I'm trying not to float off on a cloud of euphoria - Spruce veto, end of valley fills, appeal of Mingo CTL, ..... Reality bites: gotta wait and see what actually changes.
Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com 304.698.9628
Remember: Mother Nature bats last.
--- On Fri, 4/2/10, clrank@hughes.net clrank@hughes.net wrote:
From: clrank@hughes.net clrank@hughes.net Subject: Re: Selenium compliance extensions To: dteaney@appalachian-center.org Cc: jlovett@appalachian-center.org, JHECKER@publicjustice.net, mjanes@hardynet.com, aaron.isherwood@sierraclub.org, jim_scon@yahoo.com, dbady.ovec@gmail.com, janet.ovec@gmail.com, vernoncrmw@gmail.com, vivian@ohvec.org Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 10:58 AM
You write: "This is good news. It has been a good week. I hope everyone has a great weekend."
Wonderful to have cause to make those statements.....Maybe you should date it, frame it and hang it on your wall. ... i might --- just as a reminder that all things are possible - if only for the briefest of moments.
Cindy __________________
On Apr 2, 2010, Derek Teaney dteaney@appalachian-center.org wrote:
All – EPA Region III just informed me that they issued general objections to all pending selenium compliance schedule extensions. The legal effect is to extend EPA’s time to provide specific comments for 90 days. The practical effect is to cause serious anti-backsliding issues because DEP was unable to issue the extensions prior to the final compliance deadline of April 5, 2010. This is good news. It has been a good week. I hope everyone has a great weekend. Cheers, Derek Derek Teaney Senior Attorney Appalachian Center for the Economy and the Environment P.O. Box 507 Lewisburg, WV 24901 Phone (304) 793-9007 Fax (304) 645-9008 dteaney@appalachian-center.org INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS COMMUNICATION IS PRIVILEGED AND/OR CONFIDENTIAL, INTENDED ONLY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL/ENTITY NAMED ABOVE. IF THE READER OF THIS NOTICE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTURBANCE, OR COPYING OF THIS INFORMATION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS EMAIL IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY US BY PHONE (304) 793-9007 OR EMAIL, AND DELETE IT FROM YOUR COMPUTER. THANK YOU.
I was able not to float away on that cloud - but it was nice that it appeared however fleetingly. No more irrational exuberance - another way to paraphrase Vernon is "talk is cheap" including when it's the EPA speaking...
Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com 304.698.9628
Remember: Mother Nature bats last.
--- On Fri, 4/2/10, clrank@hughes.net clrank@hughes.net wrote:
From: clrank@hughes.net clrank@hughes.net Subject: Re: Re: Selenium compliance extensions To: jim_scon@yahoo.com Cc: dteaney@appalachian-center.org, jlovett@appalachian-center.org, JHECKER@publicjustice.net, mjanes@hardynet.com, aaron.isherwood@sierraclub.org, dbady.ovec@gmail.com, janet.ovec@gmail.com, vernoncrmw@gmail.com, vivian@ohvec.org, ec@osenergy.org Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 2:41 PM
Celebrate we should, but I'd not linger long in euphoria land, Jim.
....EPA, OSM, et al are all still talking fills this way, fills that way, mine throughs, etc. ..... and Joe Pizarchik the other day sounded more like we're going to forego the buffer zone rule as we know it (i.e. no mining within a certain distance from certain defined streams or stream segments) and start relying on new and improved CHIA's to determine where fills might not cause 'material damage' (a term lng debated but yet to be defined on the federal level and badly defined on a couple of occasions here in WV.. though challenged and not approved by OSM)
....and we still need enforcement no matter how good the rules or well-intentioned the EPA.... as Vernon Haltom said this morning in another context "Regardless of how clear and strict the rules of the game are, they’re useless if the referee is at the concession stand." ..... Of course EPA can still take over the WV DEP NPDES program to make this work, but if one counts up the number of states petitioning for similar takeovers EPA would have to quadruple in size before it even scratched the surface.....
Happy Easter weekend..... Cindy ________________________
On Apr 2, 2010, Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm trying not to float off on a cloud of euphoria - Spruce veto, end of valley fills, appeal of Mingo CTL, ..... Reality bites: gotta wait and see what actually changes.
Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com 304.698.9628
Remember: Mother Nature bats last.
--- On Fri, 4/2/10, clrank@hughes.net clrank@hughes.net wrote:
From: clrank@hughes.net clrank@hughes.net Subject: Re: Selenium compliance extensions To: dteaney@appalachian-center.org Cc: jlovett@appalachian-center.org, JHECKER@publicjustice.net, mjanes@hardynet.com, aaron.isherwood@sierraclub.org, jim_scon@yahoo.com, dbady.ovec@gmail.com, janet.ovec@gmail.com, vernoncrmw@gmail.com, vivian@ohvec.org Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 10:58 AM
You write: "This is good news. It has been a good week. I hope everyone has a great weekend."
Wonderful to have cause to make those statements.....Maybe you should date it, frame it and hang it on your wall. ... i might --- just as a reminder that all things are possible - if only for the briefest of moments.
Cindy __________________
On Apr 2, 2010, Derek Teaney dteaney@appalachian-center.org wrote:
All – EPA Region III just informed me that they issued general objections to all pending selenium compliance schedule extensions. The legal effect is to extend EPA’s time to provide specific comments for 90 days. The practical effect is to cause serious anti-backsliding issues because DEP was unable to issue the extensions prior to the final compliance deadline of April 5, 2010. This is good news. It has been a good week. I hope everyone has a great weekend. Cheers, Derek Derek Teaney Senior Attorney Appalachian Center for the Economy and the Environment P.O. Box 507 Lewisburg, WV 24901 Phone (304) 793-9007 Fax (304) 645-9008 dteaney@appalachian-center.org INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS COMMUNICATION IS PRIVILEGED AND/OR CONFIDENTIAL, INTENDED ONLY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL/ENTITY NAMED ABOVE. IF THE READER OF THIS NOTICE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTURBANCE, OR COPYING OF THIS INFORMATION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS EMAIL IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY US BY PHONE (304) 793-9007 OR EMAIL, AND DELETE IT FROM YOUR COMPUTER. THANK YOU.
All excellent points, Cindy.
Yesterday's announcement is certainly reason to celebrate, and we should, but I expect shenanigans ahead and there will lots more work to do. But you all are more than savvy enough to know that already, I'm sure.
Cheers, everyone. Enjoy your weekend!
Aaron
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From: clrank@hughes.net To: jim_scon@yahoo.com Cc: dteaney@appalachian-center.org, jlovett@appalachian-center.org, JHECKER@publicjustice.net, mjanes@hardynet.com, aaron.isherwood@sierraclub.org, dbady.ovec@gmail.com, janet.ovec@gmail.com, vernoncrmw@gmail.com, vivian@ohvec.org, ec@osenergy.org Date: 04/02/2010 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Re: Selenium compliance extensions
Celebrate we should, but I'd not linger long in euphoria land, Jim.
....EPA, OSM, et al are all still talking fills this way, fills that way, mine throughs, etc. ..... and Joe Pizarchik the other day sounded more like we're going to forego the buffer zone rule as we know it (i.e. no mining within a certain distance from certain defined streams or stream segments) and start relying on new and improved CHIA's to determine where fills might not cause 'material damage' (a term lng debated but yet to be defined on the federal level and badly defined on a couple of occasions here in WV.. though challenged and not approved by OSM)
....and we still need enforcement no matter how good the rules or well-intentioned the EPA.... as Vernon Haltom said this morning in another context "Regardless of how clear and strict the rules of the game are, they?re useless if the referee is at the concession stand." ..... Of course EPA can still take over the WV DEP NPDES program to make this work, but if one counts up the number of states petitioning for similar takeovers EPA would have to quadruple in size before it even scratched the surface.....
Happy Easter weekend..... Cindy ________________________
On Apr 2, 2010, Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm trying not to float off on a cloud of euphoria - Spruce veto, end of valley fills, appeal of Mingo CTL, ..... Reality bites: gotta wait and see what actually changes.
Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com 304.698.9628
Remember: Mother Nature bats last.
--- On Fri, 4/2/10, clrank@hughes.net clrank@hughes.net wrote:
From: clrank@hughes.net clrank@hughes.net Subject: Re: Selenium compliance extensions To: dteaney@appalachian-center.org Cc: jlovett@appalachian-center.org, JHECKER@publicjustice.net, mjanes@hardynet.com, aaron.isherwood@sierraclub.org, jim_scon@yahoo.com, dbady.ovec@gmail.com, janet.ovec@gmail.com, vernoncrmw@gmail.com, vivian@ohvec.org Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 10:58 AM
You write: "This is good news. It has been a good week. I hope everyone has a great weekend."
Wonderful to have cause to make those statements.....Maybe you should date it, frame it and hang it on your wall. ... i might --- just as a reminder that all things are possible - if only for the briefest of moments.
Cindy __________________
On Apr 2, 2010, Derek Teaney dteaney@appalachian-center.org wrote: All ?
EPA Region III just informed me that they issued general objections to all pending selenium compliance schedule extensions. The legal effect is to extend EPA?s time to provide specific comments for 90 days. The practical effect is to cause serious anti-backsliding issues because DEP was unable to issue the extensions prior to the final compliance deadline of April 5, 2010.
This is good news. It has been a good week. I hope everyone has a great weekend.
Cheers,
Derek
Derek Teaney Senior Attorney Appalachian Center for the Economy and the Environment P.O. Box 507 Lewisburg, WV 24901 Phone (304) 793-9007 Fax (304) 645-9008 dteaney@appalachian-center.org
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