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Re: [EC] 'Energy Storage' Rules in California To Help Meet GHG-Reduction Goals
by James Kotcon 31 Jul '10

31 Jul '10

A very good read, and something to think about in West Virginia. If we are serious about developing renewables in a big way, we need to start planning for energy storage too. JBK >>> Edward Mainland <emainland(a)COMCAST.NET> 7/31/2010 12:43 AM >>> Here is the actual study referred to below, which can help everyone better understand the various facets of renewables' "intermittency". - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe from the CONS-SPST-GLOBALWARM-CHAIRS list, send any message to: CONS-SPST-GLOBALWARM-CHAIRS-signoff-request(a)LISTS.SIERRACLUB.ORG Check out our Listserv Lists support site for more information: http://www.sierraclub.org/lists/faq.asp Sign up to receive Sierra Club Insider, the flagship e-newsletter. Sent out twice a month, it features the Club's latest news and activities. Subscribe and view recent editions at http://www.sierraclub.org/insider/

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Fwd: Numbers Documenting EVs' Advantage Over Gasoline Cars No Matter Where
by James Kotcon 31 Jul '10

31 Jul '10

FYI, Good analysis. JBK >>> Edward Mainland <emainland(a)COMCAST.NET> 7/30/2010 11:19 PM >>> Grid sets electric cars' green standard David R. Baker, San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer Monday, July 19, 2010 When you drive an electric car in California, you're not just driving on electricity - you're driving on natural gas, nuclear power, hydropower and coal. Drive an electric car in, say, Georgia, and it's mostly coal and nuclear. Public fascination with electric cars is growing, as people and politicians look for ways to fight global warming and wean America off oil. Palo Alto's Tesla Motors has developed a cult following for its pricey electric sports cars, and Nissan by year's end will start selling a less-expensive, all-electric sedan dubbed the Leaf. The buzz tends to obscure a basic fact - electric cars are only as green as the power grid that supplies their juice. They don't burn fossil fuels or spew greenhouse gases into the air. But most of the power plants that generate their electricity do. Many energy analysts, however, love them anyway. Even when power plant emissions are included, electric cars still pump far less carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than do their gasoline-burning brethren, analysts say. "In California, you plug into the grid with an electric vehicle, and you're going to see a two-thirds reduction in your global warming pollution," said Roland Hwang, transportation program director for the Natural Resources Defense Council. "It's a big benefit." Note that he mentioned California. The amount of greenhouse gas emissions saved by electric cars varies widely from state to state. California's grid is relatively carbon-free, drawing 14.4 percent of its electricity in 2008 from nuclear plants, 11 percent from large hydroelectric dams and 10.6 percent from renewable sources such as geothermal plants and wind farms, according to the California Energy Commission. More than 45 percent of the state's electricity comes from burning natural gas, which produces less carbon dioxide than coal. Many states in the Midwest or Southeast, however, rely heavily on coal. There, electric cars will still produce fewer emissions than gasoline vehicles, but the difference won't be as great. "A Tesla in Georgia would give you about the same greenhouse gas emissions as a good Prius," Hwang said, referring to Toyota's popular hybrid car. "You're not going backward, but you're only doing as well as a Prius." Different figures Figuring out the greenhouse gas emissions associated with different kinds of cars and fuels has become something of a cottage industry, with many researchers coming up with their own estimates. Those estimates have taken on greater importance as state and federal officials wrestle with energy policy and climate change. Researchers use an approach called "well to wheels," in which they study the greenhouse gas emissions generated by making fuel and delivering it to customers as well as burning it in a car. A well-to-wheels study of gasoline, for example, looks at the emissions produced by pumping crude oil from the ground, shipping it to refineries, processing it into gasoline, delivering the gas to stations and burning it while driving. The Natural Resources Defense Council, using data from the U.S. Department of Energy and the California Air Resources Board, estimates that a typical gas-powered car produces 465 grams of carbon dioxide per mile. Electric cars feeding off of California's power grid produce 142 grams per mile. Electric cars plugged into the grid elsewhere in the country - drawing power from the nation's average mix of natural gas, coal and nuclear plants - produce 214 grams of carbon dioxide per mile. A study for the California Energy Commission, which estimated greenhouse gas emissions from cars two years from now, yielded comparable results. Cars burning gasoline will produce 473 grams of carbon dioxide per mile, the study found, while electric cars in California will produce 123 grams. Energy analysts say the benefits of electric cars will increase as the use of renewable power grows. It's far easier to "de-carbonize" the electricity grid than it is to cut the greenhouse gas emissions from millions of fuel-burning cars. 'Cleaner over time' "Even if the grid is dirty now, we expect it to get cleaner over time," said Patricia Monahan, deputy director of the clean vehicles program at the Union of Concerned Scientists. "In the long run, by 2030, we really need to be on a path to electrification if we want deep greenhouse gas reductions." Electric car owners tend to know exactly where their power comes from. Some even take steps to make that power greener. Steve Casner of Sunnyvale stuck solar panels on his house. The software engineer owns both a Tesla and an electric Rav4, which Toyota sold from 1997 to 2003. (The Japanese automaker announced Friday that it would develop a new electric Rav4 with Tesla's help, with the vehicles hitting the market in 2012.) "Some people would say to me that I was just diverting my pollution elsewhere, so I said, 'I can solve that problem,' " Casner said. "I can't make gasoline at my house, but I can make electricity." Casner charges his cars at night, so they don't draw their electricity directly from the solar panels. But he usually generates more electricity in the afternoon than he can use, selling the excess back to the grid. He figures it all evens out. "We treat the grid as a big battery," he said. E-mail David R. Baker at dbaker(a)sfchronicle.com. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/19/BU0M1EF33T.DTL This article appeared on page D - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe from the CONS-SPST-GLOBALWARM-CHAIRS list, send any message to: CONS-SPST-GLOBALWARM-CHAIRS-signoff-request(a)LISTS.SIERRACLUB.ORG Check out our Listserv Lists support site for more information: http://www.sierraclub.org/lists/faq.asp Sign up to receive Sierra Club Insider, the flagship e-newsletter. Sent out twice a month, it features the Club's latest news and activities. Subscribe and view recent editions at http://www.sierraclub.org/insider/

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Fwd: from the Center for Media and Democracy: Fight Over Fracking
by Paul Wilson 30 Jul '10

30 Jul '10

The Weekly Spin, *July 28, 2010* CMD ReportsFight Over Fracking<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=OutUuUjbSQpcfvZKGeEO…> by Anne Landman The state of New York has some of the cleanest drinking water in the country, but natural gas drilling is threatening water resources there. At issue is whether drilling companies know enough about how to protect groundwater sources from contamination by a drilling procedure called " fracking<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=gnTHN13PbrETjWSsLvNG…>," the term used for the hydraulic fracturing of rock formations to make them produce more gas. Citizens also doubt whether existing rules and regulations can assure drilling companies will do enough to protect water sources, and whether there are enough qualified staff people to enforce current and future drilling regulations. In the Gulf of Mexico, drilling technology outpaced the industry's knowledge of how to cap an out-of-control well and clean up an environmental disaster caused by drilling activities. Similar problems exist with the natural gas drilling. Increasingly, land owners report that exposure to fracking chemicals has made them sick and that fracking contaminated streams and drinking water wells on their property, rendering them unusable. Gas companies fight having to reveal the secret cocktail of chemicals that make up their proprietary "fracking fluids," and fracking was exempted from the national Safe Drinking Water Act during the George W. Bush<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=SbolKFoR0jmLDLn1jVRI…>Administration, so there is little help for citizens trying to stop drilling companies from using the procedure. A Web site called "Clean Water Not Dirty Drilling"<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=SKITnPswqeZwJWxPn%2F…>is urging people to contact the New York State Senate to ask for a "time out" on drilling until more is known about how to make the activity safer. Go here<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=%2FPLkPlx08QXjNj706y…>to watch the video. Read the rest of this item<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=rMfl6bToBWVvalO%2BW%…> -- Paul Wilson Sierra Club 504 Jefferson Ave Charles Town, WV 25414-1130 Phone: 304-725-4360 Cell: 304-279-1361 "There is no forward until you have gone back" ~Buddha "In all things of nature there is something of the marvelous" ~ Aristotle

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Marcellus drilling Industrial Landfill Planned for Bruceton Mills Area
by Frank Young 27 Jul '10

27 Jul '10

----- Original Message ----- From: CCWALBRIDGE(a)cs.com To: gmcorio(a)mail.wvu.edu ; suetaft(a)ncweb.com ; honeymow(a)aol.com ; backlundpaddles(a)juno.com ; vsmith(a)ap.org ; steepcreeks(a)yahoo.com ; chrisrkirkman(a)yahoo.com ; JMac221(a)aol.com ; chevymanmp(a)adelphia.net ; ikayak4fun(a)hotmail.com ; Chrizee(a)msn.com ; warlickone(a)hotmail.com ; jblack(a)mail.nesc.wvu.edu ; bob_spangler_jr(a)yahoo.com ; emtem(a)mountain.net ; info(a)karstsports.com ; Tom_Chapman(a)FWS.gov ; bobgedek(a)icubed.com ; frankly(a)mtparty.org ; ehughes(a)wvpubcast.org ; bill.blauvelt(a)verizon.net ; SStough(a)gcnetmail.com ; KKehoe(a)dnr.state.md.us ; mtnlionwv(a)direcway.com ; jhamill(a)dejazzd.com ; dbrown(a)americaoutdoors.org ; jblaney(a)quixnet.net ; chuckstump(a)juno.com ; riverrat55(a)hotmail.com ; Grady.Fred(a)NMNH.SI.EDU ; adam(a)hazmatlaw.com ; moxiemeister(a)hotmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:09 AM Subject: Industrial Landfill Planned for Bruceton Mills Area I recently learned that that a developer is proposing to build and operate a 150 acre industrial landfill about 1 mile south of Bruceton Mills, in the Little Sandy and Big Sandy watersheds. The proposed facility would serve as a disposal site for residual brine from natural gas drilling operations. Residual brine is a term for a by-product of Marcellus shale drilling, specifically a process called hydro fracturing or fracing. Water recovered from the fracing process contains a variety of proprietary compounds in addition to high levels of salt. The used fracking material is processed and dried. This concentrated, dried material must be disposed of, and project will concentrate drilling waste from a large area. The fracking process is not regulated by the state and federal government so no one knows what chemicals it contains. The WV Department of Environmental Protection has been informed about this project but has yet to receive their Class F industrial landfill permit application. This projects could have serious effects on the community. Local residents, farm animals, and game species all depend on surface and ground water and many fracking chemicals have very harmful effects. The river is also a popular recreational resource, with thousands of people kayaking, swimming, and hiking beside its waters each year. The Little Sandy was recently reclaimed, after a multi-million dollar investment, from the effects of acid mine drainage caused by many years of coal mining, For the first time in many years the river supports brook trout. This, too, is at risk. Marcellus Shale gas is important to the area and to the country. We all need energy for all facets of life. Like many of my neighbors, I leased my land for gas exploration and have friends who work in the gas business. I'd like this work to be successful, but have trouble sifting between environmental hype and industry spin. Events in the Gulf show that we can't trust industry to do the right thing. Any advice, contacts, or thoughts are welcome. Sincerely, Charlie Walbridge 1886 Little Sandy Road; Bruceton Mills, WV 26525 304-379-9002; ccwalbridge(a)cs.com

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General Mills installs solar power system at Mass. site
by Frank Young 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

Blank July 26 -- A new solar power installation at a General Mills warehouse in Methuen, Mass., is expected to supply nearly 80% of the site´s summertime power needs, and 40% during the rest of the year. http://www.wasterecyclingnews.com/email.html?id=1280149271

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NYTimes.com: E.P.A. Considers Risks of Gas Extraction
by william.depaulo＠gmail.com 24 Jul '10

24 Jul '10

This page was sent to you by: william.depaulo(a)gmail.com. BUSINESS | July 24, 2010 E.P.A. Considers Risks of Gas Extraction By TOM ZELLER Jr. Pennsylvania residents point to fouled wells, deformed livestock and poisoned fish near natural gas wells that blast underground rock with water and chemicals. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/24/business/energy-environment/24gas.html?em… ---------------------------------------------------------- ABOUT THIS E-MAIL This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help(a)nytimes.com. NYTimes.com 620 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10018 Copyright 2010 The New York Times Company

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Fwd: [WVaPATH] EIS
by James Kotcon 20 Jul '10

20 Jul '10

Not sure how many of you are on this list-serve, but here is what was happening at Harper's Ferry last night. JBK >>> Keryn Newman <keryn(a)frontiernet.net> 7/19/2010 11:11 PM >>> The notebook of statements was a big hit with the Park & Forest Services! Overall, it was a very successful meeting (if we can judge by the amount of obsessive cell-phone and blackberry use by the Allegheny & AEP guys). The park service displays were very well done and impartial -- Morgan held true to her word on that. These guys are really on our side here (if they could be on anyone's side). One of the rangers even bought one of our t-shirts ;-) They were somewhat adamant that they could not expand the scope of the EIS to cover the entire project. One guy told me that FERC and NERC would have to order them to expand it. We persisted in trying to make our case anyhow! One thing that we didn't cover that one of the rangers/park service personnel mentioned -- EMF effects on animals (farm or otherwise) -- and aren't we all animals too? You all might want to create another topic using Martin Blank's Va. Testimony for the Tucker County meeting. They allowed public speaking during the last hour of the meeting. Morgan said she wasn't sure if they would continue the practice tomorrow night in Purcellville, but you all may want to prepare something and make the request at the beginning of the meeting. Speakers are limited to 6 minutes, but Patience ran over and refused to shut up and sit down until she was done with the book presentation speech. A member of the Sierra Club gave a great little speech that seemed to resonate with the federal personnel. One of our County Commissioners spoke, and another member of our executive committee spoke for a few minutes as well. Ron Poff's little friend was either recording the speeches or broadcasting them on his cellphone to someone/someplace else, not sure which, but it was one or the other. They were/are VERY interested in what we're doing... poor fellas seem a little worried :-( We had attendance of well over 100 people coming and going throughout the evening. Very impressive turnout! PATH did not have a table, but there were probably 8 - 10 of them circulating and they were easy to pick out, especially since we know a couple of them by name. The ones I can name off hand were Ron Poff and Randy Palmer. They really didn't want to talk to us much and weren't trying to be very sneaky since they knew we knew who they were. If anything, they lost at being sneaky, since I eavesdropped on one of them who thought he was alone and was having a loud cellphone conversation about Capito. The hotel was very nice and allowed us to first set up our own little table out front, and then asked us to move, but it was to the downstairs lobby right outside the meeting room. The only one who didn't act like we had cooties was Randy Palmer. He made some snide remark about not liking Patience's StopPATH WV t-shirt, so I bought him one of the ones that Steve picked up in Tucker County last year. Not sure which one of you designed these shirts, but here's a photo of Patience presenting Randy with his shirt. He says he "collects this stuff" and also asked for one of our StopPATH logo hand fans. I was going to give him a glow-in-the-dark EMF bracelet, but I'm not sure if he ever got it. Must make sure his PATH collection is complete, because this is the fight they're going to lose! If anyone has any specific questions that I didn't address, just let me know. (or if someone else on this listserv who was there wants to post their own reflection on the evening -- go for it!) Tomorrow Steve and I are going over to Purcellville where we can pay more attention to what the power company guys are doing and less time being serious. We also plan to attend Wednesday in Frederick.

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Fwd: Solar Power now Cheaper than New Nuclear in NC
by James Kotcon 17 Jul '10

17 Jul '10

You may find this report as fascinating as I did. The author is former Chancellor of Duke University and an economist with 30 years experience in estimating energy costs. His report shows that the cost of solar electricity in North Carolina is now cheaper than nuclear, that nuclear costs are projected to continue to climb while solar costs will keep coming down. The data clearly show this historic crossover occurs in 2010, this year. Furthermore, given the 6-10 years needed to construct a plant, the cost imbalance will be even greater by the time a new nuclear plant is built. The report is available at: http://www.ncwarn.org/?p=2290 Use this the next time someone tries to argue that we need nukes as a solution to global warming. Jim Kotcon >>> Hugh Mitchell goshawk(a)FRONTIERNET.NET> 7/16/2010 9:17 PM >> ( mailto:goshawk@FRONTIERNET.NET> ) Abstract from New York Times article, Sunday, 7/11/10 “A New Analysis Triples Plutonium Waste Figures” “The amount of plutonium buried at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in Washington State is nearly Three times what the federal government previously reported, a new analysis indicates, suggesting that a cleanup To protect future generations will be far more challenging that planners had assumed.” “The fear is that in a few hundred years [plutonium is radioactive for 24,000 years half-life] plutonium could Reach an underground area called the saturation zone, where water flows, and from there enter the Columbia River.” “So far, the cleanup, which began in the 1990’s, has involved moving some contaminated material near the banks of the Columbia to drier locations. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/11/science/earth/11plutonium.html?src=mv Hugh Mitchell Atlantic Chapter, Rochester

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Fwd: RE: Alternative and Renewable Energy Portfolio
by James Kotcon 16 Jul '10

16 Jul '10

It was recently brought to my attention that the PSC finalized some rule changes to the Net Metering rules as mandated by last year's Alternative and Renewable Energy Portfolio bill. While the changes create some concerns for our net-metering program (adding the various fossil fuels sources as eligible for net metering), the program is still limited to small residential generators, and is not that different from certain distributed generation programs in a few other states. Of greater concern is that the bill mandated PSC rule-making to implement the Alternative and Renewable Energy standards. We had long been concerned that the bill, by including natural gas plants and certain coal plants in the definition of "Alternative", did not provide a real incentive for renewables. Earlier this year, I re-read the bill and saw that it included "SuperCritical" boiler technology as one of the sources eligible for "Alternative" energy credits. Not being an engineer, it has only slowly dawned on me that some of West Virginia's larger power plants have "supercriticial" boilers, but it was not until Byron Harris's e-mail below that I realized how many. When legislators were voting for this bill, how many of them realized that, under the language of the bill, the John Amos and Fort Martin plants qualify as "Alternative" energy sources? Under this bill, the utilities in 2009 were already meeting the standard required by 2025. Note: The bill requires that by 2025, utilities hold "credits" equal to 25 % of the electricity sold to retail customers in the state. As originally passed in 2009, the bill only included "ultra-supercritical technology", but due to technical errors, the bill was not signed. I believe that only the Longview plant would have qualified as "ultrasupercritical" as AEP's ultra plants are in other states, and Allegheny does not have any. When it was re-introduced in the Special session of May, 2009, the words "supercritical technology" were added to the definition of "Advanced coal technology", which is what let in Amos, Fort Martin, et al. I have not done the math, but a ball park estimate is that 2/3 of the electricity generated in WV is sold out of state. So 25 % of the 1/3 sold in-state would have to come from these "Alternative" generation facilities. Since no other state will award credits for supercritical boilers, the only place that AEP or Allegheny would have to use credits from Fort Martin, John Amos, Mountaineer, or Harrison are in WV. Thus they can still sell all their renewable, hydro, or truly "alternative" energy to out-of state customers to meet the portfolio standards in those states, and not have to do a thing for West Virginia's law. Would it be appropriate to start labeling this bill as "Manchin's fraudulent Renewable Energy bill". How did the words "Supercritical technology" get added to the bill when it was introduced in the special session? Did Governor Manchin know he was lying to us when he told us in January that it would be the most aggressive such standard in the nation, or was he also fooled, or was it a deliberate change that only came up between April and May? JBK >>> "Harris, Byron" <BHarris(a)cad.state.wv.us> 7/9/2010 3:33 PM >>> Jim, You are correct that West Virginia's largest plants use supercritical boilers. As for the Allegheny companies, Mon Power the 2 units at Ft. Martin (576 Mw each) are subercritical units. Aslo, Mon Power owns a 20% share of the 3 units at Harrison (684 Mw each - MP share = 420Mw). Potomac Edison does not own any generationf. As for AEP, Appalachian Power the 3 units at John Amos and the single unit at Mountaineer are supercritical. Apco owns 100% of Mountaineer and Amos units 1 & 2 (816 Mw each). Apco also owns 1/3 of unit 3 (1300Mw). Wheeling Power doesn't own any generation. Several power plants in WV are owned by out of state utilities and aren't subject to the statute. For example, Mt. Storm is owned by Dominion Virginia Power and Kammer is owned by Ohio Power. You can view/download all of the filings in G.O. 184.25 from the Commission's website. Here is the link: http://www.psc.state.wv.us/ Click on Case Information, then Search By Activity, in the Case Number dialog box enter 184.25 Byron Harris, Director Consumer Advocate Division 723 Kanawha Blvd., Room 700 Charleston, WV 253-1 Ph. 304.558.0526 Email bharris(a)cad.state.wv.us From: James Kotcon [mailto:jkotcon@wvu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:37 PM To: Stollings, Jennifer Subject: Alternative and Renewable Energy Portfolio I was just recently made aware of the PSC's G.O. 184.25 regrading the Alternative and Renewable Energy Portfolio Standards adopted as HB. 104 in 2009 and an contacting you after having reviewed your comment letter of Oct. 1, 2009, as posted on the PSC web page. I am very concerned that the definitions of "Alternative" energy are so broad as to make the Act meaningless. For example, the use of "supercritical technology" for coal-fired boilers is considered as an "alternative" energy source that could be used to meet a utility's required emissions credits. It is my understanding that several of West Virginia's largest power plants use supercritical boilers, including the John Amos power plant. If that is the case, would not that one plant be sufficient to meet all of the requirements for credits in the state for the foreseeable future? As such, the bill would providfe no incentive for carbon capture and sequestration, recycled energy sources, renewable energy courses, or energy efficiency programs. I question whether the Legislature, in voting to adopt HB 104, really understood or intended that John Amos be considered an "Alternative" energy source, as I believe the intent was to promote adoption of "alternative and renewable" energy sources as those terms are more commonly understood. Would you be able to confirm whether my understanding of the definition of "supercritical technology" is correct and that plants such as John Amos would be eligible to generate such alternative energy credits? Can you identify which of AEP's and Allegheny's current plants use "advanced coal technology" as defined in HB 104? Please keep me informed as this proceeding continues. Thank you. James Kotcon, Chair Energy Committee West Virginia Sierra Club 304-293-8822 (office) 304-594-3322 (home)

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Fw: video of gov manchin telling inspectors to not issue fines/coalcountry
by Jim Sconyers 16 Jul '10

16 Jul '10

FYI Jim Sconyers jim_scon(a)yahoo.com 304.698.9628 Remember: Mother Nature bats last. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "MLEvansESP(a)aol.com" <MLEvansESP(a)aol.com> To: jim_scon(a)yahoo.com Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 4:12:45 PM Subject: Re: video of gov manchin telling inspectors to not issue fines/coalcountry Jim PLEASE send this out to your list. It is so outrageous maybe someone will pick up the story. ML www.coalcountrythemovie.com Mari-Lynn Evans Evening Star Productions 630 Delaware Avenue, Akron OH 44303 330-867-7443 330-867-7468 fax 330-289-4513 cell ________________________________ From: jim_scon(a)yahoo.com >To: MLEvansESP(a)aol.com >Sent: 7/15/2010 4:08:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time >Subj: Re: Fwd: video of gov manchin telling inspectors to not issue >fines/coalcountry > > Geezus! > > Jim Sconyers >jim_scon(a)yahoo.com >304.698.9628 > >Remember: Mother Nature bats last. > > > > > ________________________________ From: "MLEvansESP(a)aol.com" <MLEvansESP(a)aol.com> >To: webb.bo(a)gmail.com; vernoncrmw(a)gmail.com; vivian(a)ohvec.org; >janet.ovec(a)gmail.com; kward(a)wvgazette.com; judy(a)crmw.net; >dana(a)theallianceforappalachia.org; anromu(a)gmail.com; rich(a)cr23media.com; >andy(a)heartwood.org >Cc: gdanielpacker(a)yahoo.com; wvhollowgirl(a)gmail.com; jmartin(a)sbcglobal.net; >jim_scon(a)yahoo.com; bill.price(a)sierraclub.org; shirley26505(a)yahoo.com; >mozark(a)hughes.net; gypsywagons(a)yahoo.com >Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 4:02:30 PM >Subject: Fwd: video of gov manchin telling inspectors to not issue >fines/coalcountry > >Friends > >I think, at this time, it is especially important to listen to Gov Manchin's >own words about how he treated violations at coal companies. This is the >video and the transcript. Please feel free to send this out to your lists and >to media. MLE > >> >>>http://blip.tv/file/3472953 >>> >>>TIME CODE 6:48 >Gov. Manchin speaking at the WV Coal Symposium, 2008 >"Hey John, you've got a problem here, now before I write you up with a >violation, here's what I think you ought to do to fix it. Let's get >together, get our people together. I'll come back in a week or a month or >whatever the rotation time would be. Then if you've made those changes, >tried to make the changes, we're working in the right direction. Rather than >going out with a ball bat and a cease and desist order and fines, I'd rather >you spend the money to fix what's wrong, try to make it safer, than give the >money to government. I guarantee you we won't fix it." > >TIME CODE 20:30 >Gov. Manchin speaking with Chuck Nelson and Lorelei Scarbo, 10.09 >"It's tough to find balance in an extraction state" > > >www.coalcountrythemovie.com > >Mari-Lynn Evans >Evening Star Productions >630 Delaware Ave. >Akron, Ohio 44303 >330-867-7443 phone >330-867-7468 fax >330-289-4514 cell >mlevansesp(a)aol.com > > >PRAY FOR THE PERISHED AND FIGHT LIKE HELL FOR THE LIVING -MOTHER JONES > >

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