This comes from the American Wind Energy Association- the equivalent of the
National Coal Association.
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"In terms of land use, those 583,000 turbines would take up about the total
land mass of Rhode Island, Hensley says, because wind projects typically
require 0.74 acres of land per megawatt produced."
http://www.businessinsider.com/wind-turbines-to-power-earth-2016-9
I had not seen this one before. The smoothed temperature data does tend to obscure annual variation, but it makes the point.
JBK
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Subject: [lawpa] When someone tells you, “The climate is always changing,” show them this cartoon
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Thanks Elizabeth
PLEASE FORWARD!
When someone tells you, “The climate is always changing,” show them this cartoon<http://grist.org/science/when-someone-tells-you-the-climate-is-always-chang…>
<http://grist.org/science/when-someone-tells-you-the-climate-is-always-chang…>
When someone tells you, “The climate is always changing,” show them this ca...
File away under: Things To Show Climate Denying Relatives on Thanksgiving.
[http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/earth_temperature_timeline.png]
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Article from the Wheeling paper on the visit to Morgantown of US Energy Secretary Moniz. They are worried because 80 % of US coal generation is form plants that are at least 30 years old, and by 2030, they will be really old. Speakers suggest coal companies will need to build their own plants to keep utilities from switching to gas.
http://www.theintelligencer.net/news/top-headlines/2016/09/mckinley-manchin…
JBK
Does anyone else think that FE is a money-grubbing bunch of losers? Or are they just desperate? See story below.
JBK
FirstEnergy Corp., Ohio's homegrown utility with roots in the state that date to 1930, wants its customers to pay to ensure it stays there.
In the latest twist in a two-year battle for aid, the company has asked regulators to approve as much as $568 million a year for eight years in customer surcharges to compensate for the economic impact of having its headquarters in Akron.
FirstEnergy is among utilities across the U.S. struggling amid flat demand and low power prices bought on by cheap natural gas, and growing supplies of solar and wind energy.
That hasn't swayed manufacturers, consumer advocates and environmental groups who said they were left flabbergasted by the proposed hike.
"When they first told me that was in there, I thought it was a joke," said Eric Burkland, the president of the Ohio Manufacturers' Association, which opposes the fee increase. "From a manufacturing ratepayer's perspective, it's just bizarre."
See full story at:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-29/firstenergy-says-its-head…
This is from a thread on the Sierra Club's FRED list that asks whether we
support a carbon tax. Ned Ford is one of the most informed experts on
energy that I know in the Club. Below he discusses why a carbon tax
proposals are a disruption and will not happen fast enough.
Enjoy.
JBK
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From: Ned Ford <Ned.Ford(a)fuse.net>
Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [GW-ACT-LEADERS] Sierra Club position on carbon fee and
dividend proposal to put a price on carbon?
To: CONS-SPST-GLOBALWARM-CHAIRS(a)lists.sierraclub.org
I have spent many years trying to explain why carbon taxes are not going to
be a big part of the picture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxryv2XrnqM is about disruptive technology
and it disrupts my own thinking even though I have been following most of
the trends he speaks about for many years. In short we don't need carbon
taxes because the technologies are producing the price differential more
effectively than a tax could.
That flies in the face of the often-repeated claim that carbon taxes are
more efficient or better than other strategies. What those people usually
mean is that carbon taxes are better than command and control. We haven't
used command and control for the major pollutants for several decades, so
it's a false premise.
What carbon tax advocates neglect is the huge differential between the
effect of a price on carbon on coal, and the same price's impact on
petroleum or natural gas. We seriously could use a natural gas or
petroleum tax. But it would have to be absurdly large as a tax on carbon,
compared to the price needed to end coal. About ten times larger. It
would be easy enough to separate the fuels and have different tax rates,
but the discussion never gets that far.
The fact of the matter is that carbon reductions are happening because
efficiency and wind and solar are cheaper. The more we use those three
technologies to address coal and natural gas generation, the lower the
prices and the faster the process. We are at a point today where an EV
costs a third or less than a gasoline car to drive any distance, and the
price differential will get greater. So we need a lot more clean
electricity than the nation is presently expecting to need, if just
replacing the current fuel mix (including the nuclear plants that can't run
forever) is the target. About 40% more total electricity by 2040.
If you view the link above you will understand how narrowly I'm talking
about the coming changes. Disruptive energy changes affect everything we
do. But the most important thing we can do is to concentrate on direct
state level activism to remove obstructionists from the path of efficiency,
wind and solar. Utility scale solar must come before distributed solar,
even though in ten years we may see the order of priorities change to
solar, wind and efficiency. If that happens, as Mr. Seba says, it won't be
purely economic. Or at least it won't be purely economic as we think about
it because people will be factoring in their convenience as a "cost" where
no dollars are involved. This means we probably won't ever become truly
efficient. But at the same time, efficiency in some form is driving every
single one of the technological disruptions he identifies and many more
that he doesn't.
I hope the Sierra Club ignores carbon taxes. Even if the Republicans are
demolished in ten weeks we can use the opportunity far better to remove
barriers to efficiency and to speed development of cost-effective wind and
solar than to spend another decade trying to get a tax package into
position that really works.
- Ned
On 8/22/2016 12:44 PM, Carolyn Amparan wrote:
Hello,
Does anyone know the Sierra Club's position on the Citizen Climate's Lobby
carbon fee and dividend proposal? If so, what is the status on the
specific proposal and a price on carbon in general?
I found there was a resolution considered in 2013 but have not found
anything more current on the national website.
Thanks,
Carolyn
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This is an obscure but incredibly important court victory, supporting DOE calculations of a "Social Cost of Carbon".
JBK
"...In a unanimous decision<http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/rssExec.pl?Submit=Display&Path=Y2016/…> late Monday, the Chicago-based 7th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals rejected an industry-backed request to overturn a 2014 rule that set energy efficiency standards for commercial refrigerators.
In doing so, the court specifically backed the so-called social cost of carbon, President Obama’s administration-wide estimate of the costs per metric ton of carbon dioxide emitted into the atmosphere — currently $36...."
Full story at:
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/290859-court-backs-obamas-clim…
This is a fairly lengthy article, but the last sentence of the excerpt below says it all. Translation: "Screw the rate payer!"
Full story at:
http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news-business/20160805/firstenergy-loses-11b-m…
After announcing a quarterly loss of $1.1 billion<https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1031296/000103129616000101/ex991fe-…> because of the future closures of two uncompetitive coal-fired power plants in Ohio, FirstEnergy says it will seek to "de-risk" by pushing plants onto electricity customers in states like West Virginia.
Charles Jones, CEO of FirstEnergy, the parent company of MonPower and Potomac Edison, announced in an earnings call <https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3005292-First-Energy-Earnings-Call-…> on July 29 that the coal-heavy utility would seek to remove itself completely from the competitive energy business and, in the meantime, would try to offload plants to regulated markets, where the company is guaranteed a profit.
"Longer-term, we do not believe competitive generation is a good fit for FirstEnergy and we are focused on regulated operations," Jones said. "We cannot put investors and our company at risk."
Jim Kotcon