Bikeboard September 2008

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[Fwd: FW: Bicyclists, motorists warned to share road]
by Frank Gmeindl 21 Sep '08

21 Sep '08

Bicycle Board Members, The link below goes to a Pgh. Post-Gazette article. It is impressive that Penn DOT, City Police and County Health Department, rather than obvious bicycle advocates, are promoting share the road signage and education. Especially impressive is that you have the Penn DOT guy saying, "Bicyclists have the same right to the road as motorists, but they also have the same duties and responsibilities as motorists" Frank -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FW: Bicyclists, motorists warned to share road Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:54:10 -0400 From: Don Spencer <dspencer36(a)comcast.net> To: Frank Gmeindl <fgmeindl(a)verizon.net> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08264/913720-85.stm

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Education vs. Infrastructure
by Frank Gmeindl 14 Sep '08

14 Sep '08

Bicycle Board Members, When we get our Transportation Enhancement Program grant, I wonder if we can produce some cool educational materials such as this: http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/09/11/whats-wrong-with-this-pictur… This one sheet provides a very clear and somewhat entertaining perspective on bike lanes. Frank

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[Fwd: PLEASE DON'T REPLY!!!] - Nevermind:(
by Frank Gmeindl 14 Sep '08

14 Sep '08

Bicycle Board Members, Never mind my last message. Your replies to the message Subject: [Fwd: [LCI Group] Fwd: [MBAC] Shared Lane Markings Intallation and Mayor's Press Conference] aren't going back to the LCI Group. They're going to a folder from which I read my LCI group messages and when I saw my message to you and Don Spencer's reply to it in the list of LCI messages in that folder, I thought they were also on the LCI group. They're not so you can reply to whatever to your heart's content! Sorry for cluttering your in-box! Frank -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Bikeboard] PLEASE DON'T REPLY!!! Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:45:01 -0400 From: Frank Gmeindl <fgmeindl(a)verizon.net> To: Bicycle Board <bikeboard(a)cheat.org> Bicycle Board Members, Please do not reply to the message that I sent you Subject: [Fwd: [LCI Group] Fwd: [MBAC] Shared Lane Markings Intallation and Mayor's Press Conference]!!! Somehow I screwed up and my message and your replies are going to the private moderated list from which I forwarded it. That violates the policy of that list and I don't want to get kicked off! Frank _______________________________________________ Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard(a)cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard

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PLEASE DON'T REPLY!!!
by Frank Gmeindl 14 Sep '08

14 Sep '08

Bicycle Board Members, Please do not reply to the message that I sent you Subject: [Fwd: [LCI Group] Fwd: [MBAC] Shared Lane Markings Intallation and Mayor's Press Conference]!!! Somehow I screwed up and my message and your replies are going to the private moderated list from which I forwarded it. That violates the policy of that list and I don't want to get kicked off! Frank

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[Fwd: [LCI Group] Fwd: [MBAC] Shared Lane Markings Intallation and Mayor's Press Conference]
by Frank Gmeindl 14 Sep '08

14 Sep '08

Bicycle Board Members, Below is an announcement by Salt Lake City of their installation of Shared Lane Markings and Bicycles May Use Full Lane signs. Apparently, they're only adding them to one street (which I think demonstrates a lack of commitment) but what I found interesting, even entertaining is that they're putting a 4-foot wide non-slip, green stripe running longitudinally *in the center of the outside travel lane* between the SLMs. Can you imagine? :-) Also note that the _Mayor _is having a press conference on the street on which the markings and signs will be placed to discuss the project. Frank ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Bergenthal, Dan* <Dan.Bergenthal(a)slcgov.com <mailto:Dan.Bergenthal@slcgov.com>> Date: Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:52 AM Subject: [MBAC] Shared Lane Markings Intallation and Mayor's Press Conference To: mbac(a)cyclingutah.com <mailto:mbac@cyclingutah.com> Cc: "Langan, Helen" <Helen.Langan(a)slcgov.com <mailto:Helen.Langan@slcgov.com>> MBAC Members, Tomorrow, 9/13, installation will begin on the city's new shared lane markings on 200 South between Main St. and State St. The Mayor will hold a press conference on Wednesday, September 17th at 10:30 am on the SE corner of 200 South Main St. to discuss the project. In brief the shared lane markings on 200 South are intended to: 1. Help bicyclists position themselves in lanes where the traveled way is too narrow for a motorist and bicyclists to travel side by side within the same traffic lane. 2. Encourage safe passing of bicyclists by motorists. 3. Alert road users of the lateral location bicyclists may occupy. 4. Reduce the incidents of wrong-way bicycling. The shared lane marking consists of a bicycle symbol placed below two chevrons and is placed periodically in the outside travel lanes. To draw additional attention to the shared lanes, Salt Lake City is complimenting the new markings by adding a 4-foot wide, non-slip, green stripe running longitudinally in the center of the outside travel lane. Salt Lake City will be the first to combine shared lane markings with colored pavement. In addition to the pavement markings, regulatory signs will be installed along the sides of the roadway which combine a bicycle symbol with the text: MAY USE FULL LANE. We are excited about this new addition to our bicycle facilities within the city!! Please plan to attend the press conference to demonstrate your support for the project! Dan Dan Bergenthal, P.E. Salt Lake City Transportation Division <http://www.slcgov.com/Transportation/> 349 South 200 East, Suite 450 P.O. Box 145502 Salt Lake City, UT 84114-5502 801-535-7106 _______________________________________________ MBAC mailing list MBAC(a)lists.cyclingutah.com <mailto:MBAC@lists.cyclingutah.com> http://lists.cyclingutah.com/listinfo.cgi/mbac-cyclingutah.com -- How often I have lain beneath rain on a strange roof, thinking of home. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the "LCI Group." To post to this group, send email to lci-group(a)googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lci-group-unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lci-group?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---

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Traffic Commission meeting
by Frank Gmeindl 13 Sep '08

13 Sep '08

Bicycle Board Members, At last Wednesday's Traffic Commission meeting: 1. The TC unanimously appointed Derek Springston and Chris Phillips new BB members and welcomed Jim Rye back. 2. Accepted the press release that Betsy and I wrote. However, Terry Hough objected to my passing it out to the Traffic Commission and said that she would work with the BB when it is appropriate. (I'm still kicking myself for not reading it aloud to the TC members since the meetings are televised. The outcome is probably that nobody but me an Betsy knowwhat's in it and that's the end.) 3. I introduced Mark Wise to address the trail stripe issue. He invited TC members to join the committee that he's forming to resolve the stripe issue. No TC members volunteered. In advance of the meeting, I provided the TC the Authoritative Guidelines for Trail Striping that Jonathan developed. The TC looked them over and I think that Mark recognized that whatever his committee does, it will have to conform to those guidelines. When Roy Nutter, TC Chairman, asked Mark what the problem was with the trail stripe, Mark said, "There's too much". I couldn't believe that he didn't even recognize that the stripe isn't even in the middle of the trail in most places. That's all. Frank

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[Fwd: Re: Parking Plan for City]
by Frank Gmeindl 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Jonathan, I added Figure 9C-2 in the attached. Figure 9B-2 doesn't really add much value. I will send the attached to the TC secretary to distribute to the TC tomorrow. Frank -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Parking Plan for City Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:56:04 -0400 From: Frank Gmeindl <fgmeindl(a)verizon.net> To: Jonathan Rosenbaum <freesource(a)cheat.org> CC: 'Bicycle Board' <bikeboard(a)cheat.org>, Don Spencer <dlspencer(a)adelphia.net> References: <48C1E787.50606(a)verizon.net> <48C4BB7E.1030403(a)cheat.org><405CF8ED69D94E30AA44E847D761E462@donhome> <48C567A1.8000009(a)cheat.org> <E2107661272E4E51BE59130117FA53B4@donhome> <48C686A0.5030906(a)verizon.net> <48C6D66B.3090106(a)cheat.org> Jonathan, Thank you! That is perfect. Can you include Figures 9C-2 and 9B-2? Frank Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote: > Frank, > > The authoritative guidelines I have, as disclosed in early > correspondences, are directly from the AASHTO and MUTCD and are > attached to this message. > > The Bicycle Parking Committee's plan should be ready for the November > 5th TC meeting. There is a slight possibility we may have it out > earlier, but it appears that everyone on our committee is > substantially busy this month. We will certainly attempt to get it > out earlier if possible, and then seek approval from the BB by email. > After this email conversation with Don it has become clear to me > what the nature of that plan should be, it certainly won't be the > product(s) itself, that was something that wasn't clear to us, but > rather it will be a description of the objectives we want implemented > in the City, the methodology in which we hope to see those objectives > realized and the desired outcome. (Light bulb thought: Franks October > 5, 2006 Bike Board Plan handout.) Ironically, without realizing it I > answered my own question, in that initial email I sent out, about how > we can "explore the applicability of WVU's planning process" to this > plan. To be honest, we really didn't have a clear picture about how > the two parts of the action item #38 fit together until this ensuing > conversation. Now we are on the right direction in the construction > of a plan that will be acted on properly by the City! > > Don, other than January, are there other City budget planning periods > in which we could introduce a budget item? > > -Jonathan > "Just another trained monkey." > > Frank Gmeindl wrote: >> Jonathan, >> >> My original request was for authoritative guidelines for trail >> striping. You had got pretty close to finding such. What's the best >> you have? >> >> As you well recognize, any leeway we give non-cyclists to decide how >> to control cyclists, the more chance there is for error. Ideally, we >> would give the TC and BOPARC exact specifications (length, width, >> spacing, color, location, material) tomorrow night and cite a >> national authoritative source. If we can't do that, what we give >> them should at least be from a national authoritative source and not >> compromise bicyclist safety on the trail. >> >> What will you bring? >> >> If I were to discuss parking in the Bicycle Board Report portion of >> the TC agenda, I would only say that we are working on a plan. Can >> you give me a date for when that plan will be ready to deliver to the TC? >> >> Frank >> >> Don Spencer wrote: >>> >>> Jonathan – I disagree with the idea of going to Tom Arnold without >>> our doing our homework fist. We cannot dump the problem on him and >>> expect a positive response. >>> >>> >>> >>> Remember the old outhouse saying? “No job is ever finished until the >>> paperwork is done!” >>> >>> >>> >>> I believe that we need to do our work as a Bicycle Board first. >>> That’s what I understand that we are here for. >>> >>> >>> >>> Perhaps we need to recruit more members for the Parking Committee to >>> help on this. >>> >>> >>> >>> Don >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org >>> [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Rosenbaum >>> *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2008 1:58 PM >>> *To:* 'Bicycle Board' >>> *Subject:* Re: [Bikeboard] Parking Plan for City >>> >>> >>> >>> Don, this is good to hear, and it makes valid sense that someone >>> from the Parking Authority could be that person we are looking for. >>> Someone who would not only address Bicycle Parking on City >>> proprieties, but who would also address Bicycle Parking Facilities >>> on all potential City properties. >>> >>> At this point I am fed up with creating plans, it seems like it is >>> the only thing I spend my time doing these days. Plans mean >>> absolutely nothing if they aren't acted on. Two years ago, the >>> Bicycle Board presented a comprehensive plan to the TC, how much >>> mileage have we gotten out of that? >>> >>> The Bicycle Parking Committee has amassed a huge amount of >>> information on Bicycle Parking Standards and we would be happy to >>> present that again to the BB as we have done in the past. This is >>> the same information that was presented to WVU including some >>> information which overlaps what we presented to the High Schools. >>> We have already spent substantial amount time collecting and >>> becoming experts in this area, including follow-up meetings to >>> solidify this knowledge. Now time is running low, if you want to >>> see a budget item by this January, we need to act now, we can't just >>> endlessly (and mindlessly) keep running this by the BB at meetings. >>> What is our vision for Bicycle Parking in Morgantown? It's the same >>> vision that is the founding statement of the Bike Board. >>> >>> So let's get into contact with the Parking Authority now (today or >>> tomorrow) and find out what their commitment level would be. If >>> they aren't interested let's find out who else the City could offer >>> via the TC or City Council. Otherwise, this is just going to drag >>> on and on and nothing will ever be accomplished. What do people on >>> the Bicycle Board think about going this route? >>> >>> -Jonathan >>> >>> >>> Don Spencer wrote: >>> >>> Jonathan - I believe that we already have someone that we can work with and >>> that is Tom Arnold from the Parking Authority. Nearly two years ago he >>> expressed a willingness to work with us in generating parking centers in the >>> Parking Garage, but we were not able to follow-up on his willingness at that >>> time. >>> >>> I believe that the first cut on all parking planning needs to be the Parking >>> Authority. Once we have something that is acceptable, then we can go to the >>> Traffic Commission and ask for their support in presenting whatever we need >>> to communicate or request to the City Manager and the City Council. >>> >>> Before we go to Tom again, however, we need to have a draft comprehensive >>> parking vision and plan that the Bicycle Board has reviewed. Hopefully Hugh >>> Kierig will be able to dialog with us in putting a preliminary plan >>> together. >>> >>> Don >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: bikeboard-bounces(a)cheat.org <mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org> [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On >>> Behalf Of Jonathan Rosenbaum >>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:43 AM >>> To: Bicycle Board >>> Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Trail stripe >>> >>> I plan to be there, thanks on this Frank. Mark must be a telephone >>> person because he never responded to an email I sent him last month. In >>> relation to that, I have another item I'd like to bring up to the TC, >>> and I would hope this is a fairly obvious one to the BB, and that I have >>> your (BB) support. There will be a lengthy explanation (because I enjoy >>> wasting lots of time saying the obvious), but please read it all if you >>> can. >>> >>> When developing a strategy to get the City/County to act, >>> "communication with collaboration" is the most important ingredient to >>> reach a successful outcome. In some areas I've been working on that >>> strategy has been well demonstrated. With the Campus Connector project >>> of the WVU Committee from the very beginning many key players have been >>> involved which include the Assistant City Manager (paid employee) and >>> several City Council people. Even more importantly, Jim Hunt (paid >>> Director of Sunnyside Up) has been actively involved in the funding >>> aspects and fully supports the connector because Sunnyside Up will be a >>> beneficiary. Meanwhile, WVU Facilities & Services has the WVU property >>> side covered and have done their own independent studies. The only real >>> obstacle to the success of the CC are some unresolved property issues on >>> the City side of the connector. However, there has been no lack of >>> communication or collaboration in this pursuit, nor will the connector >>> be built in a haphazard way because there are too many eyes watching the >>> process. Significantly, there are paid people involved, so there is a >>> high degree of accountability involved in doing it right and actually >>> getting it done. >>> >>> At a prior BB meeting, it was asked how can the City copy what WVU did >>> with Bicycle Parking? In the case of the WVU Committee's work with WVU >>> this April/May, a paid employee, the Campus Planner, listened to our >>> recommendations which included APBP standards developed from countless >>> hours of research that establish proper rack standards, proper sizing, >>> spacing and placement specifications, other recommendations included >>> examples from other Cities and Campuses, recommendations about different >>> types of parking and applications in relation to long and short term >>> parking, security/sheltered parking, planning for future expansion of >>> parking, and the list goes on. He listened to us and determined what >>> could be accomplished in the first phase given the present budget. Then >>> he went out and did a study of all locations that met the specifications >>> we presented to him in relation to the budget, and then he brought back >>> that study for our input. That same process was repeated over again a >>> second time so that we could provide secondary feedback for a finalized >>> study. This study was then presented to the campus facilities and >>> grounds budget committee for approval. Again, there was no lack of >>> communication or collaboration in this process. >>> >>> On the other hand, with the Bicycle Parking Committee of the BB, which >>> has a great group of volunteers, the one important thing that has been >>> lacking is a close relationship between our committee and a dedicated >>> employee from within the City similar to the Campus Planner from WVU. >>> One who could listen to our recommendations and work closely with us >>> from the ground floor up to put together a comprehensive budget item for >>> the City this January (discussed during the August BB meeting). The >>> advantages of such a relationship are obvious, first of all this >>> employee will become intimately knowledgeable about what recommendations >>> the Bicycle Board wants implemented, second of all, this employee will >>> be accountable to the City to get it right through a process of >>> communication and feedback with the BB. Asking volunteers to put >>> together a budget item without having a City employee working with them >>> who is an expert on City property and budget details is not a productive >>> process and will greatly limit our success. I would really hate to see >>> the City get bicycle parking wrong because it would be an incredible >>> waste of time, the facilities wouldn't be used, and it would send a >>> terrible message to citizens. If anything - given the City's commitment >>> to reducing traffic congestion - if the City really wants to send a >>> powerful, positive message out to the citizens of Morgantown, they will >>> authorize existing employees to spend part of their paid hours working >>> closely with committees like the BB to provide compelling alternatives >>> to the common way most people travel in this town. In the case of >>> bicycle parking, if you do get it right, it sends out a message to >>> citizens that the City fully supports and encourages people to commute >>> by bicycle. The better those bicycle parking facilities are, the >>> stronger the message sent out. Proper bicycle parking facilities >>> provide an impressive kind of PR and will get many people out on their >>> bicycles. Ofcourse, painting stripes incorrectly on the rail-trail, >>> including in a multi-million area whose charm is linked heavily to the >>> rail-trail is the worst kind of PR imaginable. I would hope the City >>> has learned their lesson from this and will now work much closer with us. >>> >>> In review, I want to ask the TC to request that the City authorize a >>> City employee who is knowledgeable in City property and budget details >>> to work closely with the Bicycle Board's Parking Committee to realize a >>> Bicycle Parking budget item for this January 2009's City Budget that >>> would include facilities on City properties including the City's parking >>> garages. The expectations and reasoning for such a collaborative >>> employee are discussed above. >>> >>> Versione completata. >>> >>> -Jonathan >>> >>> Frank Gmeindl wrote: >>> >>>> Bicycle Board Members, >>>> >>>> At yesterday's Bicycle Board meeting, I took an action item to call Mark >>>> Wise, BOPARC Director, to find out why the trail striping committee that >>>> he told us at our July meeting he would form hasn't met yet. I called >>>> Mark today to tell him that I was aware that the committee has yet to >>>> organize and meet. I also asked him for a timeline or at least a target >>>> date for doing something with the current rail trail stripe situation so >>>> that I could inform the Traffic Commission at next Wednesday's meeting. >>>> He said that he will attend the meeting and ask for a member of the >>>> Traffic Commission to join the committee that he said he's going to form. >>>> >>>> Since Don Spencer and Jonathan Rosenbaum volunteered at our July meeting >>>> to join Mark's committee, I would like to encourage them to attend next >>>> Wednesday's Traffic Commission meeting. It begins at 6:30 pm and is in >>>> Council Chambers. >>>> >>>> When we originally recommended the stripe and the Keep Right signs to >>>> the Traffic Commission, they spent a lot of time developing >>>> specifications for where the stripe would be applied as well as the >>>> stripe's size, shape and color. Unfortunately, none of that was >>>> captured in the minutes and we all know what we got. >>>> >>>> If all the right people are at the Traffic Commission meeting next >>>> Wednesday, it is possible that the corrective action can be decided >>>> right then and there instead of dragging out through numerous meetings. >>>> It would probably also be tremendously helpful if someone came with some >>>> authoritative guidelines for trail striping. >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Bikeboard mailing list >>>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> >>>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bikeboard mailing list >>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org <mailto:Bikeboard@cheat.org> >>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bikeboard mailing list >>> Bikeboard(a)cheat.org >>> http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard >>> >

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Minutes (Please note homework assignment!)
by Elizabeth Shogren 10 Sep '08

10 Sep '08

Attached please find the minutes of the September BB meeting. If you have corrections, please contact me directly. Please note the homework assignment for ALL BB members. It is described under Agenda Item 6. THANK YOU!! BETSY SHOGREN

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Yet another handout
by Frank Gmeindl 10 Sep '08

10 Sep '08

Barbara, Attached is yet another handout that I would like you to print and copy for the TC tomorrow. This one provides authoritative guidelines for rail-trail stripes. To avoid confusion, I'm attaching again, the 3 handouts that I'd like you to print and copy for the TC. They include: 1. Bicycle Board Membership List 2. Press Release for Shared Lane Markings 3. Authoritative Guidelines for Trail Stripes. Thanks! See you tomorrow! Frank

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Trail stripe
by Frank Gmeindl 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

Bicycle Board Members, At yesterday's Bicycle Board meeting, I took an action item to call Mark Wise, BOPARC Director, to find out why the trail striping committee that he told us at our July meeting he would form hasn't met yet. I called Mark today to tell him that I was aware that the committee has yet to organize and meet. I also asked him for a timeline or at least a target date for doing something with the current rail trail stripe situation so that I could inform the Traffic Commission at next Wednesday's meeting. He said that he will attend the meeting and ask for a member of the Traffic Commission to join the committee that he said he's going to form. Since Don Spencer and Jonathan Rosenbaum volunteered at our July meeting to join Mark's committee, I would like to encourage them to attend next Wednesday's Traffic Commission meeting. It begins at 6:30 pm and is in Council Chambers. When we originally recommended the stripe and the Keep Right signs to the Traffic Commission, they spent a lot of time developing specifications for where the stripe would be applied as well as the stripe's size, shape and color. Unfortunately, none of that was captured in the minutes and we all know what we got. If all the right people are at the Traffic Commission meeting next Wednesday, it is possible that the corrective action can be decided right then and there instead of dragging out through numerous meetings. It would probably also be tremendously helpful if someone came with some authoritative guidelines for trail striping. Frank

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