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Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: info somewhere about more plants
by Barbara Fallon 29 Jul '08

29 Jul '08

Well, here is some good news! Can anyone comment on Pat's question? ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "Pat.Gallagher(a)sierraclub.org" <Pat.Gallagher(a)sierraclub.org> To: Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 4:49:06 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: [EC] info somewhere about more plants Barbara - I see that the PATH project originates at the John Amos station, so the coal plant link couldn't be clearer. We can allocate $10,000 for litigation costs. Also - has the idea of a case against FERC fot its subsidies been explored ? Pat Gallagher Director of Environmental Law Sierra Club 85 Second Street, 4th Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 415.977.5709 415.977.5793 fax pat.gallagher(a)sierraclub.org CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL COMMUNICATION/WORK PRODUCT This e-mail may contain privileged and confidential attorney-client communications and/or confidential attorney work product. If you receive this e-mail inadvertently, please reply and notify the sender and delete all versions on your system. Thank you. Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon@yaho o.com> To Pat.Gallagher(a)sierraclub.org 07/21/2008 06:51 cc AM Subject Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: [EC] info somewhere about more plants Pat, Thanks for understanding our perdicament. Can the Law program support us with $10,000? Over time our financial needs are going to be much greater than this amount, but a $10,000 base combined with our local and state fundraising, should put us in the ball-park for expert witness fees. Funding from the Law Program will be a great morale boost as well. As for the Mountaineer plant inquiry, this is a reply from Jim Kotcon. "The Mountaineer IGCC plant was being developed by AEP, while TrAILCo is a wholly owned subsidiary of Allegheny Energy. Thus, Mountaineer was never an explicit part of the justification for TrAIL. Instead, TrAIL based their economic benefits analysis on four unnamed "potential" plants. In the evidentiary hearings, TrAILCo did not explicitly back away form the idea of four new plants, but tended to emphasize the transmission constraints from either new plants or existing unused capacity. They never really were pinned down, and the regional transmission operator, PJM, only indicated a generalized need for new transmission. They argued that it was not possible to identify specific plants from which the electrons would flow, only that plants in the region needed the transmission capacity to supply the East Coast markets. TrAILCo and PATH both argue that the lines are needed even for new commercial wind farms, although the combined capacity of the lines is ten times that needed for all existing and currently planned wind farms." JBK Thank you for your concern and support Pat. Barbara ----- Original Message ---- From: "Pat.Gallagher(a)sierraclub.org" <Pat.Gallagher(a)sierraclub.org> To: Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:53:04 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: [EC] info somewhere about more plants Thanks Barbara - I see the bind you're in. How much money are you looking for ? I think something should be doable. One thing I noticed - the Trail line was justified in part by the Mountaineer plant. But that plant was rejected by the PSC, correct ? So has there been an effort to reopen/raise that issue ? Pat Gallagher Director of Environmental Law Sierra Club 85 Second Street, 4th Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 415.977.5709 415.977.5793 fax pat.gallagher(a)sierraclub.org CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL COMMUNICATION/WORK PRODUCT This e-mail may contain privileged and confidential attorney-client communications and/or confidential attorney work product. If you receive this e-mail inadvertently, please reply and notify the sender and delete all versions on your system. Thank you. Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon@yaho o.com> To pat.gallagher(a)sierraclub.org 07/17/2008 12:27 cc PM Subject Fw: Fw: Fw: [EC] info somewhere about more plants Pat, Jim has summarized our tentative and unsavory situation. I feel like we are in a holding pattern, yet we need to raise funds in order to be ready for several different outcomes. We are doing chapter fundraising and also directed fundraising. I can't find outside sources of funding because public foundations do not want to fund litagation and expert witnesses. It was a hard blow to find out that we did not get the SES or the National Coal grants. I appreciate your interest in this case and in the difficulty we have in fundraising. If you have any suggestions for fundraising I will pursue them. Otherwise, is there something the Law Program can do for us. I do not know if you have had time to read the grant proposal to National Coal. I have it attached. Best REgards, Barbara ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: James Kotcon <jkotcon(a)wvu.edu> To: Duane Nichols <duane330(a)aol.com>; William DePaulo Esq <william.depaulo(a)gmail.com>; James Kotcon <jkotcon(a)wvu.edu>; Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:51:31 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [EC] info somewhere about more plants No specific information has been filed for PATH, that I am aware of, as they have not yet filed their application. The PATH website FAQs page sidesteps this issue with double talk about the need to improve "reliability", so it is not clear that they will even raise the issue of additional power plants. They do, however, discuss "increasing demand" as well as retirements of existing power plants as part of te justification for the line. Regardless of whether the increased electricity comes from new plants, or increased generation from existing coal-fired plants, increasing demand means more coal burned. Hence, we should not get bogged down in nit-picking over whether the generation is from new plants versus older ones, in either case it means more coal is burned. Furthermore, the initial justification for the NIETC was an effort to move an additional 5000 MW of "coal-by-wire" from the mid-Ohio Valley to the East Coast. While there are some long-range concerns over transmission (although none would occur sooner than 4 to 8 years from now), the real issue is that coal is cheaper than the existing sources on the East Coast, so if they can overcome the transmission constraints, the coal could displace the more expensive (and cleaner) generating plants on the East Coast. This "economic congestion" is the real driver behind the lines, not the hypothetical peak demand reliability issues. And that would mean even more coal being burned, not just to meet the increased demand, but to substitute for existing higher-priced generation. I believe that our only hope is to delay PATH and TrAIL for a couple more years until we can get Congress to revise the NIETC laws. As long as the utilities are guaranteed an "Incentive Rate of Return" and powers of eminent domain, they will eventually win. Note, the PATH website timeline (http://pathtransmission.com) has them filing in December 2008, so most of our legal expenses would be incurred in 2009. It is also important to note that PATH will actually be filing two separate applications, one for the Amos-to-Bedington (north of Martinsburg, WV) segment, the other from Bedington to a new substation at Kemptown MD. Hence, WV will bear a double load in fighting this line, while the Maryland Chapter will also need to get involved for the second segment. But under this strategy, I suspect that much of the line will be built even if only WV gives approval. In any event, an awful lot will depend on what the WV-PSC does with the TrAIL application, and how we respond. I think the priority for funding in the second half of 2008 should be for appeals of a TrAIL decision. If I were a betting man, my current prediction is that the PSC will rule in favor of TrAIL, and we will have to appeal to the WV Supreme Court. Even if they rule in our favor and against TrAIL, I expect TrAILCo to appeal, and we will need to be involved in that appeal as intervenors. The TrAIL case this year will set the precedents that drive a PATH case next year. And the TrAIL case is the one where they do claim that part of the benefits will derive from four new power plants. Hope this helps. Let me know if you need citations for any of the above. JBK >>> Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon(a)yahoo.com> 7/16/2008 4:07 PM >>> Pat is interested in helping us fund the legal aspects of PATH. I have sent him our recent grant request but I am not sure that he has had time to read it. Pat needs information from us re: more coal plants if PATH is constructed. I sent him info re: TrAILCO, but he needs it for PATH if he is going to be able to get us some money. Do you guys have any infor on construction of coal power plants if PATH goes through... ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "Pat.Gallagher(a)sierraclub.org" <Pat.Gallagher(a)sierraclub.org> To: Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:10:32 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [EC] info somewhere about more plants Thanks - This pertains to TrailCo - do we have any similar evidence re PATH ? I'm a believer in what you're doing - I just need to tie it directly to coal plants to use coal litigation funds. Pat Gallagher Director of Environmental Law Sierra Club 85 Second Street, 4th Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 415.977.5709 415.977.5793 fax pat.gallagher(a)sierraclub.org CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL COMMUNICATION/WORK PRODUCT This e-mail may contain privileged and confidential attorney-client communications and/or confidential attorney work product. If you receive this e-mail inadvertently, please reply and notify the sender and delete all versions on your system. Thank you. -----Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon(a)yahoo.com> wrote: ----- To: pat.gallagher(a)sierraclub.org From: Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon(a)yahoo.com> Date: 07/16/2008 07:21AM Subject: Fw: [EC] info somewhere about more plants Pat, more info on the connection of TrAILCO and more coal fired power plants. Barbara ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: James Kotcon <jkotcon(a)wvu.edu> To: Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:18:35 PM Subject: Re: [EC] info somewhere about more plants My apologies for the delay, hope this is still timely. The testimony submitted by TrAILCo witness Tom Witt calculated the economic benefits of the transmission line. In it, he claimed that the line would support four new 600 MW coal-fired power plants, and further claimed that the economic benefits from these plants were part of the economic benefits to be derived from the line. TrAILCo has not specifically proposed additional plants, but their line was clearly intended to increase sales of coal-fired electricity from WV and Ohio plants to the East Coast. TrAILCo also presented the scenario that the line would merely support increased operation of existing plants. In either case, it would mean a lot more coal being burned to generate electricity to be sold on the East Coast where it would compete with cleaner, but more expensive power plants. This is the main reason that CPV Warren had intervened in the case. They argued that the line would make their proposed natural gas-fired plant in Warren VA economically unviable. The argument appeared to be sufficiently sound that Dominion Energy (Allegheny's partner in TrAILCo) bought the rights to the CPV Warren plant. The specific documentation for the above is filed as part of the official record on the PSC web page, but it is buried among a large number of documents. Let me know if you want me to dig out the specific citations. JBK (See attached file: Coal foundation608.doc)

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What's our greeting? Bush Heading to WV to Speak about Coal
by Jim Sconyers 28 Jul '08

28 Jul '08

What is the message/sound bite/sign text? Seems like "Coal Stinks" might not be quite right. "Blowin in the Wind" "Here Comes the Sun" Energy Forecast: Sunny and Windy" uh.... Jim Sconyers jim_scon(a)yahoo.com 603.969.6712 Remember: Mother Nature bats last. ----- Original Message ---- From: Regina Hendrix <regina1936(a)verizon.net> To: Jim Sconyers <jim_scon(a)yahoo.com>; Bill Price <bill.price(a)sierraclub.org> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:17:13 PM Subject: [Fwd: Re: [mountainjusticesummer] Fwd: [fom] Bush Heading to WV to Speak about Coal] Looks as if interest is building. I am interested. Regina -----Inline Message Follows----- I know there will be a good handful of MJers at the festival, and I'll bet you ten dollars we can recruit more rabblerousers... Are there already plans in the works that we could coordinate with? mander On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Dana Kuhnline <dana.kuhnline(a)gmail.com> wrote: Oh my lord! I have some signs around that could be utilized. Dana ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel Chiotos <danny(a)seac.org> Date: Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:38 PM Subject: [fom] Bush Heading to WV to Speak about Coal To: FOM list <fom(a)lists.riseup.net> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Malyka Knapp-Smith <mknappsmith(a)yahoo.com> Date: Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:19 PM Subject: joy of joys....can we go protest??????? To: Daniel Chiotos <trouserdude(a)gmail.com> Friday July 25, 2008 President George W. Bush headed to West Virginia He will speak about importance of coal in national energy future by George Hohmann Daily Mail Business Editor President George W. Bush will speak at the West Virginia Coal Association's annual meeting next Thursday at The Greenbrier Resort, White House spokesman Blair Jones said today. "The president will talk about overall energy issues and the importance of clean coal technologies and nuclear power technologies," Jones said. Bill Raney, president of the West Virginia Coal Association, said today, "We're so very honored that the President has chosen to come to West Virginia and to the West Virginia Coal Association's meeting as an opportunity to talk about energy and the needs we have and the important part that West Virginia coal miners and coal mines play in this nation's energy picture." The meeting will be July 31 through Aug. 3. Also scheduled to speak: * West Virginia University Interim President Peter Magrath. * Michael Morris, president and chief executive officer of American Electric Power. * Jim Boyd of John T. Boyd Co. will discuss coal markets. John T. Boyd Co. is a mining consulting company. * Hal Quinn, senior vice president of the National Mining Association, will talk about national issues relating to coal. * Randy Huffman, secretary of the state Department of Environmental Protection. * Homer Hickam, one of the original Rocket Boys and author of the recently released book, "Red Helmet." Contact writer George Hohmann at busin...(a)dailymail.com or 348-4836. Malyka Knapp-Smith 907 Scenic Drive Charleston WV 25311 Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! www.seac.org/pledge Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 Sí Se Puede - Obama 08 -- Cheers, Daniel Chiotos SEAC Appalachia Organizer 1615 Franklin Ave, Apt D Charleston, WV, 25311 (304)886-3389 {www.seac.org} Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! {www.seac.org/pledge} "We may be poor but we are not for sale" -Great Song -- Dana Kuhnline Alliance for Appalachia PO Box 11701 Charleston, WV 25339 Call: (304) 546-8473 Fax: (304) 342-3183 www.ilovemountains.org Support youth working for climate justice! www.seac.org Nobody made a greater mistake than doing nothing because you can only do a little. Edmund Burke -- Dana Kuhnline Alliance for Appalachia PO Box 11701 Charleston, WV 25339 Call: (304) 546-8473 Fax: (304) 342-3183 www.ilovemountains.org Support youth working for climate justice! www.seac.org Nobody made a greater mistake than doing nothing because you can only do a little. Edmund Burke -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Interesting. Maybe we should make some fliers that could be printed and brought to clifftop and maybe hung up in coffeeshops etc. at Greenbrier cty. Is there anyway we could find out where people interested in going should meet up and where a safe place to park and stand would be? As I recall, the Amtrak station is basically right across from the Greenbrier, so that would be a decent launching spot, any thoughts? They have a gatekeeper there, so I doubt they will let anyone on the grounds or anywhere near where the FOCers will be but a highway presence would be nice to have anyway and maybe Bush will drive by and his security agents will see the signs. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=greenbrier+resort,+white+s… Dana On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Amanda Cagle <caglear(a)gmail.com> wrote: The Greenbrier Resort is in White Sulphur Springs, which is only 50 miles away from the annual Appalachian Old Time Music festival in Clifftop, WV, which just happens to run from the 29th through the 3rd. I know there will be a good handful of MJers at the festival, and I'll bet you ten dollars we can recruit more rabblerousers... Are there already plans in the works that we could coordinate with? mander On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Dana Kuhnline <dana.kuhnline(a)gmail.com> wrote: Oh my lord! I have some signs around that could be utilized. Dana ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel Chiotos <danny(a)seac.org> Date: Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:38 PM Subject: [fom] Bush Heading to WV to Speak about Coal To: FOM list <fom(a)lists.riseup.net> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Malyka Knapp-Smith <mknappsmith(a)yahoo.com> Date: Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:19 PM Subject: joy of joys....can we go protest??????? To: Daniel Chiotos <trouserdude(a)gmail.com> Friday July 25, 2008 President George W. Bush headed to West Virginia He will speak about importance of coal in national energy future by George Hohmann Daily Mail Business Editor President George W. Bush will speak at the West Virginia Coal Association's annual meeting next Thursday at The Greenbrier Resort, White House spokesman Blair Jones said today. "The president will talk about overall energy issues and the importance of clean coal technologies and nuclear power technologies," Jones said. Bill Raney, president of the West Virginia Coal Association, said today, "We're so very honored that the President has chosen to come to West Virginia and to the West Virginia Coal Association's meeting as an opportunity to talk about energy and the needs we have and the important part that West Virginia coal miners and coal mines play in this nation's energy picture." The meeting will be July 31 through Aug. 3. Also scheduled to speak: * West Virginia University Interim President Peter Magrath. * Michael Morris, president and chief executive officer of American Electric Power. * Jim Boyd of John T. Boyd Co. will discuss coal markets. John T. Boyd Co. is a mining consulting company. * Hal Quinn, senior vice president of the National Mining Association, will talk about national issues relating to coal. * Randy Huffman, secretary of the state Department of Environmental Protection. * Homer Hickam, one of the original Rocket Boys and author of the recently released book, "Red Helmet." Contact writer George Hohmann at busin...(a)dailymail.com or 348-4836. Malyka Knapp-Smith 907 Scenic Drive Charleston WV 25311 Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! www.seac.org/pledge Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 Sí Se Puede - Obama 08 -- Cheers, Daniel Chiotos SEAC Appalachia Organizer 1615 Franklin Ave, Apt D Charleston, WV, 25311 (304)886-3389 {www.seac.org} Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! {www.seac.org/pledge} "We may be poor but we are not for sale" -Great Song -- Dana Kuhnline Alliance for Appalachia PO Box 11701 Charleston, WV 25339 Call: (304) 546-8473 Fax: (304) 342-3183 www.ilovemountains.org Support youth working for climate justice! www.seac.org Nobody made a greater mistake than doing nothing because you can only do a little. Edmund Burke -- Dana Kuhnline Alliance for Appalachia PO Box 11701 Charleston, WV 25339 Call: (304) 546-8473 Fax: (304) 342-3183 www.ilovemountains.org Support youth working for climate justice! www.seac.org Nobody made a greater mistake than doing nothing because you can only do a little. Edmund Burke

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Re: [EC] [fom] USACE Pub. Notice 2007-134-GAU
by Michael Price 28 Jul '08

28 Jul '08

Regina, Good to hear from you. Glad to see you involved in sending out the info on all of these issues. Aaron Iserwood, attorny for the Sierra Club has asked me to be a declarent in the Powellton Coal case. I know several people who live at Jodie on Rich Creek and I can talk with them about this issue. I do not know Bob Gates but I would like to talk with him and see if we can communicate about this issue with him. Regards, mike ===================== From: Regina Hendrix <regina1936(a)verizon.net> Date: 2008/07/28 Mon PM 12:46:49 EDT To: Bob Gates <photonzx(a)ntelos.net> Cc: All of FOM list <fom(a)lists.riseup.net>, Margaret Janes <mjanes(a)hardynet.com>, ec(a)osenergy.org Subject: Re: [EC] [fom] USACE Pub. Notice 2007-134-GAU And there's a Head Start at the bottom of the steep descent. Bob Gates wrote: > I just came across Gauley Mountain this morning on the way back from > the Appalachian String Band Festival at Clifftop for a couple of days > break. While I did not see the mine, there were quite a few coal > trucks going up and down the mountain between Ansted and Gauley > Bridge. It is amazing that they would run them up and down such a > steep windy road. Will see what I can spot when I go back later this > week. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina Hendrix" > <regina1936(a)verizon.net> > To: "Margaret Janes" <mjanes(a)hardynet.com> > Cc: "All of FOM list" <fom(a)lists.riseup.net>; <ec(a)osenergy.org> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:21 PM > Subject: [fom] USACE Pub. Notice 2007-134-GAU > > >> Margaret, I just got the Corps' notice on a project at the Muddlety >> Surface Mine No. 1, pending permit number S-3004-07, in Nicholas >> County on Muddlety Creek, a tributary of the Gauley. They also >> reference the NPDES Permit WV1022229. Every time I get one of these >> notices I'm traumatized. >> >> I've added the FOM list and Sierra Club's energy committee as cc's >> because I'm probably not the only one who'd like an update on our >> case in the 4th Circuit. >> Also, I'm hoping you will give us a short update on where this >> project on the Gauley stands, i.e., is this project on hold until we >> get a decision in the 4th Circuit? (They mention proposed Valley >> Fills 1 and 2.) In this instance would the NPDES permit be on hold >> also? >> >> Thanks, once again, for sharing your knowledge of these proposed and >> accomplished criminal acts. >> >> Regina Hendrix >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ EC mailing list EC(a)osenergy.org http://osenergy.org/mailman/listinfo/ec

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Re: [EC] [fom] USACE Pub. Notice 2007-134-GAU
by Regina Hendrix 28 Jul '08

28 Jul '08

And there's a Head Start at the bottom of the steep descent. Bob Gates wrote: > I just came across Gauley Mountain this morning on the way back from > the Appalachian String Band Festival at Clifftop for a couple of days > break. While I did not see the mine, there were quite a few coal > trucks going up and down the mountain between Ansted and Gauley > Bridge. It is amazing that they would run them up and down such a > steep windy road. Will see what I can spot when I go back later this > week. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina Hendrix" > <regina1936(a)verizon.net> > To: "Margaret Janes" <mjanes(a)hardynet.com> > Cc: "All of FOM list" <fom(a)lists.riseup.net>; <ec(a)osenergy.org> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:21 PM > Subject: [fom] USACE Pub. Notice 2007-134-GAU > > >> Margaret, I just got the Corps' notice on a project at the Muddlety >> Surface Mine No. 1, pending permit number S-3004-07, in Nicholas >> County on Muddlety Creek, a tributary of the Gauley. They also >> reference the NPDES Permit WV1022229. Every time I get one of these >> notices I'm traumatized. >> >> I've added the FOM list and Sierra Club's energy committee as cc's >> because I'm probably not the only one who'd like an update on our >> case in the 4th Circuit. >> Also, I'm hoping you will give us a short update on where this >> project on the Gauley stands, i.e., is this project on hold until we >> get a decision in the 4th Circuit? (They mention proposed Valley >> Fills 1 and 2.) In this instance would the NPDES permit be on hold >> also? >> >> Thanks, once again, for sharing your knowledge of these proposed and >> accomplished criminal acts. >> >> Regina Hendrix >> >> >> >> > >

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Re: [EC] [Fwd: [fom] Officials announce new $800 million coal-to-gasoline plant]
by Jim Sconyers 28 Jul '08

28 Jul '08

Weep is right - for the poor misguided fools who "represent" us, for we the citizens who elect them, and for the venality of forcing WV taxpayers to subsidize this. Nice touch - a coal sequestration "plan" - even though all would agree that this is the worst kind of dirty-pie-in-the-dirty-sky for the near future. Jim Sconyers jim_scon(a)yahoo.com 603.969.6712 Remember: Mother Nature bats last. ----- Original Message ---- From: Regina Hendrix <regina1936(a)verizon.net> To: ec(a)osenergy.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:21:51 PM Subject: [EC] [Fwd: [fom] Officials announce new $800 million coal-to-gasoline plant] Read it and weep. Your tax money will contribute to this effort. Regina

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[Fwd: [fom] Officials announce new $800 million coal-to-gasoline plant]
by Regina Hendrix 28 Jul '08

28 Jul '08

Read it and weep. Your tax money will contribute to this effort. Regina

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Re: [EC] Bush at Greenbrier next Thursday to Speak about Coal
by Jim Sconyers 28 Jul '08

28 Jul '08

more at http://www.wvcoal.com/content/view/366/58/ Jim Sconyers jim_scon(a)yahoo.com 603.969.6712 Remember: Mother Nature bats last. ----- Original Message ---- From: Regina Hendrix <regina1936(a)verizon.net> To: Jim Sconyers <jim_scon(a)yahoo.com> Cc: Bill Price <bill.price(a)sierraclub.org>; Jonathan Rosenbaum <freesource(a)cheat.org>; ec(a)osenergy.org; Bill DePaulo <william.depaulo(a)gmail.com>; Karen Grubb <kgrubb(a)fairmontstate.edu>; Mike Price <greyhawkwv(a)Verizon.net>; Sandra Cress <sandra.cress(a)gmail.com>; Allan Tweddle <allantweddle(a)msn.com>; Autumn <blisssister(a)hotmail.com>; Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon(a)yahoo.com>; Beth Little <blittle(a)citynet.net>; Dave Saville <daves(a)labyrinth.net>; Duane Nichols <duane330(a)aol.com>; Jim Kotcon <jkotcon(a)wvu.edu>; Kate Stone <klastone(a)cisunix.unh.edu>; Matt Keller <matt.keller(a)wvwild.org>; Paul Wilson <pjgrunt(a)lycos.com>; Rory McIlmoil <rorygep(a)gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:18:30 AM Subject: Re: Bush at Greenbrier next Thursday to Speak about Coal http://www.shopfloor.org/tag/west-virginia-coal-association/ See above. It says he will speak at 10:25 on Thursday. It also mentions a Scouts activity on the North Portico. I suspect this will insure he will be late. Jim Sconyers wrote: > Can anyoe find out details - times, etc.? > > Jim Sconyers > jim_scon(a)yahoo.com > 603.969.6712 > > Remember: Mother Nature bats last. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bill Price <bill.price(a)sierraclub.org> > To: Jonathan Rosenbaum <freesource(a)cheat.org>; Jim Sconyers > <jim_scon(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: Regina Hendrix <regina1936(a)verizon.net>; ec(a)osenergy.org; Bill > DePaulo <william.depaulo(a)gmail.com>; Karen Grubb > <kgrubb(a)fairmontstate.edu>; Mike Price <greyhawkwv(a)Verizon.net>; > Sandra Cress <sandra.cress(a)gmail.com>; Allan Tweddle > <allantweddle(a)msn.com>; Autumn <blisssister(a)hotmail.com>; Barbara > Fallon <brbr_fallon(a)yahoo.com>; Beth Little <blittle(a)citynet.net>; > Dave Saville <daves(a)labyrinth.net>; Duane Nichols <duane330(a)aol.com>; > Jim Kotcon <jkotcon(a)wvu.edu>; Kate Stone <klastone(a)cisunix.unh.edu>; > Matt Keller <matt.keller(a)wvwild.org>; Paul Wilson <pjgrunt(a)lycos.com>; > Rory McIlmoil <rorygep(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:01:16 PM > Subject: RE: Bush at Greenbrier next Thursday to Speak about Coal > > We just found out about this. If you guys want to organize something, > I can see if coalfield groups want to plug into it. > > > > Bill Price, Sierra Club EJ Program > 922 Quarrier Street, Suite 304 > Charleston , WV 25311 > Phone 304-342-3182 > Cell 304-389-8822 > Fax 304-342-3183 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Jonathan Rosenbaum [mailto:freesource@cheat.org] > *Sent:* Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:40 PM > *To:* Jim Sconyers; Bill Price > *Cc:* Regina Hendrix; ec(a)osenergy.org; Bill DePaulo; Karen Grubb; Mike > Price; Sandra Cress; Allan Tweddle; Autumn; Barbara Fallon; Beth > Little; Dave Saville; Duane Nichols; Jim Kotcon; Kate Stone; Matt > Keller; Paul Wilson; Rory McIlmoil > *Subject:* Re: Bush at Greenbrier next Thursday to Speak about Coal > > > > Last year at the CTL Conference > (http://www.clean-coal.info/drupal/2007ctlconference) Bill Price from > Environmental Justice was involved with putting together an organized > protest that included a fly-over. Maybe he already has put together > something for the annual Coal Conference. I am adding him to this thread. > > Interesting to note that the interim President of WVU will be a > speaker, too, along with Bush, but no real surprise. > > -Jonathan > > Jim Sconyers wrote: > > We gotta be there! Can you come to the Greenbrier to protest against > Bush energy "policy," clean coal, coal, nuclear, ... and FOR clean > green energy? > > Does anyone have the schedule to know what time W is to be there? > > Can someone post this on friendly websites? > > > > Jim Sconyers > jim_scon(a)yahoo.com <mailto:jim_scon@yahoo.com> > 603.969.6712 > > Remember: Mother Nature bats last. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Regina Hendrix <regina1936(a)verizon.net> > <mailto:regina1936@verizon.net> > To: ec(a)osenergy.org <mailto:ec@osenergy.org> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:46:22 PM > Subject: [EC] [Fwd: Re: [fom] Bush Heading to WV to Speak about Coal] > > Oh, Oh, we don't need this. > > > > -----Inline Message Follows----- > > Subject: joy of joys....can we go protest??????? > To: Daniel Chiotos <trouserdude(a)gmail.com <mailto:trouserdude@gmail.com>> > > Daily Mail Business Editor > > President George W. Bush will speak at the West Virginia Coal > Association's annual meeting next Thursday at The Greenbrier Resort, > White House spokesman Blair Jones said today. > > "The president will talk about overall energy issues and the > importance of clean coal technologies and nuclear power technologies," > Jones said. > > Bill Raney, president of the West Virginia Coal Association, said > today, "We're so very honored that the President has chosen to come to > West Virginia and to the West Virginia Coal Association's meeting as > an opportunity to talk about energy and the needs we have and the > important part that West Virginia coal miners and coal mines play in > this nation's energy picture." > > The meeting will be July 31 through Aug. 3. Also scheduled to speak: > > * West Virginia University Interim President Peter Magrath. > > * Michael Morris, president and chief executive officer of American > Electric Power. > > * Jim Boyd of John T. Boyd Co. will discuss coal markets. John T. Boyd > Co. is a mining consulting company. > > * Hal Quinn, senior vice president of the National Mining Association, > will talk about national issues relating to coal. > > * Randy Huffman, secretary of the state Department of Environmental > Protection. > > * Homer Hickam, one of the original Rocket Boys and author of the > recently released book, "Red Helmet." > > Contact writer George Hohmann at busin...(a)dailymail.com > <http://dailymail.com/News/statenews/contact/ohfvarff+qnvylznvy+pbz+return=/…> > or 348-4836. > > > > Malyka Knapp-Smith > 907 Scenic Drive > Charleston WV 25311 > > Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! > www.seac.org/pledge <http://www.seac.org/pledge> > > Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! > http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 > > Sí Se Puede - Obama 08 > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > Daniel Chiotos > SEAC Appalachia Organizer > 1615 Franklin Ave , Apt D > Charleston , WV , 25311 > (304)886-3389 > {www.seac.org <http://www.seac.org/>} > > Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! > http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 > > > Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! > {www.seac.org/pledge <http://www.seac.org/pledge>} > > > "We may be poor but we are not for sale" > -Great Song > > > > > -- > My URL: myspace.com/coalriverpaul <http://myspace.com/coalriverpaul> > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > Here we go again, our health and mountains on the drawing board. > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Daniel Chiotos <danny(a)seac.org > <mailto:danny@seac.org>> wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Malyka Knapp-Smith* <mknappsmith(a)yahoo.com > <mailto:mknappsmith@yahoo.com>> > Date: Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:19 PM > Subject: joy of joys....can we go protest??????? > To: Daniel Chiotos <trouserdude(a)gmail.com <mailto:trouserdude@gmail.com>> > > Friday July 25, 2008 > > President George W. Bush headed to West Virginia > > He will speak about importance of coal in national energy future > > by George Hohmann > <http://dailymail.com/News/statenews/contact/ohfvarff+qnvylznvy+pbz+return=/…> > > Daily Mail Business Editor > > President George W. Bush will speak at the West Virginia Coal > Association's annual meeting next Thursday at The Greenbrier Resort, > White House spokesman Blair Jones said today. > > "The president will talk about overall energy issues and the > importance of clean coal technologies and nuclear power technologies," > Jones said. > > Bill Raney, president of the West Virginia Coal Association, said > today, "We're so very honored that the President has chosen to come to > West Virginia and to the West Virginia Coal Association's meeting as > an opportunity to talk about energy and the needs we have and the > important part that West Virginia coal miners and coal mines play in > this nation's energy picture." > > The meeting will be July 31 through Aug. 3. Also scheduled to speak: > > * West Virginia University Interim President Peter Magrath. > > * Michael Morris, president and chief executive officer of American > Electric Power. > > * Jim Boyd of John T. Boyd Co. will discuss coal markets. John T. Boyd > Co. is a mining consulting company. > > * Hal Quinn, senior vice president of the National Mining Association, > will talk about national issues relating to coal. > > * Randy Huffman, secretary of the state Department of Environmental > Protection. > > * Homer Hickam, one of the original Rocket Boys and author of the > recently released book, "Red Helmet." > > Contact writer George Hohmann at busin...(a)dailymail.com > <http://dailymail.com/News/statenews/contact/ohfvarff+qnvylznvy+pbz+return=/…> > or 348-4836. > > > > Malyka Knapp-Smith > 907 Scenic Drive > Charleston WV 25311 > > Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! > www.seac.org/pledge <http://www.seac.org/pledge> > > Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! > http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 > > Sí Se Puede - Obama 08 > > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > Daniel Chiotos > SEAC Appalachia Organizer > 1615 Franklin Ave , Apt D > Charleston , WV , 25311 > (304)886-3389 > {www.seac.org <http://www.seac.org/>} > > Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! > http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 > > > Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! > {www.seac.org/pledge <http://www.seac.org/pledge>} > > > "We may be poor but we are not for sale" > -Great Song > > > > > -- > My URL: myspace.com/coalriverpaul <http://myspace.com/coalriverpaul> > > > > > >

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Re: [EC] Bush at Greenbrier next Thursday to Speak about Coal
by Jim Sconyers 28 Jul '08

28 Jul '08

Can anyoe find out details - times, etc.? Jim Sconyers jim_scon(a)yahoo.com 603.969.6712 Remember: Mother Nature bats last. ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Price <bill.price(a)sierraclub.org> To: Jonathan Rosenbaum <freesource(a)cheat.org>; Jim Sconyers <jim_scon(a)yahoo.com> Cc: Regina Hendrix <regina1936(a)verizon.net>; ec(a)osenergy.org; Bill DePaulo <william.depaulo(a)gmail.com>; Karen Grubb <kgrubb(a)fairmontstate.edu>; Mike Price <greyhawkwv(a)Verizon.net>; Sandra Cress <sandra.cress(a)gmail.com>; Allan Tweddle <allantweddle(a)msn.com>; Autumn <blisssister(a)hotmail.com>; Barbara Fallon <brbr_fallon(a)yahoo.com>; Beth Little <blittle(a)citynet.net>; Dave Saville <daves(a)labyrinth.net>; Duane Nichols <duane330(a)aol.com>; Jim Kotcon <jkotcon(a)wvu.edu>; Kate Stone <klastone(a)cisunix.unh.edu>; Matt Keller <matt.keller(a)wvwild.org>; Paul Wilson <pjgrunt(a)lycos.com>; Rory McIlmoil <rorygep(a)gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:01:16 PM Subject: RE: Bush at Greenbrier next Thursday to Speak about Coal We just found out about this. If you guys want to organize something, I can see if coalfield groups want to plug into it. Bill Price, Sierra Club EJ Program 922 Quarrier Street, Suite 304 Charleston , WV 25311 Phone 304-342-3182 Cell 304-389-8822 Fax 304-342-3183 ________________________________ From:Jonathan Rosenbaum [mailto:freesource@cheat.org] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:40 PM To: Jim Sconyers; Bill Price Cc: Regina Hendrix; ec(a)osenergy.org; Bill DePaulo; Karen Grubb; Mike Price; Sandra Cress; Allan Tweddle; Autumn; Barbara Fallon; Beth Little; Dave Saville; Duane Nichols; Jim Kotcon; Kate Stone; Matt Keller; Paul Wilson; Rory McIlmoil Subject: Re: Bush at Greenbrier next Thursday to Speak about Coal Last year at the CTL Conference (http://www.clean-coal.info/drupal/2007ctlconference) Bill Price from Environmental Justice was involved with putting together an organized protest that included a fly-over. Maybe he already has put together something for the annual Coal Conference. I am adding him to this thread. Interesting to note that the interim President of WVU will be a speaker, too, along with Bush, but no real surprise. -Jonathan Jim Sconyers wrote: We gotta be there! Can you come to the Greenbrier to protest against Bush energy "policy," clean coal, coal, nuclear, ... and FOR clean green energy? Does anyone have the schedule to know what time W is to be there? Can someone post this on friendly websites? Jim Sconyers jim_scon(a)yahoo.com 603.969.6712 Remember: Mother Nature bats last. ----- Original Message ---- From: Regina Hendrix <regina1936(a)verizon.net> To: ec(a)osenergy.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:46:22 PM Subject: [EC] [Fwd: Re: [fom] Bush Heading to WV to Speak about Coal] Oh, Oh, we don't need this. -----Inline Message Follows----- Subject: joy of joys....can we go protest??????? To: Daniel Chiotos <trouserdude(a)gmail.com> Daily Mail Business Editor President George W. Bush will speak at the West Virginia Coal Association's annual meeting next Thursday at The Greenbrier Resort, White House spokesman Blair Jones said today. "The president will talk about overall energy issues and the importance of clean coal technologies and nuclear power technologies," Jones said. Bill Raney, president of the West Virginia Coal Association, said today, "We're so very honored that the President has chosen to come to West Virginia and to the West Virginia Coal Association's meeting as an opportunity to talk about energy and the needs we have and the important part that West Virginia coal miners and coal mines play in this nation's energy picture." The meeting will be July 31 through Aug. 3. Also scheduled to speak: * West Virginia University Interim President Peter Magrath. * Michael Morris, president and chief executive officer of American Electric Power. * Jim Boyd of John T. Boyd Co. will discuss coal markets. John T. Boyd Co. is a mining consulting company. * Hal Quinn, senior vice president of the National Mining Association, will talk about national issues relating to coal. * Randy Huffman, secretary of the state Department of Environmental Protection. * Homer Hickam, one of the original Rocket Boys and author of the recently released book, "Red Helmet." Contact writer George Hohmann at busin...(a)dailymail.com or 348-4836. Malyka Knapp-Smith 907 Scenic Drive Charleston WV 25311 Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! www.seac.org/pledge Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 Sí Se Puede - Obama 08 -- Cheers, Daniel Chiotos SEAC Appalachia Organizer 1615 Franklin Ave , Apt D Charleston , WV , 25311 (304)886-3389 {www.seac.org} Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! {www.seac.org/pledge} "We may be poor but we are not for sale" -Great Song -- My URL: myspace.com/coalriverpaul -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Here we go again, our health and mountains on the drawing board. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Daniel Chiotos <danny(a)seac.org> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Malyka Knapp-Smith <mknappsmith(a)yahoo.com> Date: Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:19 PM Subject: joy of joys....can we go protest??????? To: Daniel Chiotos <trouserdude(a)gmail.com> Friday July 25, 2008 President George W. Bush headed to West Virginia He will speak about importance of coal in national energy future by George Hohmann Daily Mail Business Editor President George W. Bush will speak at the West Virginia Coal Association's annual meeting next Thursday at The Greenbrier Resort, White House spokesman Blair Jones said today. "The president will talk about overall energy issues and the importance of clean coal technologies and nuclear power technologies," Jones said. Bill Raney, president of the West Virginia Coal Association, said today, "We're so very honored that the President has chosen to come to West Virginia and to the West Virginia Coal Association's meeting as an opportunity to talk about energy and the needs we have and the important part that West Virginia coal miners and coal mines play in this nation's energy picture." The meeting will be July 31 through Aug. 3. Also scheduled to speak: * West Virginia University Interim President Peter Magrath. * Michael Morris, president and chief executive officer of American Electric Power. * Jim Boyd of John T. Boyd Co. will discuss coal markets. John T. Boyd Co. is a mining consulting company. * Hal Quinn, senior vice president of the National Mining Association, will talk about national issues relating to coal. * Randy Huffman, secretary of the state Department of Environmental Protection. * Homer Hickam, one of the original Rocket Boys and author of the recently released book, "Red Helmet." Contact writer George Hohmann at busin...(a)dailymail.com or 348-4836. Malyka Knapp-Smith 907 Scenic Drive Charleston WV 25311 Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! www.seac.org/pledge Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 Sí Se Puede - Obama 08 -- Cheers, Daniel Chiotos SEAC Appalachia Organizer 1615 Franklin Ave , Apt D Charleston , WV , 25311 (304)886-3389 {www.seac.org} Support the Coal River Wind Campaign - Sign It! http://www.coalriverwind.org/?page_id=28 Power Vote Pledge for Clean & Just Energy - Sign It! {www.seac.org/pledge} "We may be poor but we are not for sale" -Great Song -- My URL: myspace.com/coalriverpaul

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Re: [EC] WV Gazette Article on Trail and Path
by Jim Sconyers 28 Jul '08

28 Jul '08

Check this out for a hilarious look at the deadly serious energy crisis. http://nozzlerage.com/ Jim Sconyers jim_scon(a)yahoo.com 603.969.6712 Remember: Mother Nature bats last.

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Re: [EC] USACE Pub. Notice 2007-134-GAU
by Regina Hendrix 28 Jul '08

28 Jul '08

Thank you, Margaret. I wondered why those lists starting showing up in the Corps mailings. Margaret Janes wrote: > Hi Regina - Once we get through the oral arguments in the 4th circuit it > will be several months to the decision - perhaps early 2009. Until that > time WVDEP will issued SMCRA and NPDES permits - Chambers decision will have > no direct influence on that. In order to start mining, however, companies > generally will need to build sediment ponds first and they can't do that > without a 404 permit. At this point because a few months ago Judge Chambers > ordered the Corps to notify us immediately if they issue permits - we know > what is issued pretty much in real time. You may also have noticed that the > Corps is now issuing weekly notices on what individual permits they are > issuing (after violating regulations on notification for many years). So if > the Corps issues permits between now and the decision we could add them to > the Chambers case. There are now 14 mines involved in the case in one way > or the other. Margaret > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Regina Hendrix [mailto:regina1936@verizon.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:22 PM > To: Margaret Janes > Cc: All of FOM list; ec(a)osenergy.org > Subject: USACE Pub. Notice 2007-134-GAU > > Margaret, I just got the Corps' notice on a project at the Muddlety > Surface Mine No. 1, pending permit number S-3004-07, in Nicholas County > on Muddlety Creek, a tributary of the Gauley. They also reference the > NPDES Permit WV1022229. Every time I get one of these notices I'm > traumatized. > > I've added the FOM list and Sierra Club's energy committee as cc's > because I'm probably not the only one who'd like an update on our case > in the 4th Circuit. > > Also, I'm hoping you will give us a short update on where this project > on the Gauley stands, i.e., is this project on hold until we get a > decision in the 4th Circuit? (They mention proposed Valley Fills 1 and > 2.) In this instance would the NPDES permit be on hold also? > > Thanks, once again, for sharing your knowledge of these proposed and > accomplished criminal acts. > > Regina Hendrix > > > > > >

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