) that depends on my ability to get from home to work on an irregular and unpredictable schedule. Fred's best suggested alternative was for me to use the Mountain Line bus, which runs at 90 min intervals from 7am to 5pm. I was already aware of this alternative, and have been using it when possible but it rarely is. He offered to see if they can extend their schedule to run later, but I responded that I don't think that will offer any advantage in my situation.
Fred stated that the WVDOH will not allow bicycles on I68, so it is evident to me that there is no alternative that can be put in place before the old bridge re-opens. I apologize if expressing my transportation needs has led to any hard feelings. I will continue to commute as I have been. However, in future situations I hope that the WVDOH will honor their statutory obligation to accommodate bicyclists as cited in the following DOT link: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bikeped/freeways.htm (During the meeting Fred indicated that he was unaware of these statutes and asked me to send them to him When these statutes are followed bicycle accommodation can be put in place before construction begins. It is my sincere hope that they will be in the future. Please let Fred know that I appreciate the sincere effort and substantial time he put into finding a workable solution. The fact that none was possible is not a reflection on him or me personally, but rather the fact that bicycles were not considered early enough in the planning process. I hope that will be different in the future.
I don't have an email address for Mr. Shoukry so that I could cc him directly. Please pass this on to him if possible. Thank you Nick Hein
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Radabaugh, Bryan L" Bryan.L.Radabaugh@wv.gov Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 15:05:37 -0400
I believe Fred was meeting with you and/or Frank Gmeindl today, please let me know if this was the case.
Bryan Radabaugh
-----Original Message----- From: director [mailto:director@positivespin.org] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:24 PM To: Radabaugh, Bryan L Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Ice's Ferry Bridge closure
Bryan, Just wanted to check in to see when I can expect to be able to bike from my home in Lakeview to Morgantown again since 857 is closed. I don't own a car and commute on an irregular schedule that doesn't lend itself to bus or carpooling. It's been 3 weeks since I first asked for an alternative route, which should have been taken care of before construction began. I apologize if I seem impatient, but this isn't really something I can wait for. There is currently no practical alternative but to use I68. Although it is technically legal for me to bike on the Interstate if there is no practical alternative, I'm reluctant to do so until I know that law enforcement is aware of this technicality. What should I do while I wait for your decision?
Thanks for all you're doing, Nick Hein
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Radabaugh, Bryan L" Bryan.L.Radabaugh@wv.gov Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:16:33 -0400
Fred Shoukry is going to contact some other individuals that have contacted us about this situation and will contact Mr. Gmeindl as well prior to setting up a meeting to look at potential solutions to this problem.
Bryan Radabaugh
From: Frank Gmeindl [mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:15 AM To: Bill Austin; Radabaugh, Bryan L; Damien Davis; tmoore@cityofmorgantown.org; Roy Nutter Cc: Bicycle Board Subject: Ice's Ferry Bridge closure
Gentlemen,
What provision is being made for bicyclists to drive from Cheat Lake to Morgantown during the closure and replacement of Ice's Ferry Bridge? According to this morning's Dominion Post, the detour route is I-68
from
which bicycles are prohibited.
Frank D. Gmeindl Chairman, Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board LCI #1703 491 WilsonAvenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
_______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I was contacted today by Mr. Shoukry regarding the possibility of adding two runs per day, Monday through Friday, to extend service to Cheat Lake while the low level bridge is closed (about a month). It will cost about $4k to do this. I have put it on tue Authority's Agenda for June 1, 6:00 pm, at the Westover facility. It is an expensive fix and DOH isn't offering any funds to cover the expense. If you'd lime to come to the meeting to comment, public session
Sent from a handheld device David Bruffy Bruffy@busride.org
On May 25, 2011, at 10:59 AM, "director" director@positivespin.org wrote:
Good morning, After meeting with the DOH (Fred Shoukry) to discuss bike alternatives while 857 is under construction, I sent this message to Bryan Radabaugh summarizing the results of the meeting. Long story short, the old bridge will stay open until the new one is up (one-lane only) as soon as they are done removing the utilities from the old bridge - in about 3 weeks. They won't allow bikes on I68 so I don't have a practical way to get to work until then. I'll continue using an impractical one, which I won't discuss on the grounds that it may incriminate me. Thought you might be interested in the DOT link that specifies the DOH's responsibilities to accommodate cyclists. Nick
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "director" director@positivespin.org Reply-To: director@positivespin.org Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:53:36 -0400
Bryan, Thanks for following up on this. Yes, Frank Gmeindl and I met yesterday at 2pm with Fred at the Marilla Park office and we talked for about an hour. Fred informed us that the construction contractor has promised to re-open the bridge to one-lane traffic for the duration of the project (expected to be about a year) after they complete the current work of moving the utilities from the old bridge.
This is obviously good news and I appreciate the efforts of all parties to bring it about, however it still left me with the question of what I do until then. As I've stated before, I run a Morgantown non-profit business (Positive Spin, a sustainable transportation advocacy) that depends on my ability to get from home to work on an irregular and unpredictable schedule. Fred's best suggested alternative was for me to use the Mountain Line bus, which runs at 90 min intervals from 7am to 5pm. I was already aware of this alternative, and have been using it when possible but it rarely is. He offered to see if they can extend their schedule to run later, but I responded that I don't think that will offer any advantage in my situation.
Fred stated that the WVDOH will not allow bicycles on I68, so it is evident to me that there is no alternative that can be put in place before the old bridge re-opens. I apologize if expressing my transportation needs has led to any hard feelings. I will continue to commute as I have been. However, in future situations I hope that the WVDOH will honor their statutory obligation to accommodate bicyclists as cited in the following DOT link: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bikeped/freeways.htm (During the meeting Fred indicated that he was unaware of these statutes and asked me to send them to him When these statutes are followed bicycle accommodation can be put in place before construction begins. It is my sincere hope that they will be in the future. Please let Fred know that I appreciate the sincere effort and substantial time he put into finding a workable solution. The fact that none was possible is not a reflection on him or me personally, but rather the fact that bicycles were not considered early enough in the planning process. I hope that will be different in the future.
I don't have an email address for Mr. Shoukry so that I could cc him directly. Please pass this on to him if possible. Thank you Nick Hein
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Radabaugh, Bryan L" Bryan.L.Radabaugh@wv.gov Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 15:05:37 -0400
I believe Fred was meeting with you and/or Frank Gmeindl today, please let me know if this was the case.
Bryan Radabaugh
-----Original Message----- From: director [mailto:director@positivespin.org] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:24 PM To: Radabaugh, Bryan L Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Ice's Ferry Bridge closure
Bryan, Just wanted to check in to see when I can expect to be able to bike from my home in Lakeview to Morgantown again since 857 is closed. I don't own a car and commute on an irregular schedule that doesn't lend itself to bus or carpooling. It's been 3 weeks since I first asked for an alternative route, which should have been taken care of before construction began. I apologize if I seem impatient, but this isn't really something I can wait for. There is currently no practical alternative but to use I68. Although it is technically legal for me to bike on the Interstate if there is no practical alternative, I'm reluctant to do so until I know that law enforcement is aware of this technicality. What should I do while I wait for your decision?
Thanks for all you're doing, Nick Hein
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Radabaugh, Bryan L" Bryan.L.Radabaugh@wv.gov Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:16:33 -0400
Fred Shoukry is going to contact some other individuals that have contacted us about this situation and will contact Mr. Gmeindl as well prior to setting up a meeting to look at potential solutions to this problem.
Bryan Radabaugh
From: Frank Gmeindl [mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:15 AM To: Bill Austin; Radabaugh, Bryan L; Damien Davis; tmoore@cityofmorgantown.org; Roy Nutter Cc: Bicycle Board Subject: Ice's Ferry Bridge closure
Gentlemen,
What provision is being made for bicyclists to drive from Cheat Lake to Morgantown during the closure and replacement of Ice's Ferry Bridge? According to this morning's Dominion Post, the detour route is I-68
from
which bicycles are prohibited.
Frank D. Gmeindl Chairman, Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board LCI #1703 491 WilsonAvenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I was contacted today by Mr. Shoukry regarding the possibility of adding two runs per day, Monday through Friday, to extend service to Cheat Lake while the low level bridge is closed (about a month). It will cost about $4k to do this. I have put it on tue Authority's Agenda for June 1, 6:00 pm, at the Westover facility. It is an expensive fix and DOH isn't offering any funds to cover the expense. If you'd like to come to the meeting to comment, public session[David Bruffy] is at the beginning of the meeting. Procedures for public comments are available here: http://www.busride.org/Agendas%20&%20Minutes/Public%20Comment%20Procedur...
I suspect there will need to be a considerable size demand to justify this service, and even then, without a source of funds to support the effort, I don't know that the Authority will support this proposal.
Sincerely,
Sent from a handheld device David Bruffy Bruffy@busride.org
On May 25, 2011, at 10:59 AM, "director" director@positivespin.org wrote:
Good morning, After meeting with the DOH (Fred Shoukry) to discuss bike alternatives while 857 is under construction, I sent this message to Bryan Radabaugh summarizing the results of the meeting. Long story short, the old bridge will stay open until the new one is up (one-lane only) as soon as they are done removing the utilities from the old bridge - in about 3 weeks. They won't allow bikes on I68 so I don't have a practical way to get to work until then. I'll continue using an impractical one, which I won't discuss on the grounds that it may incriminate me. Thought you might be interested in the DOT link that specifies the DOH's responsibilities to accommodate cyclists. Nick
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "director" director@positivespin.org Reply-To: director@positivespin.org Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:53:36 -0400
Bryan, Thanks for following up on this. Yes, Frank Gmeindl and I met yesterday at 2pm with Fred at the Marilla Park office and we talked for about an hour. Fred informed us that the construction contractor has promised to re-open the bridge to one-lane traffic for the duration of the project (expected to be about a year) after they complete the current work of moving the utilities from the old bridge.
This is obviously good news and I appreciate the efforts of all parties to bring it about, however it still left me with the question of what I do until then. As I've stated before, I run a Morgantown non-profit business (Positive Spin, a sustainable transportation advocacy) that depends on my ability to get from home to work on an irregular and unpredictable schedule. Fred's best suggested alternative was for me to use the Mountain Line bus, which runs at 90 min intervals from 7am to 5pm. I was already aware of this alternative, and have been using it when possible but it rarely is. He offered to see if they can extend their schedule to run later, but I responded that I don't think that will offer any advantage in my situation.
Fred stated that the WVDOH will not allow bicycles on I68, so it is evident to me that there is no alternative that can be put in place before the old bridge re-opens. I apologize if expressing my transportation needs has led to any hard feelings. I will continue to commute as I have been. However, in future situations I hope that the WVDOH will honor their statutory obligation to accommodate bicyclists as cited in the following DOT link: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bikeped/freeways.htm (During the meeting Fred indicated that he was unaware of these statutes and asked me to send them to him When these statutes are followed bicycle accommodation can be put in place before construction begins. It is my sincere hope that they will be in the future. Please let Fred know that I appreciate the sincere effort and substantial time he put into finding a workable solution. The fact that none was possible is not a reflection on him or me personally, but rather the fact that bicycles were not considered early enough in the planning process. I hope that will be different in the future.
I don't have an email address for Mr. Shoukry so that I could cc him directly. Please pass this on to him if possible. Thank you Nick Hein
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Radabaugh, Bryan L" Bryan.L.Radabaugh@wv.gov Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 15:05:37 -0400
I believe Fred was meeting with you and/or Frank Gmeindl today, please let me know if this was the case.
Bryan Radabaugh
-----Original Message----- From: director [mailto:director@positivespin.org] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:24 PM To: Radabaugh, Bryan L Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Ice's Ferry Bridge closure
Bryan, Just wanted to check in to see when I can expect to be able to bike from my home in Lakeview to Morgantown again since 857 is closed. I don't own a car and commute on an irregular schedule that doesn't lend itself to bus or carpooling. It's been 3 weeks since I first asked for an alternative route, which should have been taken care of before construction began. I apologize if I seem impatient, but this isn't really something I can wait for. There is currently no practical alternative but to use I68. Although it is technically legal for me to bike on the Interstate if there is no practical alternative, I'm reluctant to do so until I know that law enforcement is aware of this technicality. What should I do while I wait for your decision?
Thanks for all you're doing, Nick Hein
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Radabaugh, Bryan L" Bryan.L.Radabaugh@wv.gov Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:16:33 -0400
Fred Shoukry is going to contact some other individuals that have contacted us about this situation and will contact Mr. Gmeindl as well prior to setting up a meeting to look at potential solutions to this problem.
Bryan Radabaugh
From: Frank Gmeindl [mailto:frank.gmeindl@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:15 AM To: Bill Austin; Radabaugh, Bryan L; Damien Davis; tmoore@cityofmorgantown.org; Roy Nutter Cc: Bicycle Board Subject: Ice's Ferry Bridge closure
Gentlemen,
What provision is being made for bicyclists to drive from Cheat Lake to Morgantown during the closure and replacement of Ice's Ferry Bridge? According to this morning's Dominion Post, the detour route is I-68
from
which bicycles are prohibited.
Frank D. Gmeindl Chairman, Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board LCI #1703 491 WilsonAvenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
-- Nick Hein LCI# 1705 Director, Positive Spin 803 East Brockway Ave Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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