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[Fwd: Fw: [fom] WVU studies ex-mine sites as biofuel farms; Research in early stages to find if abandoned, reclaimed land can be used]
by Regina Hendrix 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

More on the switchgrass subject. Regina

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Re: [EC] [fom] WVU studies ex-mine sites as biofuel farms; Research in early stages to find if abandoned, reclaimed land can be used
by Michael Price 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

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[Fwd: Re: [fom] WVU studies ex-mine sites as biofuel farms; Research in early stages to find if abandoned, reclaimed land can be used]
by Regina Hendrix 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

Thought you'd be interested in this info on post mining land use. Regina

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[Fwd: Re: [fom] WVU studies ex-mine sites as biofuel farms; Research in early stages to find if abandoned, reclaimed land can be used]
by Regina Hendrix 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

Thought you'd be interested to hear Maria's view. As far as I know, Maria's community and her land have been more affected by MTR than any place I've been, with one exception and that is Kayford. Regina

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[Fwd: [fom] WVU studies ex-mine sites as biofuel farms; Research in early stages to find if abandoned, reclaimed land can be used]
by Regina Hendrix 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

I don't hold out much hope for this. To me it seems to be just another desperate attempt to excuse the destruction of our state. I'd like to hear what JimK thinks. Regina

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Re: [EC] [Fwd: [fom] WVU studies ex-mine sites as biofuel farms; Research in early stages to find if abandoned, reclaimed land canbe used]
by James Kotcon 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

I am only marginally familiar with this project, but know the researchers (Jeff Skousen and Travis Keene) well. The project is a viable research project, although the funding was specifically earmarked from the Governor's Office rather than a competitive proposal. Developing productive uses for mine lands is a needed endeavor, regardless of whether or not additional mining occurs. The major problem I foresee is a simple agricultural one, is the soil ferile enough to genrate reasonable yields? If not, can it be fertilized, limed, and otherwise improved at a low enough cost to generate cost-effective energy crops. The use of sewage sludge and pulp mill waste as ways to add organic matter are obvious and cost-effective approaches, provided these are not contaminated by indstrial wastes and toxins themselves. I do not hold out much hope on unreclaimed sites or poorly relaimed sites because these have a lot of some big hard things called "rocks". Harvesting switchgrass is literally "baling hay" and can only occur on sites without big rocks that bust up your hay mower or hay baler. But if suitable sites are used, production of biofuels is essntially a way of harvesting solar energy, and I am for it. Any mineland that can be reclaimed into productive farml and has to be a good thing, because if you an get crops to grow, trees and other wild things will grow back as well. The really bad sites are those where the soil is so poor or acidic that not even weeds will grow. JBK >>> Regina Hendrix <regina1936(a)verizon.net> 11/29/08 8:50 AM >>> I don't hold out much hope for this. To me it seems to be just another desperate attempt to excuse the destruction of our state. I'd like to hear what JimK thinks. Regina

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Re: [EC] [fom] WVU studies ex-mine sites as biofuel farms; Research in early stages to find if abandoned, reclaimed land can be used
by Regina Hendrix 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

Maria, very good rant and from someone who knows firsthand. I'm putting this on the SC Energy Committee list serve. There are some good points in your rant that we should all be aware of. Regina Maria Gunnoe wrote: > Wow now we get switch grass on the river banks. > > Everything they experiment with on these mine sites end up growing > along the creeks....... > > I know because we never had Chinese knot weed until they started > wrecklaiming. Now its taking over. > What makes anyone think they can get anything including GRASS to grow > long enough to "farm" on subsiding land. This land is simply ALWAYS > moving into the valley streams and settling and it will be for 1000's > of years to come. > BTW this is not LAND. Its a friggan pile of rocks with dirt and lots > of silica dust scattered . The co's have deposited everything they > needed to dispose of in this pile of rocks. They have got everyone > convinced that this is LAND. Its nots its former land turned upside > down, drizzeled with deisel fuel, gasoline old motor oil, old > hydraulic fluid, old tires, rotting half burnt trees, rusting peices > of equipment, in some cases our former cemeteries, and its > all covered up by a nice blanket of green so we have let them convince > us that we have something here. IT's waters and soil are toxic. This > is not land. Its a toxic waste dump. call it what it is! > > Yes we need them to fix this as best as possible but I still say they > need to put native trees and plants on these sites and solar farms. > Switch grass could be doable but do we really want this growing > along our streams too? _This is what will happen!!! _ > > Pond Fork is getting choaked out by Chinese Knot weed and Autum > Olive. These are not native and they are invasive. > > Its just my thoughts but I think we need to refer to this for what it is. > Wrecklaimed mine sites are dead. Never in a 100 lifetimes will we see > what was once there. (productive soil clean water and quality land.) > Its kind of the same concept as "clean coal" they are thinking lets > see if we can do this...... > Meantime all their mad experiments end up in the valley's streams. I > would like to see them get the native plant life _in the streams_ > growing again. This would impress me. > My point is they will never reclaim dead land. I know they have to > try but they need to keep their invasive experiments on their property > and stop smouthering my REAL land with it. Because it doesn't take > hold on the pile of rocks in the valley behind me. It simply washes > down the stream to my place and takes hold where there is actually > more stable land to grow on. > > The entire concept of reclaimed land is as a big lie as clean coal. > > If they stop doing it then they don't have to worry about how they are > going to get anything to grow there. I think they are destorying > farmed lands with MTR. I know my family before me growed corn on the > mtn tops because it grew much bigger. They called them mountain feilds. > Just my rant... > > > > > Maria Gunnoe > OVEC Community Outreach and Issue Organizer > "Stand Beside or Step Aside" > www.ohvec.org <http://www.ohvec.org> > www.ilovemountains.org <http://www.ilovemountains.org> > www.southwings.org <http://www.southwings.org> > www.patchworkfilms.com <http://www.patchworkfilms.com> > www.ran.org <http://www.ran.org> > www.burningthefuture.com <http://www.burningthefuture.com> > > HELP THE KIDS HAVE A SAFE SCHOOL IN SUNDIAL, WV @ > www.penniesofpromise.org <http://www.penniesofpromise.org> > > DO SOMETHING NOW TO STOP THE MADNESS OF MTR!! WRITE YOUR REP'S ASK > THEM TO CO-SPONSER THE CLEAN WATER PROTECTION ACT HR 2169. WE ARE AS > CLOSE AS WE HAVE EVER BEEN TO STOPPING MTR AND WE NEED YOUR HELP! > CHECK TO SEE IF YOUR REP HAS SIGNED ON AS A CO SPONSER @ > www.thomas.gov <http://www.thomas.gov> # HR 2169 > WRITE LETTERS TO THE EDITOR OF YOUR LOCAL PAPER! > CONSERVE ENERGY! > VOTE! > GET SIGNED UP FOR OVEC ACTION ALERTS AND BECOME AN OVEC MEMEBER @ > www.ohvec.org <http://www.ohvec.org> > > > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 5:37 AM, Vivian Stockman <vivian(a)ohvec.org > <mailto:vivian@ohvec.org>> wrote: > > November 29, 2008 > WVU studies ex-mine sites as biofuel farms > Research in early stages to find if abandoned, reclaimed land can > be used > http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200811280586 > > > By The Associated Press > > > MORGANTOWN, W.Va. -- For now, they amount to little more than > snow-dusted > stubble on 30 otherwise barren acres, but in Jeff Skousen's mind, the > switchgrass seeds planted on three former strip mines will someday > be 3- to > 10-foot-tall fields, swaying in the breeze and ready to be turned > into fuel. > > If all the pieces fall into place - a big 'if,' he admits - the > vision will > be repeated on thousands of acres across West Virginia, with > abandoned and > reclaimed coal mine sites finding new life as farmland. > > Switchgrass and its energy-producing potential are hot topics among > researchers nationwide. At Oklahoma State University, for example, the > federal government is investing $20 million in research on how best to > convert it and other grasses into biofuel. > > Skousen, a soil science professor at West Virginia University, has > a more > narrow focus: Can the slow-starting switchgrass take hold on mine > sites that > often are stripped of topsoil, eroded and acidic, or loaded with > rocks? > > "We have thousands or tens of thousands of acres that are just sitting > there,'' he says. "In general, the principles are sound. It's just > a matter > of whether we can make it happen. Will the coal companies adopt > it, and will > we be able to find the people to harvest it and make it their > livelihood?'' > > Switchgrass fields could even create jobs for residents who could help > compact the plant material, turn it into pellets or build refineries. > > That's getting ahead of himself, though, he says: "We first have to > demonstrate we can do it.'' > > Using a $40,000 grant from the governor's office, WVU and the state > Department of Environmental Protection targeted three reclaimed, > 10-acre > sites for planting in May: the former Magnum Coal Co. Hobet 21 > mine near > Madison in Boone County; a former Coal-Mac Inc. mine near Holden > in Logan > County; and a former mine site now owned by the Upper Potomac River > Commission near Piedmont in Mineral County. > > Surface mines can range from 1,000 to 12,000 acres and often have > roads, > water, utilities and even possible sites for ethanol processing, > says the > DEP's Ken Ellison, director of the Division of Land Restoration. > > To know if they're feasible farmlands, though, the state needs > research. > > WVU's Water Research Institute will manage the project. Skousen, > Travis > Keene and their fellow scientists will monitor growth for three > years, then > harvest and assess switchgrass' fuel-making potential. > > At each site, they expect to learn something different. The > Piedmont site, > where sewage and paper-mill sludge were dumped for years, promises > the best > fertility, Skousen says, but it also has weeds that can choke out the > switchgrass. > > Abandoned mine lands might be acidic, eroded and barren, so > switchgrass > could help reclaim them. Their soils, however, might not be > fertile and > might require much more preparation. Reclaimed-mine lands might > require less > preparation work because coal operators have restored the topsoil. > > Regardless of whether a site is abandoned or reclaimed, though, > there is > another problem. An abundance of rocks could make harvesting > impossible, or > at least expensive. > > The challenges don't end there. > > While studies have shown the net energy yield of switchgrass > ethanol is > about six times better than corn ethanol, there is no consensus on > how best > to covert it into sugars for fuel. Nor are there commercial-scale > refineries > or a distribution network for the fuel once it's made. > > Because switchgrass has a much lower energy potential than coal, > Skousen > says, it won't be economically feasible to ship it far. That means > refineries will have to be close to the fields. > > "We're a little concerned,'' he says, "but that's a problem > everywhere.'' > > Still, he adds, this is a possibility worth exploring. > >

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CORRECTION OF ATTACHMENT: SIERRA CLUB REPLY TO TRAILCO OPPOSITION TO CONTINUING PRUDENCE REVIEW
by William V. DePaulo, Esq. 28 Nov '08

28 Nov '08

Mr. Watkins: I attach the Sierra Club's reply to TrAILCo's opposition to the request for a continuing prudence review. Please call if there are any questions. -- William V. DePaulo, Esq. 179 Summers Street, Suite 232 Charleston, WV 25301-2163 Tel: 304-342-5588 Fax: 304-342-5505 william.depaulo(a)gmail.com www.passeggiata.com

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TRAILCO - SIERRA CLUB RESP TO APPLICANT OPPOSITION TO PRUDENCE REVIEW
by William V. DePaulo, Esq. 28 Nov '08

28 Nov '08

Mr. Watkins: I attach the Sierra Club's response to TrAILCo's opposition to the Sierra Club's petition for a continuing prudence review. Please contact me if you have any questions regarding this submission. William V. DePaulo, Esq. 179 Summers Street, Suite 232 Charleston, WV 25301-2163 Tel: 304-342-5588 Fax: 304-342-5505 william.depaulo(a)gmail.com www.passeggiata.com

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Rep Wolf of VA wants "review"of TrailCo
by Jim Sconyers 25 Nov '08

25 Nov '08

Gazette November 25, 2008 Va. congressman wants review of power line plans Virginia Congressman Frank Wolf wants Gov. Timothy Kaine to take the lead in forming a compact with other states to review plans for a regional power line. By The Associated Press RICHMOND, Va. -- Virginia Congressman Frank Wolf wants Gov. Timothy Kaine to take the lead in forming a compact with other states to review plans for a regional power line. Wolf urged Kaine in a Monday letter to form a compact with the governors of West Virginia and Pennsylvania to take a final look at the project before it moves forward. Such a compact is allowed under federal law. Wolf's letter addresses a 500-kilovolt transmission line proposed jointly by the Trans-Allegheny Interstate Line Co. and Dominion Virginia Power. The line would stretch from Pennsylvania to West Virginia through portions of northern Virginia. In September, Wolf urged Virginia's attorney general to appeal a decision by the State Corporation Commission allowing the line, known as the TRAIL project, to move forward. Jim Sconyers jim_scon(a)yahoo.com 603.969.6712 Remember: Mother Nature bats last.

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