Jim.

Is HB 4346 a new bill addressing their authority?

When I was lobbying for WVEC I seem to recall that there is a law on the books restricting DEP from ever investigating or writing any rules that go beyond that authorized by the CAA & CWA.

Am I recalling that correctly? Is 4346 passed? What does it do essentially beyond the original progress prohibition?

Allan

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On Sep 10, 2014, at 12:12 PM, James Kotcon jkotcon@wvu.edu wrote:

Allan, et al.

We are planning a forum on this topic at the WVEC Fall Convention (Oct. 17-19 at Cedar Lakes in Ripley). This will likely be on Saturday, Oct. 18. The meeting is joint with the WV Highlands Conservancy Fall review, and legislative strategies are the primary topic. I also hope to emphasize some state agency actions, as WV-DEP will need to propose a state implementation Plan to EPA under the proposed greenhouse gas standards for power plants in the Clean Power Plan. EPA is urging states to "think beyond the fence" to include energy efficiency, renewables, and fuel switching , something that DEP may not be inclined to do. I think that will mean a significant effort to get DEP (which regulates "inside the fence" pollution controls) to work with the WV-PSC (which would over see energy efficiency and other "outside the fence" activities).

A key step may be to amend the horrible HB 4346 which limits DEP's authority to implement greenhouse gas standards.

There may be other, more holistic approaches, but a lot of that may depend on whether the Democrats keep control of the WV House of Delegates, and whether we can defeat some of the most extreme climate deniers.

Who will be joining us?

Jim Kotcon

From: Allan Tweddle allantweddle@msn.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:22 AM To: cclwv@googlegroups.com Cc: cclwv@googlegroups.com; Gary Zuckett CAG; WVEC Email List; Don GARVIN; Vivian Stockman; Janet Keating; Sierra Club Environmental Comm.; John Barry; James Kotcon Subject: Re: Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Colleagues

First, thank you Paul and Regan for your kind words. I'm better, but not 100% yet.

I believe part of my condition is caused by the air quality of the area. As and engineer who is dealt with air quality issues for 50 years, including air sampling for pollution conditions around manufacturing operations all the way through to design and clean rooms, I am very familiar with the process and the technical details of air-quality.

But I do not have the instruments or the support staff to evaluate air-quality here as I used to have and my career days in California and Ontario.

I do know however that I have often driven near the railway tracks that charge through Charleston and seen, in the proper sunlight conditions, the fine particulate dust blowing off the railcars as they passed through town. I've inquired, but that's never been analyzed, never been measured and is an unknown.

But one doesn't need sophisticated instruments to see that that dust is being dispersed all on the communities through which these trains, sometimes it very high speeds, traverse.

That brings me to a point I want to make. Air-quality is definitely a local issue. The EPA can establish national standards, and the local agencies can then implement a plan to measure against those standards. But in my opinion the evaluation of very close proximity conditions in West Virginia are never taken into account unless the public rises up and demands them.

That also applies to climate change. There is yet another article in the Charleston Gazette today describing how carbon dioxide levels in the upper atmosphere Have already passed 350 ppm last year and are approaching the 400 ppm. Scientists consider the 400 parts, if achieved on a consistent basis to be very seriously detrimental to life as we know it all over the planet including in West Virginia.

Addressing the issue and pressing for action requires a strong voice here in West Virginia. And I personally believe the economic opportunities that exist for addressing climate change are out there and need to be described to our policy makers repeatedly.

While CCL is working diligently at the national level to seek logical and incremental steps towards controlling climate change, given the political barriers, we must be doing more at the state level in my opinion.

That is why I have proposed to WVEC, CAG, OVEC, and others that we come together and join forces to mount a single voice to address climate change in West Virginia.

It is an issue that is complex and crosses all of the constituencies of the entire environmental movement in West Virginia. To be successful, the legislatures got to know that there is a large constituency, a coming together of all of the organizations, to force them to pay attention to not just the dangers of doing nothing, but of the economic opportunities that are out there for addressing climate change.

if we can come together somewhere in sometime in October, and begin to develop a comprehensive plan, then we will be ready to present our thoughts to the legislature in January.

But I must look to each of the leadership of the various organizations to talk to one another and decide where they would like to do this.

However, I need to hear from the leadership of each of the organizations. Is there interest in coming together in the manner I am suggesting? Or is there an alternative concepts?

I'd like to hear from the leadership to know if this is making sense, and if so let's plan a specific time and meet, probably here in Charleston, To begin thinking about how to plan and implement a new voice of reason for addressing climate change here in West Virginia.

I can offer a venue for such a meeting that is easy and convenient to reach. I must ask for permission from Temple Israel for such a meeting, but I believe Rabbi would approve such a gathering as long as it's not on the Sabbath.

Please, let me hear from you

Allan

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On Sep 9, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Regan E Quinn reganequinn@frontier.com wrote:

...

bravo

...

On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Paul Epstein wrote:

Good work both of you! Hope you're feeling much better, Allan.

www.awarewv.org Paul Epstein 304.343.5074 www.paulepstein.net

...

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Jim Probst probstfurnituremakers@gmail.com wrote: It's been a good couple of days for Charleston CCL with Alan's excellent op-ed on Sunday and I got one published in today's paper. http://www.wvgazette.com/article/20140909/ARTICLE/140909344/1134

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Jim etal

Very interesting article on front page of Sundays Gazette Mail, Section 5, "Should coal be king in West Virginia politics?"

One might stretch its content a bit and conclude Speaker Miley and Senate President Kessler are open to our thinking...planning beyond coal, retraining miners and incentivizing renewables .

Allan

From: Allan Tweddle Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:34 PM To: James Kotcon Cc: cclwv@googlegroups.com ; Gary Zuckett CAG ; WVEC Email List ; Don GARVIN ; Vivian Stockman ; Janet Keating ; Sierra Club Environmental Comm. ; John Barry Subject: Re: Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Jim.

I plan to be there, at least on the 18th if that is when climate change will be on the agenda.

Allan

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On Sep 10, 2014, at 12:12 PM, James Kotcon jkotcon@wvu.edu wrote:

Allan, et al.

We are planning a forum on this topic at the WVEC Fall Convention (Oct. 17-19 at Cedar Lakes in Ripley). This will likely be on Saturday, Oct. 18. The meeting is joint with the WV Highlands Conservancy Fall review, and legislative strategies are the primary topic. I also hope to emphasize some state agency actions, as WV-DEP will need to propose a state implementation Plan to EPA under the proposed greenhouse gas standards for power plants in the Clean Power Plan. EPA is urging states to "think beyond the fence" to include energy efficiency, renewables, and fuel switching , something that DEP may not be inclined to do. I think that will mean a significant effort to get DEP (which regulates "inside the fence" pollution controls) to work with the WV-PSC (which would over see energy efficiency and other "outside the fence" activities).

A key step may be to amend the horrible HB 4346 which limits DEP's authority to implement greenhouse gas standards.

There may be other, more holistic approaches, but a lot of that may depend on whether the Democrats keep control of the WV House of Delegates, and whether we can defeat some of the most extreme climate deniers.

Who will be joining us?

Jim Kotcon

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Allan Tweddle allantweddle@msn.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:22 AM To: cclwv@googlegroups.com Cc: cclwv@googlegroups.com; Gary Zuckett CAG; WVEC Email List; Don GARVIN; Vivian Stockman; Janet Keating; Sierra Club Environmental Comm.; John Barry; James Kotcon Subject: Re: Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Colleagues

First, thank you Paul and Regan for your kind words. I'm better, but not 100% yet.

I believe part of my condition is caused by the air quality of the area. As and engineer who is dealt with air quality issues for 50 years, including air sampling for pollution conditions around manufacturing operations all the way through to design and clean rooms, I am very familiar with the process and the technical details of air-quality.

But I do not have the instruments or the support staff to evaluate air-quality here as I used to have and my career days in California and Ontario.

I do know however that I have often driven near the railway tracks that charge through Charleston and seen, in the proper sunlight conditions, the fine particulate dust blowing off the railcars as they passed through town. I've inquired, but that's never been analyzed, never been measured and is an unknown.

But one doesn't need sophisticated instruments to see that that dust is being dispersed all on the communities through which these trains, sometimes it very high speeds, traverse.

That brings me to a point I want to make. Air-quality is definitely a local issue. The EPA can establish national standards, and the local agencies can then implement a plan to measure against those standards. But in my opinion the evaluation of very close proximity conditions in West Virginia are never taken into account unless the public rises up and demands them.

That also applies to climate change. There is yet another article in the Charleston Gazette today describing how carbon dioxide levels in the upper atmosphere Have already passed 350 ppm last year and are approaching the 400 ppm. Scientists consider the 400 parts, if achieved on a consistent basis to be very seriously detrimental to life as we know it all over the planet including in West Virginia.

Addressing the issue and pressing for action requires a strong voice here in West Virginia. And I personally believe the economic opportunities that exist for addressing climate change are out there and need to be described to our policy makers repeatedly.

While CCL is working diligently at the national level to seek logical and incremental steps towards controlling climate change, given the political barriers, we must be doing more at the state level in my opinion.

That is why I have proposed to WVEC, CAG, OVEC, and others that we come together and join forces to mount a single voice to address climate change in West Virginia.

It is an issue that is complex and crosses all of the constituencies of the entire environmental movement in West Virginia. To be successful, the legislatures got to know that there is a large constituency, a coming together of all of the organizations, to force them to pay attention to not just the dangers of doing nothing, but of the economic opportunities that are out there for addressing climate change.

if we can come together somewhere in sometime in October, and begin to develop a comprehensive plan, then we will be ready to present our thoughts to the legislature in January.

But I must look to each of the leadership of the various organizations to talk to one another and decide where they would like to do this.

However, I need to hear from the leadership of each of the organizations. Is there interest in coming together in the manner I am suggesting? Or is there an alternative concepts?

I'd like to hear from the leadership to know if this is making sense, and if so let's plan a specific time and meet, probably here in Charleston, To begin thinking about how to plan and implement a new voice of reason for addressing climate change here in West Virginia.

I can offer a venue for such a meeting that is easy and convenient to reach. I must ask for permission from Temple Israel for such a meeting, but I believe Rabbi would approve such a gathering as long as it's not on the Sabbath.

Please, let me hear from you

Allan

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Regan E Quinn reganequinn@frontier.com wrote:

bravo

On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Paul Epstein wrote:

Good work both of you! Hope you're feeling much better, Allan.

www.awarewv.org

Paul Epstein 304.343.5074 www.paulepstein.net

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Jim Probst probstfurnituremakers@gmail.com wrote:

It's been a good couple of days for Charleston CCL with Alan's excellent op-ed on Sunday and I got one published in today's paper. http://www.wvgazette.com/article/20140909/ARTICLE/140909344/1134

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Hi everybody. Added OVEC staff Dan Taylor and Robin Blakeman to this string.

Dan and I are planning to be in Ripley Oct. 17 -19. Robin will try to make the climate topic forum at least, given advance notice of when that part of the weekend will take place.

From: James Kotcon [mailto:jkotcon@wvu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:13 PM To: Allan Tweddle; cclwv@googlegroups.com Cc: Gary Zuckett CAG; WVEC Email List; Don GARVIN; Vivian Stockman; Janet Keating; Sierra Club Environmental Comm.; John Barry Subject: RE: Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Allan, et al.

We are planning a forum on this topic at the WVEC Fall Convention (Oct. 17-19 at Cedar Lakes in Ripley). This will likely be on Saturday, Oct. 18. The meeting is joint with the WV Highlands Conservancy Fall review, and legislative strategies are the primary topic. I also hope to emphasize some state agency actions, as WV-DEP will need to propose a state implementation Plan to EPA under the proposed greenhouse gas standards for power plants in the Clean Power Plan. EPA is urging states to "think beyond the fence" to include energy efficiency, renewables, and fuel switching , something that DEP may not be inclined to do. I think that will mean a significant effort to get DEP (which regulates "inside the fence" pollution controls) to work with the WV-PSC (which would over see energy efficiency and other "outside the fence" activities).

A key step may be to amend the horrible HB 4346 which limits DEP's authority to implement greenhouse gas standards.

There may be other, more holistic approaches, but a lot of that may depend on whether the Democrats keep control of the WV House of Delegates, and whether we can defeat some of the most extreme climate deniers.

Who will be joining us?

Jim Kotcon

_____

From: Allan Tweddle allantweddle@msn.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:22 AM To: cclwv@googlegroups.com Cc: cclwv@googlegroups.com; Gary Zuckett CAG; WVEC Email List; Don GARVIN; Vivian Stockman; Janet Keating; Sierra Club Environmental Comm.; John Barry; James Kotcon Subject: Re: Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Colleagues

First, thank you Paul and Regan for your kind words. I'm better, but not 100% yet.

I believe part of my condition is caused by the air quality of the area. As and engineer who is dealt with air quality issues for 50 years, including air sampling for pollution conditions around manufacturing operations all the way through to design and clean rooms, I am very familiar with the process and the technical details of air-quality.

But I do not have the instruments or the support staff to evaluate air-quality here as I used to have and my career days in California and Ontario.

I do know however that I have often driven near the railway tracks that charge through Charleston and seen, in the proper sunlight conditions, the fine particulate dust blowing off the railcars as they passed through town. I've inquired, but that's never been analyzed, never been measured and is an unknown.

But one doesn't need sophisticated instruments to see that that dust is being dispersed all on the communities through which these trains, sometimes it very high speeds, traverse.

That brings me to a point I want to make. Air-quality is definitely a local issue. The EPA can establish national standards, and the local agencies can then implement a plan to measure against those standards. But in my opinion the evaluation of very close proximity conditions in West Virginia are never taken into account unless the public rises up and demands them.

That also applies to climate change. There is yet another article in the Charleston Gazette today describing how carbon dioxide levels in the upper atmosphere Have already passed 350 ppm last year and are approaching the 400 ppm. Scientists consider the 400 parts, if achieved on a consistent basis to be very seriously detrimental to life as we know it all over the planet including in West Virginia.

Addressing the issue and pressing for action requires a strong voice here in West Virginia. And I personally believe the economic opportunities that exist for addressing climate change are out there and need to be described to our policy makers repeatedly.

While CCL is working diligently at the national level to seek logical and incremental steps towards controlling climate change, given the political barriers, we must be doing more at the state level in my opinion.

That is why I have proposed to WVEC, CAG, OVEC, and others that we come together and join forces to mount a single voice to address climate change in West Virginia.

It is an issue that is complex and crosses all of the constituencies of the entire environmental movement in West Virginia. To be successful, the legislatures got to know that there is a large constituency, a coming together of all of the organizations, to force them to pay attention to not just the dangers of doing nothing, but of the economic opportunities that are out there for addressing climate change.

if we can come together somewhere in sometime in October, and begin to develop a comprehensive plan, then we will be ready to present our thoughts to the legislature in January.

But I must look to each of the leadership of the various organizations to talk to one another and decide where they would like to do this.

However, I need to hear from the leadership of each of the organizations. Is there interest in coming together in the manner I am suggesting? Or is there an alternative concepts?

I'd like to hear from the leadership to know if this is making sense, and if so let's plan a specific time and meet, probably here in Charleston, To begin thinking about how to plan and implement a new voice of reason for addressing climate change here in West Virginia.

I can offer a venue for such a meeting that is easy and convenient to reach. I must ask for permission from Temple Israel for such a meeting, but I believe Rabbi would approve such a gathering as long as it's not on the Sabbath.

Please, let me hear from you

Allan

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Regan E Quinn reganequinn@frontier.com wrote:

bravo

On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Paul Epstein wrote:

Good work both of you! Hope you're feeling much better, Allan.

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On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Jim Probst probstfurnituremakers@gmail.com wrote:

It's been a good couple of days for Charleston CCL with Alan's excellent op-ed on Sunday and I got one published in today's paper.

http://www.wvgazette.com/article/20140909/ARTICLE/140909344/1134

Here is a draft outline of the weekend:

* Friday night

o Wilderness50 celebration/WVEC 25th anniversary

o presentation on the Birthplace of Rivers campaign

o cake and pizza and one or two short films.

* Saturday daytime

o keynote address by Wendy Radcliff from the DEP

o Climate Change (Jim Kotcon/Jim Probst and others)

o Energy Efficiency (Emmett Pepper and others)

o Water (Chris Hale and others)

* Saturday night

o gas pipeline (Rick Webb, Dave McMahon - tentative)

* Sunday morning

o WVHC board meeting

o WVEC legislative priorities

* Sunday afternoon

o WVEC board meeting

* Cindy Ellis will host bird watching early each morning

From: ec-bounces@osenergy.org [mailto:ec-bounces@osenergy.org] On Behalf Of Yarnell, Karen Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:44 AM To: 'Vivian Stockman'; 'James Kotcon'; 'Allan Tweddle'; cclwv@googlegroups.com; Robin Blakeman; dan@ohvec.org Cc: 'Don GARVIN'; 'WVEC Email List'; 'John Barry'; 'Gary Zuckett CAG'; 'Janet Keating'; 'Sierra Club Environmental Comm.' Subject: Re: [EC] Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Here is the registration form and some information on the WVHC/WVEC conference at Cedar Lakes in Ripley October 17-19. Please register early for the best room choices and send your forms to me through email or mail.

http://www.wvecouncil.org/

An agenda will be coming soon. Please spread the word to your lists.

From: ec-bounces@osenergy.orgmailto:ec-bounces@osenergy.org [mailto:ec-bounces@osenergy.org] On Behalf Of Vivian Stockman Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:20 AM To: 'James Kotcon'; 'Allan Tweddle'; cclwv@googlegroups.commailto:cclwv@googlegroups.com; Robin Blakeman; dan@ohvec.orgmailto:dan@ohvec.org Cc: 'Don GARVIN'; 'WVEC Email List'; 'John Barry'; 'Gary Zuckett CAG'; 'Janet Keating'; 'Sierra Club Environmental Comm.' Subject: Re: [EC] Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Hi everybody. Added OVEC staff Dan Taylor and Robin Blakeman to this string. Dan and I are planning to be in Ripley Oct. 17 -19. Robin will try to make the climate topic forum at least, given advance notice of when that part of the weekend will take place.

From: James Kotcon [mailto:jkotcon@wvu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:13 PM To: Allan Tweddle; cclwv@googlegroups.commailto:cclwv@googlegroups.com Cc: Gary Zuckett CAG; WVEC Email List; Don GARVIN; Vivian Stockman; Janet Keating; Sierra Club Environmental Comm.; John Barry Subject: RE: Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Allan, et al.

We are planning a forum on this topic at the WVEC Fall Convention (Oct. 17-19 at Cedar Lakes in Ripley). This will likely be on Saturday, Oct. 18. The meeting is joint with the WV Highlands Conservancy Fall review, and legislative strategies are the primary topic. I also hope to emphasize some state agency actions, as WV-DEP will need to propose a state implementation Plan to EPA under the proposed greenhouse gas standards for power plants in the Clean Power Plan. EPA is urging states to "think beyond the fence" to include energy efficiency, renewables, and fuel switching , something that DEP may not be inclined to do. I think that will mean a significant effort to get DEP (which regulates "inside the fence" pollution controls) to work with the WV-PSC (which would oversee energy efficiency and other "outside the fence" activities).

A key step may be to amend the horrible HB 4346 which limits DEP's authority to implement greenhouse gas standards.

There may be other, more holistic approaches, but a lot of that may depend on whether the Democrats keep control of the WV House of Delegates, and whether we can defeat some of the most extreme climate deniers.

Who will be joining us?

Jim Kotcon

________________________________ From: Allan Tweddle <allantweddle@msn.commailto:allantweddle@msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:22 AM To: cclwv@googlegroups.commailto:cclwv@googlegroups.com Cc: cclwv@googlegroups.commailto:cclwv@googlegroups.com; Gary Zuckett CAG; WVEC Email List; Don GARVIN; Vivian Stockman; Janet Keating; Sierra Club Environmental Comm.; John Barry; James Kotcon Subject: Re: Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Colleagues

First, thank you Paul and Regan for your kind words. I'm better, but not 100% yet.

I believe part of my condition is caused by the air quality of the area. As an engineer who is dealt with air quality issues for 50 years, including air sampling for pollution conditions around manufacturing operations all the way through to design and clean rooms, I am very familiar with the process and the technical details of air-quality.

But I do not have the instruments or the support staff to evaluate air-quality here as I used to have and my career days in California and Ontario.

I do know however that I have often driven near the railway tracks that charge through Charleston and seen, in the proper sunlight conditions, the fine particulate dust blowing off the railcars as they passed through town. I've inquired, but that's never been analyzed, never been measured and is an unknown.

But one doesn't need sophisticated instruments to see that that dust is being dispersed all on the communities through which these trains, sometimes it very high speeds, traverse.

That brings me to a point I want to make. Air-quality is definitely a local issue. The EPA can establish national standards, and the local agencies can then implement a plan to measure against those standards. But in my opinion the evaluation of very close proximity conditions in West Virginia are never taken into account unless the public rises up and demands them.

That also applies to climate change. There is yet another article in the Charleston Gazette today describing how carbon dioxide levels in the upper atmosphere Have already passed 350 ppm last year and are approaching the 400 ppm. Scientists consider the 400 parts, if achieved on a consistent basis to be very seriously detrimental to life as we know it all over the planet including in West Virginia.

Addressing the issue and pressing for action requires a strong voice here in West Virginia. And I personally believe the economic opportunities that exist for addressing climate change are out there and need to be described to our policy makers repeatedly.

While CCL is working diligently at the national level to seek logical and incremental steps towards controlling climate change, given the political barriers, we must be doing more at the state level in my opinion.

That is why I have proposed to WVEC, CAG, OVEC, and others that we come together and join forces to mount a single voice to address climate change in West Virginia.

It is an issue that is complex and crosses all of the constituencies of the entire environmental movement in West Virginia. To be successful, the legislatures got to know that there is a large constituency, a coming together of all of the organizations, to force them to pay attention to not just the dangers of doing nothing, but of the economic opportunities that are out there for addressing climate change.

if we can come together somewhere in sometime in October, and begin to develop a comprehensive plan, then we will be ready to present our thoughts to the legislature in January.

But I must look to each of the leadership of the various organizations to talk to one another and decide where they would like to do this.

However, I need to hear from the leadership of each of the organizations. Is there interest in coming together in the manner I am suggesting? Or is there an alternative concepts?

I'd like to hear from the leadership to know if this is making sense, and if so let's plan a specific time and meet, probably here in Charleston, To begin thinking about how to plan and implement a new voice of reason for addressing climate change here in West Virginia.

I can offer a venue for such a meeting that is easy and convenient to reach. I must ask for permission from Temple Israel for such a meeting, but I believe Rabbi would approve such a gathering as long as it's not on the Sabbath.

Please, let me hear from you

Allan

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Regan E Quinn <reganequinn@frontier.commailto:reganequinn@frontier.com> wrote: bravo On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Paul Epstein wrote:

Good work both of you! Hope you're feeling much better, Allan.

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From: ec-bounces@osenergy.org [mailto:ec-bounces@osenergy.org] On Behalf Of Harriet Nelson Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:02 AM To: Vivian Stockman; 'James Kotcon'; 'Allan Tweddle'; cclwv@googlegroups.com; Robin Blakeman; dan@ohvec.org Cc: 'Don GARVIN'; 'WVEC Email List'; 'John Barry'; 'Gary Zuckett CAG'; 'Janet Keating'; 'Sierra Club Environmental Comm.' Subject: Re: [EC] Op-Ed in today's Gazette

It looks like a meeting the sierra club should attend. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vivian Stockmanmailto:vivian@ohvec.org To: 'James Kotcon'mailto:jkotcon@wvu.edu ; 'Allan Tweddle'mailto:allantweddle@msn.com ; cclwv@googlegroups.commailto:cclwv@googlegroups.com ; Robin Blakemanmailto:rbrobinjh@gmail.com ; dan@ohvec.orgmailto:dan@ohvec.org Cc: 'Don GARVIN'mailto:dsgjr@aol.com ; 'WVEC Email List'mailto:paradox@spectrumz.com ; 'John Barry'mailto:John.Barry@sierraclub.org ; 'Gary Zuckett CAG'mailto:garyz@wvcag.org ; 'Janet Keating'mailto:janet.ovec@gmail.com ; 'Sierra Club Environmental Comm.'mailto:ec@osenergy.org Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [EC] Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Hi everybody. Added OVEC staff Dan Taylor and Robin Blakeman to this string. Dan and I are planning to be in Ripley Oct. 17 -19. Robin will try to make the climate topic forum at least, given advance notice of when that part of the weekend will take place.

From: James Kotcon [mailto:jkotcon@wvu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:13 PM To: Allan Tweddle; cclwv@googlegroups.commailto:cclwv@googlegroups.com Cc: Gary Zuckett CAG; WVEC Email List; Don GARVIN; Vivian Stockman; Janet Keating; Sierra Club Environmental Comm.; John Barry Subject: RE: Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Allan, et al.

We are planning a forum on this topic at the WVEC Fall Convention (Oct. 17-19 at Cedar Lakes in Ripley). This will likely be on Saturday, Oct. 18. The meeting is joint with the WV Highlands Conservancy Fall review, and legislative strategies are the primary topic. I also hope to emphasize some state agency actions, as WV-DEP will need to propose a state implementation Plan to EPA under the proposed greenhouse gas standards for power plants in the Clean Power Plan. EPA is urging states to "think beyond the fence" to include energy efficiency, renewables, and fuel switching , something that DEP may not be inclined to do. I think that will mean a significant effort to get DEP (which regulates "inside the fence" pollution controls) to work with the WV-PSC (which would oversee energy efficiency and other "outside the fence" activities).

A key step may be to amend the horrible HB 4346 which limits DEP's authority to implement greenhouse gas standards.

There may be other, more holistic approaches, but a lot of that may depend on whether the Democrats keep control of the WV House of Delegates, and whether we can defeat some of the most extreme climate deniers.

Who will be joining us?

Jim Kotcon

________________________________ From: Allan Tweddle <allantweddle@msn.commailto:allantweddle@msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:22 AM To: cclwv@googlegroups.commailto:cclwv@googlegroups.com Cc: cclwv@googlegroups.commailto:cclwv@googlegroups.com; Gary Zuckett CAG; WVEC Email List; Don GARVIN; Vivian Stockman; Janet Keating; Sierra Club Environmental Comm.; John Barry; James Kotcon Subject: Re: Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Colleagues

First, thank you Paul and Regan for your kind words. I'm better, but not 100% yet.

I believe part of my condition is caused by the air quality of the area. As an engineer who is dealt with air quality issues for 50 years, including air sampling for pollution conditions around manufacturing operations all the way through to design and clean rooms, I am very familiar with the process and the technical details of air-quality.

But I do not have the instruments or the support staff to evaluate air-quality here as I used to have and my career days in California and Ontario.

I do know however that I have often driven near the railway tracks that charge through Charleston and seen, in the proper sunlight conditions, the fine particulate dust blowing off the railcars as they passed through town. I've inquired, but that's never been analyzed, never been measured and is an unknown.

But one doesn't need sophisticated instruments to see that that dust is being dispersed all on the communities through which these trains, sometimes it very high speeds, traverse.

That brings me to a point I want to make. Air-quality is definitely a local issue. The EPA can establish national standards, and the local agencies can then implement a plan to measure against those standards. But in my opinion the evaluation of very close proximity conditions in West Virginia are never taken into account unless the public rises up and demands them.

That also applies to climate change. There is yet another article in the Charleston Gazette today describing how carbon dioxide levels in the upper atmosphere Have already passed 350 ppm last year and are approaching the 400 ppm. Scientists consider the 400 parts, if achieved on a consistent basis to be very seriously detrimental to life as we know it all over the planet including in West Virginia.

Addressing the issue and pressing for action requires a strong voice here in West Virginia. And I personally believe the economic opportunities that exist for addressing climate change are out there and need to be described to our policy makers repeatedly.

While CCL is working diligently at the national level to seek logical and incremental steps towards controlling climate change, given the political barriers, we must be doing more at the state level in my opinion.

That is why I have proposed to WVEC, CAG, OVEC, and others that we come together and join forces to mount a single voice to address climate change in West Virginia.

It is an issue that is complex and crosses all of the constituencies of the entire environmental movement in West Virginia. To be successful, the legislatures got to know that there is a large constituency, a coming together of all of the organizations, to force them to pay attention to not just the dangers of doing nothing, but of the economic opportunities that are out there for addressing climate change.

if we can come together somewhere in sometime in October, and begin to develop a comprehensive plan, then we will be ready to present our thoughts to the legislature in January.

But I must look to each of the leadership of the various organizations to talk to one another and decide where they would like to do this.

However, I need to hear from the leadership of each of the organizations. Is there interest in coming together in the manner I am suggesting? Or is there an alternative concepts?

I'd like to hear from the leadership to know if this is making sense, and if so let's plan a specific time and meet, probably here in Charleston, To begin thinking about how to plan and implement a new voice of reason for addressing climate change here in West Virginia.

I can offer a venue for such a meeting that is easy and convenient to reach. I must ask for permission from Temple Israel for such a meeting, but I believe Rabbi would approve such a gathering as long as it's not on the Sabbath.

Please, let me hear from you

Allan

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On Sep 9, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Regan E Quinn <reganequinn@frontier.commailto:reganequinn@frontier.com> wrote: bravo On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Paul Epstein wrote:

Good work both of you! Hope you're feeling much better, Allan.

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On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Jim Probst <probstfurnituremakers@gmail.commailto:probstfurnituremakers@gmail.com> wrote: It's been a good couple of days for Charleston CCL with Alan's excellent op-ed on Sunday and I got one published in today's paper. http://www.wvgazette.com/article/20140909/ARTICLE/140909344/1134

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Allen

Dealing with the profile of fine particles is nothing new. If I can find it, I could show you research that was done at the University of either Wisconsin, Minnesota or Northwestern, (I can't recall which) 60 years ago that shows the various particle sizes, and the fines which ones can in fact penetrate the lungs and will not be expelled. This doesn't sound to me like anything new.

Tobacco smoke particles are an average of 0.25 microns for example.

In my work as an engineer, I used particle counters myself 45 years ago in certifying clean rooms.

Clean rooms, as defined by the original Air Force standard required us to measure the amount of particles in a room sampling of air at 0.3 µm levels. That USAF standard, for example, calling for a class100 clean room, meant the system must take a normal cu. meter of air at 25.0 million particles of 3 microns down to 100.

I used to have a business certifying clean rooms, having among my clients JPL.

So I would challenge any standard that stops at 25 microns. The finer particles are equally dangerous, and in many respects, much more so.

I'd be happy to get into this more deeply.

Allan

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On Sep 10, 2014, at 4:39 PM, "Allen Johnson" allen@christiansforthemountains.org wrote:

Allan, The EPA has a pollution particulate standard for 2.5 and 10 microns. However, more recent research in Europe and some in the United States is pointing to much smaller particulates, sometimes called nano-particles or ultrafines, as especially toxic when in large concentrations. These particles are so small that they rather than being expelled by the lungs, they are absorbed into the lungs and circulatory system, and can pass through the placental and brain barriers. Dr. Michael McCawley at WVU is doing a lot or research on these particles, and has a particle counter for ultrafines.

Our work with Dr. Michael Hendryx on mountaintop removal seems to be pointing to MTR-related air pollution as more hazardous than water pollution to community health.

Back to climate change, we need to push hard for policy that restricts using the atmospheric “commons” as a free sewer. That includes carbon. --Allen Johnson

From: cclwv@googlegroups.com [mailto:cclwv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allan Tweddle Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:22 AM To: cclwv@googlegroups.com Cc: cclwv@googlegroups.com; Gary Zuckett CAG; WVEC Email List; Don GARVIN; Vivian Stockman; Janet Keating; Sierra Club Environmental Comm.; John Barry; James Kotcon Subject: Re: Op-Ed in today's Gazette

Colleagues

First, thank you Paul and Regan for your kind words. I'm better, but not 100% yet.

I believe part of my condition is caused by the air quality of the area. As and engineer who is dealt with air quality issues for 50 years, including air sampling for pollution conditions around manufacturing operations all the way through to design and clean rooms, I am very familiar with the process and the technical details of air-quality.

But I do not have the instruments or the support staff to evaluate air-quality here as I used to have and my career days in California and Ontario.

I do know however that I have often driven near the railway tracks that charge through Charleston and seen, in the proper sunlight conditions, the fine particulate dust blowing off the railcars as they passed through town. I've inquired, but that's never been analyzed, never been measured and is an unknown.

But one doesn't need sophisticated instruments to see that that dust is being dispersed all on the communities through which these trains, sometimes it very high speeds, traverse.

That brings me to a point I want to make. Air-quality is definitely a local issue. The EPA can establish national standards, and the local agencies can then implement a plan to measure against those standards. But in my opinion the evaluation of very close proximity conditions in West Virginia are never taken into account unless the public rises up and demands them.

That also applies to climate change. There is yet another article in the Charleston Gazette today describing how carbon dioxide levels in the upper atmosphere Have already passed 350 ppm last year and are approaching the 400 ppm. Scientists consider the 400 parts, if achieved on a consistent basis to be very seriously detrimental to life as we know it all over the planet including in West Virginia.

Addressing the issue and pressing for action requires a strong voice here in West Virginia. And I personally believe the economic opportunities that exist for addressing climate change are out there and need to be described to our policy makers repeatedly.

While CCL is working diligently at the national level to seek logical and incremental steps towards controlling climate change, given the political barriers, we must be doing more at the state level in my opinion.

That is why I have proposed to WVEC, CAG, OVEC, and others that we come together and join forces to mount a single voice to address climate change in West Virginia.

It is an issue that is complex and crosses all of the constituencies of the entire environmental movement in West Virginia. To be successful, the legislatures got to know that there is a large constituency, a coming together of all of the organizations, to force them to pay attention to not just the dangers of doing nothing, but of the economic opportunities that are out there for addressing climate change.

if we can come together somewhere in sometime in October, and begin to develop a comprehensive plan, then we will be ready to present our thoughts to the legislature in January.

But I must look to each of the leadership of the various organizations to talk to one another and decide where they would like to do this.

However, I need to hear from the leadership of each of the organizations. Is there interest in coming together in the manner I am suggesting? Or is there an alternative concepts?

I'd like to hear from the leadership to know if this is making sense, and if so let's plan a specific time and meet, probably here in Charleston, To begin thinking about how to plan and implement a new voice of reason for addressing climate change here in West Virginia.

I can offer a venue for such a meeting that is easy and convenient to reach. I must ask for permission from Temple Israel for such a meeting, but I believe Rabbi would approve such a gathering as long as it's not on the Sabbath.

Please, let me hear from you

Allan

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Regan E Quinn reganequinn@frontier.com wrote:

bravo On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Paul Epstein wrote:

Good work both of you! Hope you're feeling much better, Allan.

www.awarewv.org Paul Epstein 304.343.5074 www.paulepstein.net

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Jim Probst probstfurnituremakers@gmail.com wrote: It's been a good couple of days for Charleston CCL with Alan's excellent op-ed on Sunday and I got one published in today's paper. http://www.wvgazette.com/article/20140909/ARTICLE/140909344/1134

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