Attached is Tomblin's executive order concerning gas drilling.
-Jonathan
Thank you Jonathon. Not sure how you got this, but it makes interesting reading.
At first glance this seems like a major step forward, but the cynic in me read it again.
* Nothing in here requires permits for or limits air emissions.
* Nothing requires a permit for water withdrawals. This order give the operator the authority to submit a plan, and as long as the plan meets the methods approved by DEP, DEP can not deny or reject a plan submitted by the operator.
* Nothing prohibits on-site burial of pit wastes. It says pits can be "managed on site in a manner otherwise approved by the Secretary of the WVDEP", and DEP currently approves on-site burial?
So I am wondering if it is time to blast this proposal as too little, too late, and a prescription for continued outrage among citizens and uncertainty for industry. It is a classic example of Tomblin's continuing failure to provide leadership.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org 7/12/2011 4:10 PM >>>
Attached is Tomblin's executive order concerning gas drilling.
-Jonathan
Furthermore, Leslee and I are trying to track down the facts behind hearing that the Greenbrier landfill is taking cuttings from wells in Greenbrier Co. Leslee said she heard they have a permit. If it's a permit from the DEP, then they are allowing hazardous materials in regular landfills.
-----Original Message----- From: ec-bounces@osenergy.org [mailto:ec-bounces@osenergy.org] On Behalf Of James Kotcon Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:12 PM To: ec@osenergy.org Cc: wyro@appalight.com; DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net Subject: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
Thank you Jonathon. Not sure how you got this, but it makes interesting reading.
At first glance this seems like a major step forward, but the cynic in me read it again.
* Nothing in here requires permits for or limits air emissions.
* Nothing requires a permit for water withdrawals. This order give the operator the authority to submit a plan, and as long as the plan meets the methods approved by DEP, DEP can not deny or reject a plan submitted by the operator.
* Nothing prohibits on-site burial of pit wastes. It says pits can be "managed on site in a manner otherwise approved by the Secretary of the WVDEP", and DEP currently approves on-site burial?
So I am wondering if it is time to blast this proposal as too little, too late, and a prescription for continued outrage among citizens and uncertainty for industry. It is a classic example of Tomblin's continuing failure to provide leadership.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org 7/12/2011 4:10 PM >>>
Attached is Tomblin's executive order concerning gas drilling.
-Jonathan
Beth,
By what legal determination are these drilling cuttings "hazardous materials"? Somehow I doubt that they have been legally determined to be hazardous materials.
I think I'd rather see them taken to a legal landfill than disposed of on site by the usual "fold the liner into the hole and bury" method.
Frank
----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Little" blittle@citynet.net To: "'James Kotcon'" jkotcon@wvu.edu; ec@osenergy.org Cc: wyro@appalight.com; DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
Furthermore, Leslee and I are trying to track down the facts behind hearing that the Greenbrier landfill is taking cuttings from wells in Greenbrier Co. Leslee said she heard they have a permit. If it's a permit from the DEP, then they are allowing hazardous materials in regular landfills.
-----Original Message----- From: ec-bounces@osenergy.org [mailto:ec-bounces@osenergy.org] On Behalf Of James Kotcon Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:12 PM To: ec@osenergy.org Cc: wyro@appalight.com; DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net Subject: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
Thank you Jonathon. Not sure how you got this, but it makes interesting reading.
At first glance this seems like a major step forward, but the cynic in me read it again.
Nothing in here requires permits for or limits air emissions.
Nothing requires a permit for water withdrawals. This order give the
operator the authority to submit a plan, and as long as the plan meets the methods approved by DEP, DEP can not deny or reject a plan submitted by the operator.
- Nothing prohibits on-site burial of pit wastes. It says pits can be
"managed on site in a manner otherwise approved by the Secretary of the WVDEP", and DEP currently approves on-site burial?
So I am wondering if it is time to blast this proposal as too little, too late, and a prescription for continued outrage among citizens and uncertainty for industry. It is a classic example of Tomblin's continuing failure to provide leadership.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org 7/12/2011 4:10 PM >>>
Attached is Tomblin's executive order concerning gas drilling.
-Jonathan
EC mailing list EC@osenergy.org http://osenergy.org/mailman/listinfo/ec
Frank, I don't doubt that they have not been classified as hazardous, because of all the exemptions gas development has from federal laws. That's the problem. And I seriously doubt that a regular landfill has the capability of testing for some of the nasties they contain, especially the NORMs. Granted, a landfill is better than buried on site, but the landfill in Greenbrier Co has leachate that goes into the Greenbrier River.
-----Original Message----- From: ec-bounces@osenergy.org [mailto:ec-bounces@osenergy.org] On Behalf Of Frank Young Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:20 PM To: ec@osenergy.org Cc: wyro@appalight.com; DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order be Beth,
By what legal determination are these drilling cuttings "hazardous materials"? Somehow I doubt that they have been legally determined to be hazardous materials.
I think I'd rather see them taken to a legal landfill than disposed of on site by the usual "fold the liner into the hole and bury" method.
Frank
----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Little" blittle@citynet.net To: "'James Kotcon'" jkotcon@wvu.edu; ec@osenergy.org Cc: wyro@appalight.com; DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
Furthermore, Leslee and I are trying to track down the facts behind hearing that the Greenbrier landfill is taking cuttings from wells in Greenbrier Co. Leslee said she heard they have a permit. If it's a permit from the DEP, then they are allowing hazardous materials in regular landfills.
-----Original Message----- From: ec-bounces@osenergy.org [mailto:ec-bounces@osenergy.org] On Behalf Of James Kotcon Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:12 PM To: ec@osenergy.org Cc: wyro@appalight.com; DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net Subject: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
Thank you Jonathon. Not sure how you got this, but it makes interesting reading.
At first glance this seems like a major step forward, but the cynic in me read it again.
Nothing in here requires permits for or limits air emissions.
Nothing requires a permit for water withdrawals. This order give the
operator the authority to submit a plan, and as long as the plan meets the methods approved by DEP, DEP can not deny or reject a plan submitted by the operator.
- Nothing prohibits on-site burial of pit wastes. It says pits can be
"managed on site in a manner otherwise approved by the Secretary of the WVDEP", and DEP currently approves on-site burial?
So I am wondering if it is time to blast this proposal as too little, too late, and a prescription for continued outrage among citizens and uncertainty for industry. It is a classic example of Tomblin's continuing failure to provide leadership.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org 7/12/2011 4:10 PM >>>
Attached is Tomblin's executive order concerning gas drilling.
-Jonathan
EC mailing list EC@osenergy.org http://osenergy.org/mailman/listinfo/ec
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I'd say this is classic co-opting.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, James Kotcon jkotcon@wvu.edu wrote:
Thank you Jonathon. Not sure how you got this, but it makes interesting reading.
At first glance this seems like a major step forward, but the cynic in me read it again.
Nothing in here requires permits for or limits air emissions.
Nothing requires a permit for water withdrawals. This order give the operator the authority to submit a plan, and as long as the plan meets the methods approved by DEP, DEP can not deny or reject a plan submitted by the operator.
Nothing prohibits on-site burial of pit wastes. It says pits can be "managed on site in a manner otherwise approved by the Secretary of the WVDEP", and DEP currently approves on-site burial?
So I am wondering if it is time to blast this proposal as too little, too late, and a prescription for continued outrage among citizens and uncertainty for industry. It is a classic example of Tomblin's continuing failure to provide leadership.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org 7/12/2011 4:10 PM >>>
Attached is Tomblin's executive order concerning gas drilling.
-Jonathan
EC mailing list EC@osenergy.org http://osenergy.org/mailman/listinfo/ec
I'm thinking we should send our position paper to Maloney to give him an complete picture of what's needed...c
Chuck Wyrostok Sierra Club Outreach Organizer Toll free 877 252 0257 E: outreach@marcellus-wv.com www.marcellus-wv.com
-----Original Message----- From: Jim Sconyers [mailto:jimscon@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:13 AM To: James Kotcon Cc: ec@osenergy.org; wyro@appalight.com; DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
I'd say this is classic co-opting.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, James Kotcon jkotcon@wvu.edu wrote:
Thank you Jonathon. Not sure how you got this, but it makes interesting
reading.
At first glance this seems like a major step forward, but the cynic in me
read it again.
Nothing in here requires permits for or limits air emissions.
Nothing requires a permit for water withdrawals. This order give the
operator the authority to submit a plan, and as long as the plan meets the methods approved by DEP, DEP can not deny or reject a plan submitted by the operator.
- Nothing prohibits on-site burial of pit wastes. It says pits can be
"managed on site in a manner otherwise approved by the Secretary of the WVDEP", and DEP currently approves on-site burial?
So I am wondering if it is time to blast this proposal as too little, too
late, and a prescription for continued outrage among citizens and uncertainty for industry. It is a classic example of Tomblin's continuing failure to provide leadership.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org 7/12/2011 4:10 PM >>>
Attached is Tomblin's executive order concerning gas drilling.
-Jonathan
EC mailing list EC@osenergy.org http://osenergy.org/mailman/listinfo/ec
Is there a way to bait them into engaging in a political game of "out Marcellus" one another?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Wyrostok" wyro@appalight.com To: "'Jim Sconyers'" jimscon@gmail.com; "'James Kotcon'" jkotcon@wvu.edu Cc: DSGJr@aol.com; ec@osenergy.org; jbc329@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
I'm thinking we should send our position paper to Maloney to give him an complete picture of what's needed...c
Chuck Wyrostok Sierra Club Outreach Organizer Toll free 877 252 0257 E: outreach@marcellus-wv.com www.marcellus-wv.com
-----Original Message----- From: Jim Sconyers [mailto:jimscon@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:13 AM To: James Kotcon Cc: ec@osenergy.org; wyro@appalight.com; DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
I'd say this is classic co-opting.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, James Kotcon jkotcon@wvu.edu wrote:
Thank you Jonathon. Not sure how you got this, but it makes interesting
reading.
At first glance this seems like a major step forward, but the cynic in me
read it again.
Nothing in here requires permits for or limits air emissions.
Nothing requires a permit for water withdrawals. This order give the
operator the authority to submit a plan, and as long as the plan meets the methods approved by DEP, DEP can not deny or reject a plan submitted by the operator.
- Nothing prohibits on-site burial of pit wastes. It says pits can be
"managed on site in a manner otherwise approved by the Secretary of the WVDEP", and DEP currently approves on-site burial?
So I am wondering if it is time to blast this proposal as too little, too
late, and a prescription for continued outrage among citizens and uncertainty for industry. It is a classic example of Tomblin's continuing failure to provide leadership.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org 7/12/2011 4:10 PM >>>
Attached is Tomblin's executive order concerning gas drilling.
-Jonathan
EC mailing list EC@osenergy.org http://osenergy.org/mailman/listinfo/ec
Great thinking.
-----Original Message----- From: ec-bounces@osenergy.org [mailto:ec-bounces@osenergy.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Wyrostok Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:42 PM To: 'Jim Sconyers'; 'James Kotcon' Cc: DSGJr@aol.com; ec@osenergy.org; jbc329@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
I'm thinking we should send our position paper to Maloney to give him an complete picture of what's needed...c
Chuck Wyrostok Sierra Club Outreach Organizer Toll free 877 252 0257 E: outreach@marcellus-wv.com www.marcellus-wv.com
-----Original Message----- From: Jim Sconyers [mailto:jimscon@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:13 AM To: James Kotcon Cc: ec@osenergy.org; wyro@appalight.com; DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
I'd say this is classic co-opting.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, James Kotcon jkotcon@wvu.edu wrote:
Thank you Jonathon. Not sure how you got this, but it makes interesting
reading.
At first glance this seems like a major step forward, but the cynic in me
read it again.
Nothing in here requires permits for or limits air emissions.
Nothing requires a permit for water withdrawals. This order give the
operator the authority to submit a plan, and as long as the plan meets the methods approved by DEP, DEP can not deny or reject a plan submitted by the operator.
- Nothing prohibits on-site burial of pit wastes. It says pits can be
"managed on site in a manner otherwise approved by the Secretary of the WVDEP", and DEP currently approves on-site burial?
So I am wondering if it is time to blast this proposal as too little, too
late, and a prescription for continued outrage among citizens and uncertainty for industry. It is a classic example of Tomblin's continuing failure to provide leadership.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org 7/12/2011 4:10 PM >>>
Attached is Tomblin's executive order concerning gas drilling.
-Jonathan
EC mailing list EC@osenergy.org http://osenergy.org/mailman/listinfo/ec
I concur. Make it so. Be sure to send a copy to Tomblin and Baber too.
JBK
"Chuck Wyrostok" wyro@appalight.com 7/13/2011 10:41 PM >>>
I'm thinking we should send our position paper to Maloney to give him an complete picture of what's needed...c
Chuck Wyrostok Sierra Club Outreach Organizer Toll free 877 252 0257 E: outreach@marcellus-wv.com www.marcellus-wv.com
-----Original Message----- From: Jim Sconyers [mailto:jimscon@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:13 AM To: James Kotcon Cc: ec@osenergy.org; wyro@appalight.com; DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
I'd say this is classic co-opting.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, James Kotcon jkotcon@wvu.edu wrote:
Thank you Jonathon. Not sure how you got this, but it makes interesting
reading.
At first glance this seems like a major step forward, but the cynic in me
read it again.
Nothing in here requires permits for or limits air emissions.
Nothing requires a permit for water withdrawals. This order give the
operator the authority to submit a plan, and as long as the plan meets the methods approved by DEP, DEP can not deny or reject a plan submitted by the operator.
- Nothing prohibits on-site burial of pit wastes. It says pits can be
"managed on site in a manner otherwise approved by the Secretary of the WVDEP", and DEP currently approves on-site burial?
So I am wondering if it is time to blast this proposal as too little, too
late, and a prescription for continued outrage among citizens and uncertainty for industry. It is a classic example of Tomblin's continuing failure to provide leadership.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org 7/12/2011 4:10 PM >>>
Attached is Tomblin's executive order concerning gas drilling.
-Jonathan
EC mailing list EC@osenergy.org http://osenergy.org/mailman/listinfo/ec
Alrighty. Baber already has a copy. Perhaps the copies for T&M should come from chapter chair w/a letter? JimS?
Chuck Wyrostok Sierra Club Outreach Organizer Toll free 877 252 0257 E: outreach@marcellus-wv.com www.marcellus-wv.com
-----Original Message----- From: James Kotcon [mailto:jkotcon@wvu.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:00 AM To: Chuck Wyrostok; Regina Hendrix; 'Jim Sconyers'; 'James Kotcon' Cc: DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net; ec@osenergy.org Subject: RE: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
I concur. Make it so. Be sure to send a copy to Tomblin and Baber too.
JBK
"Chuck Wyrostok" wyro@appalight.com 7/13/2011 10:41 PM >>>
I'm thinking we should send our position paper to Maloney to give him an complete picture of what's needed...c
Chuck Wyrostok Sierra Club Outreach Organizer Toll free 877 252 0257 E: outreach@marcellus-wv.com www.marcellus-wv.com
-----Original Message----- From: Jim Sconyers [mailto:jimscon@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:13 AM To: James Kotcon Cc: ec@osenergy.org; wyro@appalight.com; DSGJr@aol.com; jbc329@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: Tomblin's Executive Order
I'd say this is classic co-opting.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, James Kotcon jkotcon@wvu.edu wrote:
Thank you Jonathon. Not sure how you got this, but it makes interesting
reading.
At first glance this seems like a major step forward, but the cynic in me
read it again.
Nothing in here requires permits for or limits air emissions.
Nothing requires a permit for water withdrawals. This order give the
operator the authority to submit a plan, and as long as the plan meets the methods approved by DEP, DEP can not deny or reject a plan submitted by the operator.
- Nothing prohibits on-site burial of pit wastes. It says pits can be
"managed on site in a manner otherwise approved by the Secretary of the WVDEP", and DEP currently approves on-site burial?
So I am wondering if it is time to blast this proposal as too little, too
late, and a prescription for continued outrage among citizens and uncertainty for industry. It is a classic example of Tomblin's continuing failure to provide leadership.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org 7/12/2011 4:10 PM >>>
Attached is Tomblin's executive order concerning gas drilling.
-Jonathan
EC mailing list EC@osenergy.org http://osenergy.org/mailman/listinfo/ec
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