I just saw an actual advertisement on the t.v. from the reality coalition debunking the clean coal myth, this is also shown on their website at http://action.thisisreality.org/ . Good to see some big bucks are going into a serious media campaign.
Here is the Sierra Clubs Dec. 4 press release: http://action.sierraclub.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=81141.0
I am interested in what people think about this particular ad, do you think it conveys its message effectively?
-Jonathan
I think it may be a little too subtle. Most people who are not paying attention, still won't pay attention because this goes way over their heads. They need to make the point a lot more explicitly, perhaps by tying it to how much we are already paying for this in the form of health impacts, government subsidies, and electric rate increases for something that just does not exist.
Just my opinion.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org 12/8/2008 12:21 AM >>>
I just saw an actual advertisement on the t.v. from the reality coalition debunking the clean coal myth, this is also shown on their website at http://action.thisisreality.org/ . Good to see some big bucks are going into a serious media campaign.
Here is the Sierra Clubs Dec. 4 press release: http://action.sierraclub.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=81141.0
I am interested in what people think about this particular ad, do you think it conveys its message effectively?
-Jonathan
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I agree with Jim. The mantra that coal is clean is a fraud and is like saying smoking is healthy.
But the public needs to know the full spectrum of how dirty coal is. It is not just the burning...its all that goes before it gets to the boiler.
Here's what I wrote in a recent op-ed that appeared this Sunday in the Charleston Gazette-Mail:
There are serious barriers to carbon capture and sequestration. Legal liability from potential leaks from underground storage is unresolved. There are technical challenges of how to strip CO2 out of smokestack gases that are not close to being solved. Arch Coal's president recently predicted it is at least 15 years from being commercially viable. We don't have 15 years to wait.
On the other hand, there are very real economic opportunities in this Third Industrial Revolution: Jobs [in renewable energy technologies]!
Ask those concerned about the aesthetics of energy-producing technologies such as wind farms: What is pretty about a mountaintop removal site, or a coal pile, or a sludge pond filled with billions of gallons of toxic waste precariously dammed with an earthen wall above an elementary school?
I seriously recommend that the Sierra Club develop a series of ads showing the realities on the ground:
1. Coal Trucks speeding through villages, with coal dust flying off the tops 2. An aerial shot of Marsh Fork Elementary School showing the dust generating loading silos and earthen dam holding back, (maybe only temporarily? ) 3.0 Billion Gallons of Toxic waste less than 1/4 of a mile UPSTREAM FROM THE SCHOOL!
An overlay pointing out there are 1200 such toxic ponds around Appalachia, and what happens to them after coal runs out and society is left to maintain these highly questionable earthen dams...a future Buffalo Creek waiting to happen?
The "real dirt" on Coal is more than just what happens when you burn it
Allan
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----- Original Message ----- From: James Kotconmailto:jkotcon@wvu.edu To: Jonathan Rosenbaummailto:freesource@cheat.org ; Energy Committeemailto:ec@osenergy.org Cc: Maria Gunnoemailto:wvhollowgirl@aol.com ; Joe Gormanmailto:joe.madpj7@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [EC] Unclean Coal - The Reality Coalition
I think it may be a little too subtle. Most people who are not paying attention, still won't pay attention because this goes way over their heads. They need to make the point a lot more explicitly, perhaps by tying it to how much we are already paying for this in the form of health impacts, government subsidies, and electric rate increases for something that just does not exist.
Just my opinion.
JBK
Jonathan Rosenbaum <freesource@cheat.orgmailto:freesource@cheat.org> 12/8/2008 12:21 AM >>>
I just saw an actual advertisement on the t.v. from the reality coalition debunking the clean coal myth, this is also shown on their website at http://action.thisisreality.org/http://action.thisisreality.org/ . Good to see some big bucks are going into a serious media campaign.
Here is the Sierra Clubs Dec. 4 press release: http://action.sierraclub.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=81141.0http://action.sierraclub.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=81141.0
I am interested in what people think about this particular ad, do you think it conveys its message effectively?
-Jonathan
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I "got" that there is no such thing as clean coal.
I didn't get what the scene was supposed to show when the guy opened the door to...what? the desert? And I didn't get whatever the point was about the noise....
Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com 603.969.6712
Remember: Mother Nature bats last.
________________________________ From: Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org To: Energy Committee ec@osenergy.org Cc: Maria Gunnoe wvhollowgirl@aol.com; Joe Gorman joe.madpj7@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 12:21:03 AM Subject: [EC] Unclean Coal - The Reality Coalition
I just saw an actual advertisement on the t.v. from the reality coalition debunking the clean coal myth, this is also shown on their website at http://action.thisisreality.org/ . Good to see some big bucks are going into a serious media campaign.
Here is the Sierra Clubs Dec. 4 press release: http://action.sierraclub.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=81141.0
I am interested in what people think about this particular ad, do you think it conveys its message effectively?
-Jonathan
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Have any of you EVER been inside a coal fired power plant? My Brooklyn NY uncle took me on an extensive tour of his power plant on the Hudson River in the late 1950's. It is NOISY LOUD everywhere. Al Gore's organization made the ad, so direct comments/complaints to him. I got it, but maybe the majority of viewers did not?? paul w.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com wrote:
I "got" that there is no such thing as clean coal.
I didn't get what the scene was supposed to show when the guy opened the door to...what? the desert? And I didn't get whatever the point was about the noise....
Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com 603.969.6712
Remember: Mother Nature bats last.
*From:* Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org *To:* Energy Committee ec@osenergy.org *Cc:* Maria Gunnoe wvhollowgirl@aol.com; Joe Gorman < joe.madpj7@gmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, December 8, 2008 12:21:03 AM *Subject:* [EC] Unclean Coal - The Reality Coalition
I just saw an actual advertisement on the t.v. from the reality coalition debunking the clean coal myth, this is also shown on their website at http://action.thisisreality.org/ . Good to see some big bucks are going into a serious media campaign.
Here is the Sierra Clubs Dec. 4 press release: http://action.sierraclub.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=81141.0
I am interested in what people think about this particular ad, do you think it conveys its message effectively?
-Jonathan
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I toured the Mon Power plant at Albright with my math classes in the 1980s.
Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com 603.969.6712
Remember: Mother Nature bats last.
________________________________ From: Paul Wilson pjgrunt@gmail.com To: Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com Cc: Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org; Energy Committee ec@osenergy.org; Maria Gunnoe wvhollowgirl@aol.com; Joe Gorman joe.madpj7@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 10:03:36 AM Subject: Re: [EC] Unclean Coal - The Reality Coalition
Have any of you EVER been inside a coal fired power plant? My Brooklyn NY uncle took me on an extensive tour of his power plant on the Hudson River in the late 1950's. It is NOISY LOUD everywhere. Al Gore's organization made the ad, so direct comments/complaints to him. I got it, but maybe the majority of viewers did not?? paul w.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com wrote:
I "got" that there is no such thing as clean coal.
I didn't get what the scene was supposed to show when the guy opened the door to...what? the desert? And I didn't get whatever the point was about the noise....
Jim Sconyers jim_scon@yahoo.com 603.969.6712
Remember: Mother Nature bats last.
________________________________ From: Jonathan Rosenbaum freesource@cheat.org To: Energy Committee ec@osenergy.org Cc: Maria Gunnoe wvhollowgirl@aol.com; Joe Gorman joe.madpj7@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 12:21:03 AM Subject: [EC] Unclean Coal - The Reality Coalition
I just saw an actual advertisement on the t.v. from the reality coalition debunking the clean coal myth, this is also shown on their website at http://action.thisisreality.org/ . Good to see some big bucks are going into a serious media campaign.
Here is the Sierra Clubs Dec. 4 press release: http://action.sierraclub.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=81141.0
I am interested in what people think about this particular ad, do you think it conveys its message effectively?
-Jonathan
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I get it my question is will everyone else?
I think they could have done more with the air time.
Maybe a commercial from the middle of an active MTR site with the man saying they can no more make coal clean than they can build mountains back. End it with something like clean coal is as big a lie as reclaimed land either will ever exist. Just my thoughts....
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