Jonathan, We also have an MHS student who has started volunteering again. He can make a compelling case, because he's foregone bicycling BECAUSE there wasn't a secure place to park.
I just gave a presentation at WVU to a class of Sustainable Design students which included a survey of bike parking alternatives. I also found the LEED green building standard. My recommendation is that we make a laundry list of requirements, along with pictures of the options for implementing them.
I'll pass on the slide I have that shows different types later today.
Gunnar, I don't know about drawings or photos of the bike rack, but by way of description it was just a 6 space ribbon rack located in an exposed courtyard. It provided adequate theft and vandalism protection because it was in a high-traffic area, but was unacceptable exposed to weather and sun. I never saw a bike in it. By design guidelines it was of a type that would only be called short-term (storefront) duty. Long-term (all day) specs. require much better.
Nick ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "gunn4r Shogren" gshogren@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:20:25 -0400
Sounds good Jonathan,
Might someone have what the original arch. designs or whatever were, for the bike storage facility at MHS. That might come in real handy.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
Hi, at the last meeting it was decided that we (Alice and Jonathan) should email the Bicycle Board about what will be our plan for recommending Bicycle Shelter facilities to the respective principals of MHS and UHS. It should be duly noted that presently we do not have any "approved" recommended Bicycle Shelters. If our proposal below is accepted without any objection, it would be our hope that by the next Bicycle Board meeting, but no later than by the May 1 meeting that the BB could provide us with a list of shelters that have been approved for our purpose of demonstrating appropriate solutions to the principals.
Proposal:
We propose that a meeting will be set up before the end of May with both Principal Desantis from MHS and Principal Forrest from UHS. We want to make the arrangements for this meeting relatively soon because of the busy schedules of both principals. The meetings desired outcome will be the provide both Principals with enough information and details so that they can embark on the Bicycle Board's recommendation that sheltered and secure bicycle facilities be provided at their respective school locations. One approach besides recommending purchasing such facilities will be to suggest that the Schools look at getting Vo-Tech to build all or part of the facilities thereby saving the Schools money as well as engaging students in bicycling. If possible we want to have representation from actual High School students who are bicyclists so that we can present a more convincing message at the meeting (1).
Our request to the Bicycling Board is to approve our proposal and to provide us with relevant literature and information about recommended bicycling shelters. Information can be delivered to Jonathan either via email, snail mail, or any other relevant manner.
(1) Nick Hein told us that he has UHS bicyclists working at Positive Spin.
Jonathan and Alice
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:42 PM, director director@positivespin.org wrote:
Gunnar, I don't know about drawings or photos of the bike rack, but by way of description it was just a 6 space ribbon rack located in an exposed courtyard. It provided adequate theft and vandalism protection because it was in a high-traffic area, but was unacceptable exposed to weather and sun. I never saw a bike in it. By design guidelines it was of a type that would only be called short-term (storefront) duty. Long-term (all day) specs. require much better.
This sounds like the one that *used* to be there. I was just under the impression that they had designed a different one, presented it to someone (?), and *that* was the one that the principal ignored.
That's what I was talking about. Or not.
Nick
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "gunn4r Shogren" gshogren@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:20:25 -0400
Sounds good Jonathan,
Might someone have what the original arch. designs or whatever were, for the bike storage facility at MHS. That might come in real handy.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
Hi, at the last meeting it was decided that we (Alice and Jonathan) should email the Bicycle Board about what will be our plan for recommending Bicycle Shelter facilities to the respective principals of MHS and UHS. It should be duly noted that presently we do not have any "approved" recommended Bicycle Shelters. If our proposal below is accepted without any objection, it would be our hope that by the next Bicycle Board meeting, but no later than by the May 1 meeting that the BB could provide us with a list of shelters that have been approved for our purpose of demonstrating appropriate solutions to the principals.
Proposal:
We propose that a meeting will be set up before the end of May with both Principal Desantis from MHS and Principal Forrest from UHS. We want to make the arrangements for this meeting relatively soon because of the busy schedules of both principals. The meetings desired outcome will be the provide both Principals with enough information and details so that they can embark on the Bicycle Board's recommendation that sheltered and secure bicycle facilities be provided at their respective school locations. One approach besides recommending purchasing such facilities will be to suggest that the Schools look at getting Vo-Tech to build all or part of the facilities thereby saving the Schools money as well as engaging students in bicycling. If possible we want to have representation from actual High School students who are bicyclists so that we can present a more convincing message at the meeting (1).
Our request to the Bicycling Board is to approve our proposal and to provide us with relevant literature and information about recommended bicycling shelters. Information can be delivered to Jonathan either via email, snail mail, or any other relevant manner.
(1) Nick Hein told us that he has UHS bicyclists working at Positive Spin.
Jonathan and Alice
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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-- Nick Hein Director, Positive Spin Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
gunn4r,
At the August 2007 Traffic Commission meeting neither the Superintendent of Schools nor the MHS expansion architect presented anything about bike racks or bike parking. They were there to ask the TC to permit them to relocate Prairie Street. Their presentation was after I'd delivered a 1-hour training session to the Traffic Commission that included stuff from the Road I class that might help the TC have cyclist issues in mind when they make decisions. With that fresh in their minds, a member of the Traffic Commission first asked what they were going to do about the bike rack that used to be in front of the school. I can't remember exactly but either the Superintendent or the architect said they would move it into the parking lot across the street from the school. That spawned a rather long discussion that culminated with the Traffic Commission telling them to provide sheltered bicycle parking. The architect told them that he would look to the Bicycle Board for bicycle parking design recommendations. Nick sent the architect the presentation that Nick assembled for the Commuting Committee. Nick's presentation included thorough identification of requirements and a good assessment of the options against those requirements. That presentation should be sufficient for the school to just pick one and install it.
Frank
gunn4r Shogren wrote:
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:42 PM, director director@positivespin.org wrote:
Gunnar, I don't know about drawings or photos of the bike rack, but by way of description it was just a 6 space ribbon rack located in an exposed courtyard. It provided adequate theft and vandalism protection because it was in a high-traffic area, but was unacceptable exposed to weather and sun. I never saw a bike in it. By design guidelines it was of a type that would only be called short-term (storefront) duty. Long-term (all day) specs. require much better.
This sounds like the one that *used* to be there. I was just under the impression that they had designed a different one, presented it to someone (?), and *that* was the one that the principal ignored.
That's what I was talking about. Or not.
Nick
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "gunn4r Shogren" gshogren@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:20:25 -0400
Sounds good Jonathan,
Might someone have what the original arch. designs or whatever were, for the bike storage facility at MHS. That might come in real handy.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
Hi, at the last meeting it was decided that we (Alice and Jonathan) should email the Bicycle Board about what will be our plan for recommending Bicycle Shelter facilities to the respective principals of MHS and UHS. It should be duly noted that presently we do not have any "approved" recommended Bicycle Shelters. If our proposal below is accepted without any objection, it would be our hope that by the next Bicycle Board meeting, but no later than by the May 1 meeting that the BB could provide us with a list of shelters that have been approved for our purpose of demonstrating appropriate solutions to the principals.
Proposal:
We propose that a meeting will be set up before the end of May with both Principal Desantis from MHS and Principal Forrest from UHS. We want to make the arrangements for this meeting relatively soon because of the busy schedules of both principals. The meetings desired outcome will be the provide both Principals with enough information and details so that they can embark on the Bicycle Board's recommendation that sheltered and secure bicycle facilities be provided at their respective school locations. One approach besides recommending purchasing such facilities will be to suggest that the Schools look at getting Vo-Tech to build all or part of the facilities thereby saving the Schools money as well as engaging students in bicycling. If possible we want to have representation from actual High School students who are bicyclists so that we can present a more convincing message at the meeting (1).
Our request to the Bicycling Board is to approve our proposal and to provide us with relevant literature and information about recommended bicycling shelters. Information can be delivered to Jonathan either via email, snail mail, or any other relevant manner.
(1) Nick Hein told us that he has UHS bicyclists working at Positive Spin.
Jonathan and Alice
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
-- Nick Hein Director, Positive Spin Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
I dug up the presentation that Nick put together for the Commuting Committee mentioned by Frank below, and attached it to this message (BikeParking.pdf).
Also, I have attached a brochure from an UK safe routes to school program that provides good statistics justifying secure/sheltered parking. The sustrans site also has a case study database, however, if anyone can find statistics for studies in the US, that would be greatly appreciated.
-Jonathan
Frank Gmeindl wrote:
gunn4r,
At the August 2007 Traffic Commission meeting neither the Superintendent of Schools nor the MHS expansion architect presented anything about bike racks or bike parking. They were there to ask the TC to permit them to relocate Prairie Street. Their presentation was after I'd delivered a 1-hour training session to the Traffic Commission that included stuff from the Road I class that might help the TC have cyclist issues in mind when they make decisions. With that fresh in their minds, a member of the Traffic Commission first asked what they were going to do about the bike rack that used to be in front of the school. I can't remember exactly but either the Superintendent or the architect said they would move it into the parking lot across the street from the school. That spawned a rather long discussion that culminated with the Traffic Commission telling them to provide sheltered bicycle parking. The architect told them that he would look to the Bicycle Board for bicycle parking design recommendations. Nick sent the architect the presentation that Nick assembled for the Commuting Committee. Nick's presentation included thorough identification of requirements and a good assessment of the options against those requirements. That presentation should be sufficient for the school to just pick one and install it.
Frank
gunn4r Shogren wrote:
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:42 PM, director director@positivespin.org wrote:
Gunnar, I don't know about drawings or photos of the bike rack, but by way of description it was just a 6 space ribbon rack located in an exposed courtyard. It provided adequate theft and vandalism protection because it was in a high-traffic area, but was unacceptable exposed to weather and sun. I never saw a bike in it. By design guidelines it was of a type that would only be called short-term (storefront) duty. Long-term (all day) specs. require much better.
This sounds like the one that *used* to be there. I was just under the impression that they had designed a different one, presented it to someone (?), and *that* was the one that the principal ignored.
That's what I was talking about. Or not.
Nick
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "gunn4r Shogren" gshogren@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:20:25 -0400
Sounds good Jonathan,
Might someone have what the original arch. designs or whatever were, for the bike storage facility at MHS. That might come in real handy.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
Hi, at the last meeting it was decided that we (Alice and Jonathan) should email the Bicycle Board about what will be our plan for recommending Bicycle Shelter facilities to the respective principals of MHS and UHS. It should be duly noted that presently we do not have any "approved" recommended Bicycle Shelters. If our proposal below is accepted without any objection, it would be our hope that by the next Bicycle Board meeting, but no later than by the May 1 meeting that the BB could provide us with a list of shelters that have been approved for our purpose of demonstrating appropriate solutions to the principals.
Proposal:
We propose that a meeting will be set up before the end of May with both Principal Desantis from MHS and Principal Forrest from UHS. We want to make the arrangements for this meeting relatively soon because of the busy schedules of both principals. The meetings desired outcome will be the provide both Principals with enough information and details so that they can embark on the Bicycle Board's recommendation that sheltered and secure bicycle facilities be provided at their respective school locations. One approach besides recommending purchasing such facilities will be to suggest that the Schools look at getting Vo-Tech to build all or part of the facilities thereby saving the Schools money as well as engaging students in bicycling. If possible we want to have representation from actual High School students who are bicyclists so that we can present a more convincing message at the meeting (1).
Our request to the Bicycling Board is to approve our proposal and to provide us with relevant literature and information about recommended bicycling shelters. Information can be delivered to Jonathan either via email, snail mail, or any other relevant manner.
(1) Nick Hein told us that he has UHS bicyclists working at Positive Spin.
Jonathan and Alice
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
-- Nick Hein Director, Positive Spin Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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Now I realize there was an even newer version of Nick's presentation so I've attached that to this message. The main difference is that this version has a good discussion of Funding Considerations appended to the end.
-Jonathan
Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote:
I dug up the presentation that Nick put together for the Commuting Committee mentioned by Frank below, and attached it to this message (BikeParking.pdf).
Also, I have attached a brochure from an UK safe routes to school program that provides good statistics justifying secure/sheltered parking. The sustrans site also has a case study database, however, if anyone can find statistics for studies in the US, that would be greatly appreciated.
-Jonathan
Frank Gmeindl wrote:
gunn4r,
At the August 2007 Traffic Commission meeting neither the Superintendent of Schools nor the MHS expansion architect presented anything about bike racks or bike parking. They were there to ask the TC to permit them to relocate Prairie Street. Their presentation was after I'd delivered a 1-hour training session to the Traffic Commission that included stuff from the Road I class that might help the TC have cyclist issues in mind when they make decisions. With that fresh in their minds, a member of the Traffic Commission first asked what they were going to do about the bike rack that used to be in front of the school. I can't remember exactly but either the Superintendent or the architect said they would move it into the parking lot across the street from the school. That spawned a rather long discussion that culminated with the Traffic Commission telling them to provide sheltered bicycle parking. The architect told them that he would look to the Bicycle Board for bicycle parking design recommendations. Nick sent the architect the presentation that Nick assembled for the Commuting Committee. Nick's presentation included thorough identification of requirements and a good assessment of the options against those requirements. That presentation should be sufficient for the school to just pick one and install it.
Frank
gunn4r Shogren wrote:
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:42 PM, director director@positivespin.org wrote:
Gunnar, I don't know about drawings or photos of the bike rack, but by way of description it was just a 6 space ribbon rack located in an exposed courtyard. It provided adequate theft and vandalism protection because it was in a high-traffic area, but was unacceptable exposed to weather and sun. I never saw a bike in it. By design guidelines it was of a type that would only be called short-term (storefront) duty. Long-term (all day) specs. require much better.
This sounds like the one that *used* to be there. I was just under the impression that they had designed a different one, presented it to someone (?), and *that* was the one that the principal ignored.
That's what I was talking about. Or not.
Nick
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "gunn4r Shogren" gshogren@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:20:25 -0400
Sounds good Jonathan,
Might someone have what the original arch. designs or whatever were, for the bike storage facility at MHS. That might come in real handy.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org wrote:
Hi, at the last meeting it was decided that we (Alice and Jonathan) should email the Bicycle Board about what will be our plan for recommending Bicycle Shelter facilities to the respective principals of MHS and UHS. It should be duly noted that presently we do not have any "approved" recommended Bicycle Shelters. If our proposal below is accepted without any objection, it would be our hope that by the next Bicycle Board meeting, but no later than by the May 1 meeting that the BB could provide us with a list of shelters that have been approved for our purpose of demonstrating appropriate solutions to the principals.
Proposal:
We propose that a meeting will be set up before the end of May with both Principal Desantis from MHS and Principal Forrest from UHS. We want to make the arrangements for this meeting relatively soon because of the busy schedules of both principals. The meetings desired outcome will be the provide both Principals with enough information and details so that they can embark on the Bicycle Board's recommendation that sheltered and secure bicycle facilities be provided at their respective school locations. One approach besides recommending purchasing such facilities will be to suggest that the Schools look at getting Vo-Tech to build all or part of the facilities thereby saving the Schools money as well as engaging students in bicycling. If possible we want to have representation from actual High School students who are bicyclists so that we can present a more convincing message at the meeting (1).
Our request to the Bicycling Board is to approve our proposal and to provide us with relevant literature and information about recommended bicycling shelters. Information can be delivered to Jonathan either via email, snail mail, or any other relevant manner.
(1) Nick Hein told us that he has UHS bicyclists working at Positive Spin.
Jonathan and Alice
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
-- Nick Hein Director, Positive Spin Morgantown, WV ph 304-276-0213 --
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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