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Fwd: phone book community pages
by Frank Gmeindl 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Wonderful! Thanks to Aira, Chip, gunnar and Ryan for making this happen! Frank Begin forwarded message: > From: "Chip Wamsley" <chip(a)wamsleycycles.com> > Date: January 17, 2011 7:47:11 PM EST > To: <fgmeindl(a)gmail.com> > Subject: phone book community pages > Reply-To: <chip(a)wamsleycycles.com> > > Frank, > > FYI, the new phone books are out. See attached photo. > > Chip > >

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Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run
by Frank Gmeindl 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Don, What is the MPO bicycle route plan? Can you point me to it? I did a cursory search of the MPO website and didn't find it. I did find a "screening addendum" (attached) that contains a map showing a couple options around Dug Hill Rd. Is that it? Frank On Jan 16, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Don Spencer wrote: > Frank – On the West Run related issues, I urge you to take a look at the MPO bicycle route plan. There is quite a few recommendations in that plan for establishing a “ring route” from the rail trail in Sabraton to Easton Hill and then down West Run to the River. The information does not address the width issues per se, but I think that referencing the Plan in our discussions with the MPO and DOH is to our advantage. > > Don > > From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of Gunnar Shogren > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:47 PM > To: Frank Gmeindl > Cc: Bicycle Board > Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Frank Gmeindl > <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > I think we have two concepts. One, is to modify West Run Road to make it more bike friendly and Two is a segregated path. > > > > Modify West Run Rd. > > For many years before the District, I rode West Run Rd. several times/week around 5 pm., always from east to west. See map at http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3 It was fine except that occasionally, I'd be head-on with some junior doctor zipping along in his BMW or S-2000 and we'd both be eyeing the fence posts, mailboxes and culverts for room to squeeze by. Improving sight-lines is imperative; widening would be nice; shared lane markings and Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs, or at least share the road signs would help. Moving, leveling and realigning the intersection with 119 is also imperative. > > > > I used to ride the old bike route over White Avenue to Dug Hill Rd, Pierpont Rd., across 857, down Old Cheat Rd. to Easton then along 119 to West Run as shown on the map at http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3. Except for the little stretches of 857 and 119, there wasn't much traffic but it's quite hilly and would probably discourage novices. However, once West Run is improved, it would be a suitable extension of the bike route with appropriate mapping to indicate the hills and to warn of the high traffic zones on 857 and 119. > > > > Segregated Path > > The best segregated path option would be as I think Chet is suggesting, basically between West Run Rd. and West Run creek. Heck, let's propose to go all the way to the Mon River trail in the long run. > > > > Coming from the District out to Easton, you can cross Easton Hill Rd. and continue out West Run Rd. where it dead-ends at I-68. Crossing the intersection by Easton School will be a challenge. Before I-68, West Run Rd. used to continue up the hill to Pierpont Rd. (Who hasn't ridden through the West Run culverts under I-68? Perhaps you missed the BB initiation ceremony;) > > > > Don Spencer has told me that there has been some discussion of running a trail along the west side of I-68 over to Sabraton. We should explore this. Then, we could connect with the Decker Creek trail and have a bicycle beltway around the City:) My concern remains that if we put all our energy into projects like this, it will eventually become impossible to ride your bike from the trail to any practical destination because we were diverted from reclaiming the streets that were ours to being with. > > > > At Easton, going up Easton Hill and across the Mileground should be an option that could be handled by a bicycle climbing lane. If they can crane a shopping center and housing development on the side of that hill and add a full-width travel lane and roundabouts to the Mileground, they can add 8 feet to Easton Hill for a bicycle climbing lane! I still occasionally ride up Easton Hill. It's not pleasant and if you don't take the lane, you'll get squeezed into the guard rail. It is nearly impossible to walk up or down there though because there is absolutely no shoulder. > > Untrue! > We've seen our buddy NickH going up it a few times. Did not seem like > it would be a pleasant experience *at* *all*. But maybe Nick can > chime in here. > > > The hundreds of people living in that valley now would be stranded and starve to death when the gasoline runs out. > > And this would be a bad thing? > > > > > Frank > > > > On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote: > > > >> Wider road and signage. > >> I've biked on it off and on throughout the years, problem is that it > >> just doesn't lead anywhere easily, there's a big hill off it as soon > >> as you go toward town, or even go away from town. > >> Sure not many folks use it now, but perhaps they would if even to go > >> from Apt complex to complex, to play XBox or Magic: The Gathering. > >> Widen that puppy and put some signs up. Nice wide shoulder just to > >> ease the minds of less experienced cyclists as well. > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> I think Bill Austin already has this stuff in his head, but here's my two > >>> cents. > >>> The section from Van Voorhis to Stewartstown can be used in combination of > >>> on-street markings and using the floodplain owned by WVU (basically from the > >>> dairy farm to Pineview). Once you get to Stewartstown, Ryan is right. > >>> You'll need to cut down behind Copper Beech and up between it and the stuff > >>> up on the backside of the Mileground. Follow that route until you get to > >>> Easton School, which will be closed soon anyway. Then tie in to whatever > >>> new development is getting ready to go in along 857 out to I-68. If you > >>> haven't noticed, the DOH has been clearing and widening 857 for about 4 > >>> months now and my bet is that there will be a new development with an > >>> additional access point by summer. > >>> Another option, but will probably be a more expensive easement, is to create > >>> a couple switchbacks up the farm on the opposite side of the hill as West > >>> Run Apartments and then run a path through the apartment complex and out to > >>> 119/857. > >>> Chet > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ryan Post <rpostwvu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> West Run, from Stewartstown to 119 (where all the houses are), is twisty, > >>>> narrow and hilly. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Given those conditions, it can never be bike friendly. Road needs widened > >>>> and/or straightened significantly. Or create a separate bike/walk path. I > >>>> doubt many would walk however, since there’s very little within ½ mile. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> It’s a no-man’s land of bad planning and shouldn’t have been Zoned on w/o > >>>> correcting the road first, IMO. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On > >>>> Behalf Of Frank Gmeindl > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:36 AM > >>>> To: Bicycle Board > >>>> Subject: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bicycle Board Members, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Heads up. What are your ideas for making West Run more bicycle friendly? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I don't know what DOH is planning for West Run yet. I'll keep you posted. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Frank > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>> > >>>> From: "Bill Austin" <baustin(a)moncpc.org> > >>>> > >>>> Date: January 11, 2011 4:30:44 PM EST > >>>> > >>>> To: "'Frank Gmeindl'" <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> > >>>> > >>>> Subject: Work on West Run > >>>> > >>>> Frank, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> DOH has a project to improve West Run. They would like to work with you > >>>> and the Board on the proper way to accommodate cyclists. I would appreciate > >>>> discussing the matter with you prior to the CAC Meeting Thursday. Also, they > >>>> let me know they identified five grates along Mon Boulevard that they will > >>>> be replacing. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bill Austin, AICP > >>>> > >>>> Executive Director > >>>> > >>>> Morgantown Monongalia MPO > >>>> > >>>> 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 > >>>> > >>>> Morgantown, WVA 26505 > >>>> > >>>> 304-291-9571 > >>>> > >>>> 304-692-7225 Mobile > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> “Nobody can go back and make a new beginning, but anyone can start today > >>>> and make a new ending.”-Maria Robinson > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bikeboard mailing list > >> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3375 - Release Date: 01/12/11 >

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Fwd: Fwd: Work on West Run
by Chet Parsons 16 Jan '11

16 Jan '11

Whoops - didn't hit reply all. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run To: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> I was thinking more direct connection via the research park. We tried to get them to agree to continue a road over the back of the hill down the natural gulley from the book depository area through the floodplain (cornfield) and meet up with West Run around the point where the farm entrance hits West Run. Try this link http://bit.ly/e9pmVu As far as Maple Drive, it will at a minimum be reconfigured so that it will close to through traffic. The plan I have seen thus far is for a new connection from Don Nehlen Drive to come directly across 705/Chestnut Ridge and go back over the hill for a dedicated entrance to Mon General. That is why the trailer park and other properties in that area have been purchased. Alpha Associates is the lead on this one along with Mon General. Chet On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net>wrote: > I don't know what route you're proposing. On the bike route map that I > sent on Jan. 7, Subject: Bike Route Map, you'll see that the route connects > the old poultry farm and research park area to West Run via Maple Dr., > Heritage Pt., J.D. Anderson Dr., Pineview Dr., Riddle St., Charles St., > Perry Ave., Hickory St., Winona Av., Bishop Dr. and Riddle St.. It is > really rather pleasant with one big hill. > > I understand that plans may be afoot that would wipe out Maple Dr. Does > anybody know what they are? > > On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Chip Wamsley wrote: > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com> > > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:00:21 -0500 > > > > Going across the old poultry farm by the research park is a great idea as > many of those people working there might be great end users. > > > > > > > >> Jim Rye rides Easton Hill all the time. Again NOT A FUN LOOKING RIDE. > >> > >> I still don't see why we can't work with WVU to get access across the > old > >> poultry farm and come down on the back side of the research park to West > >> Run. Connect right into Suncrest Town Center and the couple of housing > >> complexes as well as Stewart St etc downtown. I guess maybe this hasn't > >> been discussed since before Hugh came on board. Maybe worth revisiting > - > >> last time I talked it up it was shot down by Russ Lorince with the > research > >> corporation. > >> > >> Chet > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Gunnar Shogren <gshogren(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Frank Gmeindl > >>> <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >>>> I think we have two concepts. One, is to modify West Run Road to make > it > >>> more bike friendly and Two is a segregated path. > >>>> > >>>> Modify West Run Rd. > >>>> For many years before the District, I rode West Run Rd. several > >>> times/week around 5 pm., always from east to west. See map at > >>> http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3 It was fine except that occasionally, I'd > be > >>> head-on with some junior doctor zipping along in his BMW or S-2000 and > we'd > >>> both be eyeing the fence posts, mailboxes and culverts for room to > squeeze > >>> by. Improving sight-lines is imperative; widening would be nice; > shared > >>> lane markings and Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs, or at least share > the > >>> road signs would help. Moving, leveling and realigning the > intersection > >>> with 119 is also imperative. > >>>> > >>>> I used to ride the old bike route over White Avenue to Dug Hill Rd, > >>> Pierpont Rd., across 857, down Old Cheat Rd. to Easton then along 119 > to > >>> West Run as shown on the map at http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3. Except > for > >>> the little stretches of 857 and 119, there wasn't much traffic but it's > >>> quite hilly and would probably discourage novices. However, once West > Run > >>> is improved, it would be a suitable extension of the bike route with > >>> appropriate mapping to indicate the hills and to warn of the high > traffic > >>> zones on 857 and 119. > >>>> > >>>> Segregated Path > >>>> The best segregated path option would be as I think Chet is > suggesting, > >>> basically between West Run Rd. and West Run creek. Heck, let's propose > to > >>> go all the way to the Mon River trail in the long run. > >>>> > >>>> Coming from the District out to Easton, you can cross Easton Hill Rd. > and > >>> continue out West Run Rd. where it dead-ends at I-68. Crossing the > >>> intersection by Easton School will be a challenge. Before I-68, West > Run > >>> Rd. used to continue up the hill to Pierpont Rd. (Who hasn't ridden > through > >>> the West Run culverts under I-68? Perhaps you missed the BB initiation > >>> ceremony;) > >>>> > >>>> Don Spencer has told me that there has been some discussion of running > a > >>> trail along the west side of I-68 over to Sabraton. We should explore > this. > >>> Then, we could connect with the Decker Creek trail and have a bicycle > >>> beltway around the City:) My concern remains that if we put all our > energy > >>> into projects like this, it will eventually become impossible to ride > your > >>> bike from the trail to any practical destination because we were > diverted > >>> from reclaiming the streets that were ours to being with. > >>>> > >>>> At Easton, going up Easton Hill and across the Mileground should be an > >>> option that could be handled by a bicycle climbing lane. If they can > crane > >>> a shopping center and housing development on the side of that hill and > add a > >>> full-width travel lane and roundabouts to the Mileground, they can add > 8 > >>> feet to Easton Hill for a bicycle climbing lane! I still occasionally > ride > >>> up Easton Hill. It's not pleasant and if you don't take the lane, > you'll > >>> get squeezed into the guard rail. It is nearly impossible to walk up > or > >>> down there though because there is absolutely no shoulder. > >>> > >>> Untrue! > >>> We've seen our buddy NickH going up it a few times. Did not seem like > >>> it would be a pleasant experience *at* *all*. But maybe Nick can > >>> chime in here. > >>> > >>>> The hundreds of people living in that valley now would be stranded and > >>> starve to death when the gasoline runs out. > >>> > >>> And this would be a bad thing? > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Frank > >>>> > >>>> On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Wider road and signage. > >>>>> I've biked on it off and on throughout the years, problem is that it > >>>>> just doesn't lead anywhere easily, there's a big hill off it as soon > >>>>> as you go toward town, or even go away from town. > >>>>> Sure not many folks use it now, but perhaps they would if even to go > >>>>> from Apt complex to complex, to play XBox or Magic: The Gathering. > >>>>> Widen that puppy and put some signs up. Nice wide shoulder just to > >>>>> ease the minds of less experienced cyclists as well. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com > > > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> I think Bill Austin already has this stuff in his head, but here's > my > >>> two > >>>>>> cents. > >>>>>> The section from Van Voorhis to Stewartstown can be used in > combination > >>> of > >>>>>> on-street markings and using the floodplain owned by WVU (basically > >>> from the > >>>>>> dairy farm to Pineview). Once you get to Stewartstown, Ryan is > right. > >>>>>> You'll need to cut down behind Copper Beech and up between it and > the > >>> stuff > >>>>>> up on the backside of the Mileground. Follow that route until you > get > >>> to > >>>>>> Easton School, which will be closed soon anyway. Then tie in to > >>> whatever > >>>>>> new development is getting ready to go in along 857 out to I-68. If > >>> you > >>>>>> haven't noticed, the DOH has been clearing and widening 857 for > about 4 > >>>>>> months now and my bet is that there will be a new development with > an > >>>>>> additional access point by summer. > >>>>>> Another option, but will probably be a more expensive easement, is > to > >>> create > >>>>>> a couple switchbacks up the farm on the opposite side of the hill as > >>> West > >>>>>> Run Apartments and then run a path through the apartment complex and > >>> out to > >>>>>> 119/857. > >>>>>> Chet > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ryan Post <rpostwvu(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> West Run, from Stewartstown to 119 (where all the houses are), is > >>> twisty, > >>>>>>> narrow and hilly. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Given those conditions, it can never be bike friendly. Road needs > >>> widened > >>>>>>> and/or straightened significantly. Or create a separate bike/walk > >>> path. I > >>>>>>> doubt many would walk however, since there’s very little within ½ > >>> mile. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It’s a no-man’s land of bad planning and shouldn’t have been Zoned > on > >>> w/o > >>>>>>> correcting the road first, IMO. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org [mailto: > bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org] > >>> On > >>>>>>> Behalf Of Frank Gmeindl > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:36 AM > >>>>>>> To: Bicycle Board > >>>>>>> Subject: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bicycle Board Members, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Heads up. What are your ideas for making West Run more bicycle > >>> friendly? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I don't know what DOH is planning for West Run yet. I'll keep you > >>> posted. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Frank > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: "Bill Austin" <baustin(a)moncpc.org> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Date: January 11, 2011 4:30:44 PM EST > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To: "'Frank Gmeindl'" <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Subject: Work on West Run > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Frank, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> DOH has a project to improve West Run. They would like to work with > >>> you > >>>>>>> and the Board on the proper way to accommodate cyclists. I would > >>> appreciate > >>>>>>> discussing the matter with you prior to the CAC Meeting Thursday. > >>> Also, they > >>>>>>> let me know they identified five grates along Mon Boulevard that > they > >>> will > >>>>>>> be replacing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bill Austin, AICP > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Executive Director > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Morgantown Monongalia MPO > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Morgantown, WVA 26505 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 304-291-9571 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 304-692-7225 Mobile > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> “Nobody can go back and make a new beginning, but anyone can start > >>> today > >>>>>>> and make a new ending.”-Maria Robinson > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>>>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >>>>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >>>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Bikeboard mailing list > >>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > >>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikeboard mailing list > > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard > >

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Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run
by Frank Gmeindl 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

I don't know what route you're proposing. On the bike route map that I sent on Jan. 7, Subject: Bike Route Map, you'll see that the route connects the old poultry farm and research park area to West Run via Maple Dr., Heritage Pt., J.D. Anderson Dr., Pineview Dr., Riddle St., Charles St., Perry Ave., Hickory St., Winona Av., Bishop Dr. and Riddle St.. It is really rather pleasant with one big hill. I understand that plans may be afoot that would wipe out Maple Dr. Does anybody know what they are? On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Chip Wamsley wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:00:21 -0500 > > Going across the old poultry farm by the research park is a great idea as many of those people working there might be great end users. > > > >> Jim Rye rides Easton Hill all the time. Again NOT A FUN LOOKING RIDE. >> >> I still don't see why we can't work with WVU to get access across the old >> poultry farm and come down on the back side of the research park to West >> Run. Connect right into Suncrest Town Center and the couple of housing >> complexes as well as Stewart St etc downtown. I guess maybe this hasn't >> been discussed since before Hugh came on board. Maybe worth revisiting - >> last time I talked it up it was shot down by Russ Lorince with the research >> corporation. >> >> Chet >> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Gunnar Shogren <gshogren(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Frank Gmeindl >>> <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>> I think we have two concepts. One, is to modify West Run Road to make it >>> more bike friendly and Two is a segregated path. >>>> >>>> Modify West Run Rd. >>>> For many years before the District, I rode West Run Rd. several >>> times/week around 5 pm., always from east to west. See map at >>> http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3 It was fine except that occasionally, I'd be >>> head-on with some junior doctor zipping along in his BMW or S-2000 and we'd >>> both be eyeing the fence posts, mailboxes and culverts for room to squeeze >>> by. Improving sight-lines is imperative; widening would be nice; shared >>> lane markings and Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs, or at least share the >>> road signs would help. Moving, leveling and realigning the intersection >>> with 119 is also imperative. >>>> >>>> I used to ride the old bike route over White Avenue to Dug Hill Rd, >>> Pierpont Rd., across 857, down Old Cheat Rd. to Easton then along 119 to >>> West Run as shown on the map at http://tinyurl.com/46ofgs3. Except for >>> the little stretches of 857 and 119, there wasn't much traffic but it's >>> quite hilly and would probably discourage novices. However, once West Run >>> is improved, it would be a suitable extension of the bike route with >>> appropriate mapping to indicate the hills and to warn of the high traffic >>> zones on 857 and 119. >>>> >>>> Segregated Path >>>> The best segregated path option would be as I think Chet is suggesting, >>> basically between West Run Rd. and West Run creek. Heck, let's propose to >>> go all the way to the Mon River trail in the long run. >>>> >>>> Coming from the District out to Easton, you can cross Easton Hill Rd. and >>> continue out West Run Rd. where it dead-ends at I-68. Crossing the >>> intersection by Easton School will be a challenge. Before I-68, West Run >>> Rd. used to continue up the hill to Pierpont Rd. (Who hasn't ridden through >>> the West Run culverts under I-68? Perhaps you missed the BB initiation >>> ceremony;) >>>> >>>> Don Spencer has told me that there has been some discussion of running a >>> trail along the west side of I-68 over to Sabraton. We should explore this. >>> Then, we could connect with the Decker Creek trail and have a bicycle >>> beltway around the City:) My concern remains that if we put all our energy >>> into projects like this, it will eventually become impossible to ride your >>> bike from the trail to any practical destination because we were diverted >>> from reclaiming the streets that were ours to being with. >>>> >>>> At Easton, going up Easton Hill and across the Mileground should be an >>> option that could be handled by a bicycle climbing lane. If they can crane >>> a shopping center and housing development on the side of that hill and add a >>> full-width travel lane and roundabouts to the Mileground, they can add 8 >>> feet to Easton Hill for a bicycle climbing lane! I still occasionally ride >>> up Easton Hill. It's not pleasant and if you don't take the lane, you'll >>> get squeezed into the guard rail. It is nearly impossible to walk up or >>> down there though because there is absolutely no shoulder. >>> >>> Untrue! >>> We've seen our buddy NickH going up it a few times. Did not seem like >>> it would be a pleasant experience *at* *all*. But maybe Nick can >>> chime in here. >>> >>>> The hundreds of people living in that valley now would be stranded and >>> starve to death when the gasoline runs out. >>> >>> And this would be a bad thing? >>> >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Gunnar Shogren wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wider road and signage. >>>>> I've biked on it off and on throughout the years, problem is that it >>>>> just doesn't lead anywhere easily, there's a big hill off it as soon >>>>> as you go toward town, or even go away from town. >>>>> Sure not many folks use it now, but perhaps they would if even to go >>>>> from Apt complex to complex, to play XBox or Magic: The Gathering. >>>>> Widen that puppy and put some signs up. Nice wide shoulder just to >>>>> ease the minds of less experienced cyclists as well. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Chet Parsons <chetparsons(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>> I think Bill Austin already has this stuff in his head, but here's my >>> two >>>>>> cents. >>>>>> The section from Van Voorhis to Stewartstown can be used in combination >>> of >>>>>> on-street markings and using the floodplain owned by WVU (basically >>> from the >>>>>> dairy farm to Pineview). Once you get to Stewartstown, Ryan is right. >>>>>> You'll need to cut down behind Copper Beech and up between it and the >>> stuff >>>>>> up on the backside of the Mileground. Follow that route until you get >>> to >>>>>> Easton School, which will be closed soon anyway. Then tie in to >>> whatever >>>>>> new development is getting ready to go in along 857 out to I-68. If >>> you >>>>>> haven't noticed, the DOH has been clearing and widening 857 for about 4 >>>>>> months now and my bet is that there will be a new development with an >>>>>> additional access point by summer. >>>>>> Another option, but will probably be a more expensive easement, is to >>> create >>>>>> a couple switchbacks up the farm on the opposite side of the hill as >>> West >>>>>> Run Apartments and then run a path through the apartment complex and >>> out to >>>>>> 119/857. >>>>>> Chet >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ryan Post <rpostwvu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> West Run, from Stewartstown to 119 (where all the houses are), is >>> twisty, >>>>>>> narrow and hilly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given those conditions, it can never be bike friendly. Road needs >>> widened >>>>>>> and/or straightened significantly. Or create a separate bike/walk >>> path. I >>>>>>> doubt many would walk however, since there’s very little within ½ >>> mile. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It’s a no-man’s land of bad planning and shouldn’t have been Zoned on >>> w/o >>>>>>> correcting the road first, IMO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] >>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Frank Gmeindl >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:36 AM >>>>>>> To: Bicycle Board >>>>>>> Subject: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bicycle Board Members, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Heads up. What are your ideas for making West Run more bicycle >>> friendly? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know what DOH is planning for West Run yet. I'll keep you >>> posted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Bill Austin" <baustin(a)moncpc.org> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: January 11, 2011 4:30:44 PM EST >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: "'Frank Gmeindl'" <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Work on West Run >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frank, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DOH has a project to improve West Run. They would like to work with >>> you >>>>>>> and the Board on the proper way to accommodate cyclists. I would >>> appreciate >>>>>>> discussing the matter with you prior to the CAC Meeting Thursday. >>> Also, they >>>>>>> let me know they identified five grates along Mon Boulevard that they >>> will >>>>>>> be replacing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill Austin, AICP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Executive Director >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Morgantown Monongalia MPO >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Morgantown, WVA 26505 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 304-291-9571 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 304-692-7225 Mobile >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> “Nobody can go back and make a new beginning, but anyone can start >>> today >>>>>>> and make a new ending.”-Maria Robinson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Bikeboard mailing list >>>>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >>>>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Bikeboard mailing list >>>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >>>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Bikeboard mailing list >>>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >>>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard

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Bicycling Education Grant Proposal
by Frank Gmeindl 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

Jeff, Please find attached, the Bicycle Board's proposal for the follow-on Morgantown Effective Bicycling Education Program grant. The attached folder includes the proposal, a report of accomplishments over the first year of the current grant and a detailed cost estimate worksheet for the proposed follow-on. We provide the detailed cost estimate worksheet for your information. The cost portion of the proposal contains a summary cost for each of the proposed 14 tasks. We did not include the detailed cost estimate in the proposal because it may contain more detail than the WVDOT wants. Please let me know if this satisfies your needs for submission to the WVDOT. Frank D. Gmeindl Chairman, Morgantown Municipal Bicycle Board LCI #1703 491 WilsonAvenue Morgantown, WV 26501 304-376-0446 Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles

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Re: [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run
by Chet Parsons 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

I think Bill Austin already has this stuff in his head, but here's my two cents. The section from Van Voorhis to Stewartstown can be used in combination of on-street markings and using the floodplain owned by WVU (basically from the dairy farm to Pineview). Once you get to Stewartstown, Ryan is right. You'll need to cut down behind Copper Beech and up between it and the stuff up on the backside of the Mileground. Follow that route until you get to Easton School, which will be closed soon anyway. Then tie in to whatever new development is getting ready to go in along 857 out to I-68. If you haven't noticed, the DOH has been clearing and widening 857 for about 4 months now and my bet is that there will be a new development with an additional access point by summer. Another option, but will probably be a more expensive easement, is to create a couple switchbacks up the farm on the opposite side of the hill as West Run Apartments and then run a path through the apartment complex and out to 119/857. Chet On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ryan Post <rpostwvu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > West Run, from Stewartstown to 119 (where all the houses are), is twisty, > narrow and hilly. > > > > Given those conditions, it can never be bike friendly. Road needs widened > and/or straightened significantly. Or create a separate bike/walk path. I > doubt many would walk however, since there’s very little within ½ mile. > > > > It’s a no-man’s land of bad planning and shouldn’t have been Zoned on w/o > correcting the road first, IMO. > > > > *From:* bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] *On > Behalf Of *Frank Gmeindl > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:36 AM > *To:* Bicycle Board > *Subject:* [Bikeboard] Fwd: Work on West Run > > > > Bicycle Board Members, > > > > Heads up. What are your ideas for making West Run more bicycle friendly? > > > > I don't know what DOH is planning for West Run yet. I'll keep you posted. > > > > Frank > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > *From: *"Bill Austin" <baustin(a)moncpc.org> > > *Date: *January 11, 2011 4:30:44 PM EST > > *To: *"'Frank Gmeindl'" <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> > > *Subject: Work on West Run* > > > > Frank, > > > > DOH has a project to improve West Run. They would like to work with you and > the Board on the proper way to accommodate cyclists. I would appreciate > discussing the matter with you prior to the CAC Meeting Thursday. Also, they > let me know they identified five grates along Mon Boulevard that they will > be replacing. > > > > Thanks, > > > > *Bill Austin, AICP* > > *Executive Director* > > *Morgantown Monongalia MPO* > > 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 > > Morgantown, WVA 26505 > > 304-291-9571 > > 304-692-7225 Mobile > > > > “Nobody can go back and make a new beginning, but anyone can start today > and make a new ending.”-Maria Robinson > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikeboard mailing list > Bikeboard(a)cheat.org > http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >

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Survey
by Frank Gmeindl 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

Parking Committee Members, As we discussed at this morning's meeting, we are going to do a survey to determine who would use bike lockers, how much they would be willing to pay and where we should put them. If you have additional ideas on what we should try to learn with the survey or how we should construct the survey, please reply-all with them. Thanks to all of you that turned out in these challenging conditions! Frank

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Venue change
by Frank Gmeindl 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

Zen Clay doesn't open til 10. Parking meeting moved to McDonalds.

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Fwd: Work on West Run
by Frank Gmeindl 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

Bicycle Board Members, Heads up. What are your ideas for making West Run more bicycle friendly? I don't know what DOH is planning for West Run yet. I'll keep you posted. Frank Begin forwarded message: > From: "Bill Austin" <baustin(a)moncpc.org> > Date: January 11, 2011 4:30:44 PM EST > To: "'Frank Gmeindl'" <frank.gmeindl(a)comcast.net> > Subject: Work on West Run > > Frank, > > DOH has a project to improve West Run. They would like to work with you and the Board on the proper way to accommodate cyclists. I would appreciate discussing the matter with you prior to the CAC Meeting Thursday. Also, they let me know they identified five grates along Mon Boulevard that they will be replacing. > > Thanks, > > Bill Austin, AICP > Executive Director > Morgantown Monongalia MPO > 82 Hart Field Road Ste. 105 > Morgantown, WVA 26505 > 304-291-9571 > 304-692-7225 Mobile > > “Nobody can go back and make a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending.”-Maria Robinson > >

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Parking Committee Meeting
by Gunnar Shogren 11 Jan '11

11 Jan '11

Speak up now or forever hold your peace, On whether or not you think the meeting should go on, or enough of you won't be able to make it, in which case we'll postpone it. As of now, it is on, but Alice can't make it.

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