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FutureGen coal gasification
by Duane330＠aol.com 07 Dec '05

07 Dec '05

Energy Department Teams With Consortium .............. to Build Model 'Clean-Coal' Plant By JOHN J. FIALKA, Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, December 6, 2005; Page A2 WASHINGTON -- The Department of Energy has signed an agreement with an international consortium to build a $950 million prototype for a new generation of coal-fired power plants that remove pollutants including carbon dioxide and produce hydrogen as well as electricity. The plant, called FutureGen, is scheduled to be built by 2012. If it works, it will further one of the Bush administration's main policy goals: to reduce reliance on imported oil and natural gas by using technology to clean up and increase the use of coal, a fuel the U.S. has in abundance. The agency is set today to announce that a group of eight companies, including major coal and electricity producers, will contribute $250 million toward the project. The plant will produce 250 megawatts of electricity -- the output of a medium-sized power plant -- as well as hydrogen, which could be sold to power future cars and trucks or sent to oil refineries to upgrade petroleum products. And some of the pollutants removed from the coal, which would be gasified, may also be sold as byproducts, according to the agency. Sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides, which cause acid rain and urban smog, can be turned into fertilizers and "soil enhancers," the department stated. The plant will separate carbon dioxide, a gas thought to be one of the major causes of global warming, and inject it into deep underground rock formations. The project will test it to determine if it will remain there indefinitely.< "No other power plant in the world has been built with this capability," says a draft version of the department's announcement, expected today. The companies backing the project, called the FutureGen Industrial Alliance, will pick a site to construct the facility by 2007. The department's goal is to capture 90% of the plant's carbon dioxide once it begins operation and later raise that to 100% using "advanced technologies." DOE projections estimate the plant's cost of cleaning up coal and burying the carbon dioxide will add only about 10% to today's electricity prices. Members of the alliance are American Electric Power, of Columbus, Ohio; Southern Co., of Atlanta; Consol Energy Inc., of Pittsburgh; Foundation Coal, of Linthicum Heights, Md.; Kennecott Energy, of Gillette, Wyo.; Peabody Energy Corp., of St. Louis; China Huaneng Group, of Beijing; and BHP Billiton Ltd., of Melbourne, Australia. China Huaneng is China's largest producer of coal-fired power. BHP Billiton is a major Australian coal producer. Both countries, like the U.S., have huge reserves of coal and depend on them to produce most of their electricity. The technique of gasifying coal has been known and used for decades. The Carter administration launched a $1 billion program in the late 1970s to build a plant near Beulah, N.D., that was designed to produce synthetic methane, a form of natural gas, out of cheap lignite coal. The plant, described as a "coal refinery," was sold by the Reagan administration to a local electric-power company in 1988, when it failed to produce a product that could compete economically with natural gas. The FutureGen plant, according to DOE officials, will "leapfrog" that plant's technology by using less-expensive processes that produce hydrogen to make electricity or to sell as fuel. It will also feature newer and cheaper ways to separate carbon dioxide from other byproducts.

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Minutes of Dec. 5th Meeting
by Duane330＠aol.com 07 Dec '05

07 Dec '05

Minutes Mon Valley Clean Air Coalition (MVCAC) December 5, 2005 The MVCAC met on Monday, December 5 at the Prete Building on University Avenue with 11 members and two guests in attendance. Duane began the meeting by handing out a brochure that was created for the Cheat Lake Environment and Recreation Association (CLEAR) by John Gever and Cliff Harvey. Both John and Cliff attended the meeting. Duane suggested that John and Cliff develop a brochure for MVCAC. John suggested that we decide on a focus for the brochure (e.g., education). Duane recommended that we put some information together and then give it to John and Cliff to develop a "draft" brochure. The group agreed that this was a good idea. We have sent a letter to the Public Service Commission (PSC) requesting to be interveners in the application for a transmission line certificate by Longview Power. Although the PSC has not yet responded, Phil does not anticipate that this request will be denied. Duane suggested that we needed some experts to provide testimony, and Phil stated that would be good if they are recognized experts. Phil will compile a list of questions and send it to the lawyer for Allegheny Power (Allegheny will also be an intervener). Jarrett mentioned that Longview will require a switchyard, and it was not clear who would pay for this. Duane reported that Jarrett's appeal of Longview's air quality permit is being taken to the WV Supreme Court by Mary Ann Maul. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is allowing Longview to build its proposed stack, despite the fact that its height exceeds FAA guidelines. We could appeal this decision, but Mary Ann Maul has suggested that we do not have the time or resources. Jarrett will work with Patrick McGinley at the Law School to use FOIA to obtain documents from the FAA related to this decision. So far, the FAA has not responded to either Jarrett's or Duane's attempts to obtain these documents under FOIA. Jarrett is continuing to monitor Longview's attempts to obtain a storm water permit. The permit must be awarded to the plant owner, however, it is unlikely that Longview will actually own the plant at any time. The PSC has scheduled a hearing on the proposed scrubbers for the Ft. Martin plant on February 22, 2006. Billy Jack Gregg, the consumer advocate, hired a consultant to study the issue. The consultant recommended that some administrative and other costs of the scrubber project come from Allegheny, so that not all of the cost is passed on to the public. The consultant made other important recommendations regarding the procedures to be required of Allegheny Energy. It was decided that MVCAC would support the scrubber project under the strict conditions recommended by the consultant. We are still trying to arrange for air quality monitoring in Mon County. It does not appear that Boggs Environmental will be able to help us any time soon. Deb spoke with someone at DEP who said he would be happy to give us a tour of the monitor at the airport. Deb also stated that the Sundogs program is being launched at Cheat Lake Middle School in the next few weeks. Cindy is working on trying to get us a spot at the annual Health Fair to be held early next year, perhaps by mid February. She suggested that it would be nice to have the brochures completed by that time. John Gever brought up the issue of non-point sources of pollution, such as cars. He suggested that MVCAC become more involved with the Morgantown Transportation Organization. Bobby Mitchell asked whether we might want to become more involved in the effort to re-route truck traffic around town. The group agreed that these were both good suggestions. Duane will work on bringing Bobby together with Bob Bastress, since Bob has taken an interest in the legal aspects of this issue. Others were invited to work on this issue, particularly with City Council. The PSC continues to work on the rules for noise control of electrical power generators through the Noise Task Force that it developed. Duane, Bill and Jarrett went to the first meeting of the task force in Charleston. At that time, the chair of the task force asked that a noise expert be retained to study the issue. The PSC is currently looking for such an expert. Deb reported that we currently have $3,500. Duane suggested that this be the last general meeting of 2005 and that the next meeting be held in mid January. Respectfully submitted: Linda Shuster, December 6, 2005. NOTE from Jim Kotcon.......... Buried in a story on Health cost for PEIA in today’s Gazette: Other legislative priorities, Manchin said, will include continuing to pursue a more businesslike approach to running state government, including restructuring agencies and developing multiyear projections for state revenues and spending. Governor Manchin said he also is determined to bring a coal gasification plant to the state. “We can do it in a cleaner, healthier environment,” he said. “We know we can * the technology is there, and it’s only getting better.”

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Wyona Coleman obituary
by Dennis and Marcia Groce 03 Dec '05

03 Dec '05

Friends - Following is Wyona Coleman's obituary from the Washington Observer-Reporter. As indicated below, Wyona had been a leading environmentalist in Pennsylvania for more than 30 years, doing some of her most significant work on coal mining issues. You may recall that her husband Phil, past chair of the Sierra PA Chapter, has spoken eloquently and effectively at some of the Longview meetings and hearings. Phil is also one of the appellants in the Greene County case we are now pursuing. Wyona Coleman, environmentalist from West Brownsville, dies at 73 <mailto:jrichard@observer-reporter.com>John Richards Staff writer Longtime environmentalist Wyona Coleman, a founding member of Tri-State Citizens Mining Network, died Tuesday at age 73. In the 1970s, Coleman championed the cause of coalfield residents left helpless by an unregulated strip mining industry with little regard for the environment. Coleman and other activists helped in the development of the federal Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act. Coleman was present in the White House Rose Garden Aug. 3, 1977, when President Jimmy Carter signed the act into law. "She was very much a part of that effort," said Beverly Braverman, chairwoman of Tri-State and a friend and colleague of Coleman's for the past 11 years. "She identified where there was a huge need for people to take a stand and she was not afraid to take a stand." In recent years, Coleman, a West Brownsville resident, focused her attention on longwall coal mining, serving as mining chairwoman for the Pennsylvania chapter of the Sierra Club. She was very active in establishing the organization's Harrisburg office, according to Jeff Schmidt, director of the Sierra Club's state chapter. "Without her involvement we probably wouldn't be working as hard on mining issues," Schmidt said. "She touched a lot of people's lives in a very positive way. She was a force to be reckoned with. And at a time when there weren't a lot of women in the environmental movement in the 1970s." Her determination, relentlessness and passion inspired a younger generation of environmental activists, Braverman said. "Wyona had perseverance in a war that has always been truly difficult. I think just the length of her battle from the 1970s to the current time was an example for newer activists," she said. "One of the things I think she really stood for is you better know that this is going to be a long fight and you better be willing to put in the time and energy and the passion." Among that younger generation is Tri-State administrative director Mimi Filippelli. "She really has been a mentor to many of us younger people who've gotten involved in the movement," Filippelli said. Coleman's ability to influence and incite people to become involved in environmental issues, especially mining issues, was her strong suit, she said. "She was a true environmentalist," said Betsy Mallison, spokeswoman for the state Department of Environmental Protection. "She had the citizens' interests at heart... and certainly we'll miss her input." Among her many accomplishments, Coleman served on the DEP Solid Waste Advisory Committee and helped to negotiate an amendment to provide water replacement, water supply and repairs to structures damaged by longwall mining, Mallison said. Coleman was a driving force behind stricter regulations to protect streams and wetlands from longwall mines, which have drained water wells, streams and wetlands. Under an agreement with the federal Office of Surface Mining, the DEP on Oct. 8 upgraded its water regulations to align coal mining to the same rules that apply to surface industries and construction projects. "As a result of her involvement, the law that is on the books is much stronger than it otherwise would have been," Schmidt said. A 1954 journalism graduate of Southern Illinois University, Coleman worked as a reporter and editor for the Champaign--Urbana Courier, then as an environmentalist. She and her husband, Philip Coleman, moved to the Mon Valley in 1969, where she became librarian at the California Public Library, later serving as library director until her retirement in 2000. Surviving are her husband and her sons, Philip and David Coleman, and daughter Sydney Coleman. A memorial service will be held at 2 p.m. Saturday at California Public Library. In lieu of flowers, the family requests donations to California Public Library, 100 Wood St., California, PA 15419 or the Pennsylvania chapter of the Sierra Club, P.O. Box 663, Harrisburg, PA 17108. Those wishing to send condolences can reach the family at 551 Pittsburgh Road, West Brownsville, PA 15417.

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Meeting: Monday, Dec. 5th @ 7 pm
by Duane330＠aol.com 01 Dec '05

01 Dec '05

Greetings. December is here!!! This is to confirm our MVCAC group meeting for this coming Monday, December 5th, at 7 pm. [John Gever plans to attend, to propose an additional (color) hand-out.] Location: Prete Building. Please use the next to last entrance on the North Side. NOTE: The Prete Building is located on the right side of University Avenue, in the second block after Patterson Drive when headed toward Star City. It's in the 3000 or 3100 block. [I rented a house at 3041 University Avenue for three years starting in 1968, a red brick house owned by a local barber turned developer named Ray DeAngelis. The old red brick house was razed, and now there is a professional building carrying the same address 3041. (We had a fenced back-yard for two daughters, Tanya and Tracy and their dog Tippy.) We had quite a fight over whether the Prete Building would ever be built in the then existing residential neighborhood. Now Jim Prete plans to add another building.]

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CO2 Sequestration in WV
by duane330＠aol.com 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

November 25, 2005 U.S. Digs Deep to Solve Emissions Problem The Future of Carbon-Dioxide Storage Might Lie Under West Virginia By JOHN J. FIALKA Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL November 25, 2005; Page A4 Delegates attending next week's international climate-change conference in Montreal will attack the U.S. for pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol, which mandates steep cuts in greenhouse gases. Bush administration officials will respond that they are doing more than critics realize, but the real action lies deep beneath the surface -- in some cases almost two miles straight down. The White House sees technological progress, more than regulation, as the key to limiting carbon dioxide and other emissions believed to cause global warming. A centerpiece of its effort is a 9,200-foot-deep hole in the ground in New Haven, W.Va. The hole, drilled next to a coal-fired power plant, marks the beginning of a Department of Energy experiment to see if CO2 can be safely injected into deep salt water-laden rock formations, where, experts hope, it will be trapped for thousands of years. It's one of seven projects in a $100 million, seven-year federal effort to figure out whether the method of CO2 burial works. "We wouldn't be doing this if we weren't serious," Samuel W. Bodman, secretary of Energy, often explains in defending the Bush Administration's approach to climate change. In addition to the U.S., at least 17 industrial nations and several big energy companies are exploring this process, known as "sequestration." A recent United Nations report said carbon storage techniques could play an important role in limiting greenhouse gas emissions. Carbon-storage is a particularly appealing option for heavy coal-using countries, mainly China, India, and the U.S., which see it as perhaps less threatening to their economic futures than other strategies, such as energy conservation or large-scale conversion to solar and wind power. Storing carbon is a significant piece of President Bush's alternative to Kyoto. Mr. Bush's alternative is a plan to reduce the intensity of U.S. CO2 emissions, measured against economic output, by 18% by 2012. It is linked to another Bush effort, a government-industry initiative to build a prototype for a new generation of clean-burning coal-fired power plants. Beyond those plans, the administration hopes that its incentives for nuclear power, including a new prototype nuclear reactor, will also help cut future CO2 emissions. One goal of the West Virginia experiment is to give Congress and the White House an estimate of how much consumers' electric bills will rise by adding this extra step to generating coal-fired electric power. "This is not going to be free," warns Scott M. Klara, manager of the DOE's sequestration program. The technology exists today to remove CO2 from power plant emissions and pump it into the ground, but in some cases it could raise the cost of electricity by as much as 100%, Mr. Klara explains. The injection program hopes to find ways to push the cost increase down as low as 10% by 2012. Oil companies in Texas and Oklahoma have years of experience injecting CO2 into the ground to stimulate oil production, so pumping it into the newly drilled hole will be the easy part of the experiment. The harder part, Mr. Klara notes, will be figuring out where the CO2 goes amid the complex geology underlying West Virginia. "We have all sorts of tools that, basically, use sound waves and electrical resistance," he explains, to monitor the path of the injected gas, which will be in liquid form because of the pressure at that depth. "It will be something like looking at the sonogram of a baby." Computer models of the underground reservoir predict the gas will be trapped for at least 5,000 years. The utility industry must invest billions of dollars on new power plants that may some day face CO2 regulation. American Electric Power Co., which owns the New Haven plant, plans to build two new coal-fired power plants within the next five years that gasify coal before it is burned. The design makes it cheaper to separate and then bury CO2 emissions. Then, if regulation happens, explains Pat Hemlepp, the company's spokesman, "we won't have to be retrofitting." The odd image of a power plant with a drilling rig boring a hole next to it, he thinks, may become a more familiar and necessary sight in coal country. CO2 disposal may be cheaper in other regions. In southern Illinois, southwestern Indiana and western Kentucky, for example, there are hundreds of old oil wells dug into reservoirs that stopped producing years ago. "We're excited about the prospect that we can get more oil out of these old reservoirs," explains Robert Finley, director of an Illinois state agency that is working with the U.S. Department of Energy on a CO2 injection experiment there. Unlike Texas, where natural CO2 deposits are cheap and available, oilmen in Illinois couldn't inject it into reservoirs to push up more oil because they had no local sources of it. But now they do, explains Mr. Finley, who says his projects will inject CO2 purchased from two new ethanol plants, which generate the gas as part of the process of turning corn into a gasoline additive. Profits from increased oil output, he thinks, could help offset the eventual costs of piping CO2 from power plants to areas where more oil might be produced. In the Southwest, over a thousand miles of CO2 pipelines already serve oil fields, explains Brian McPherson, a professor at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, which is a partner in another Energy Department experiment to use CO2 to enhance recovery from oil and gas fields in Utah. "If we were to use this system and substitute power plant CO2, it would go a long way to reducing U.S. emissions," he explains. The southwestern CO2 pipelines, he thinks, could serve as a prototype for a national system of piping power plant CO2, once the economic and technical hurdles are overcome. However, Canada is more likely to develop such a system first. "We think you are going to see this happen because it can achieve big [CO2 reduction] numbers and will be able to achieve them at reasonable costs," predicts Malcolm A. Wilson, program director for a Canadian government/industry CO2 injection experiment at Weyburn, Saskatchewan. At Weyburn, which is the prototype for the U.S. experiments, technicians are injecting 5,000 tons of CO2 every day to improve the production of older oil wells. The gas is piped from an experimental U.S. coal gasification power plant in North Dakota and technicians and scientists from the U.S., Canada and 16 other nations have deployed an elaborate series of monitors to see whether any of the gas leaks back out of the ground. So far, it hasn't. "I believe we can design subsurface systems that are going to be essentially leak free," explains Mr. Wilson, a geologist. "You're talking huge investments," he notes, but adds that the cost of burying CO2 may prove to be cheaper in the long run than the cost of scaling up alternatives to oil and coal-fired power, such as solar and wind power.

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General Meeting: Dec. 5th
by Duane330＠aol.com 21 Nov '05

21 Nov '05

Greetings to all........... A general meeting has been set for Monday, December 5th, at 7 pm. We are making final arrangements to have this meeting in the Prete Building, in the 3000 block of University Avenue in Suncrest. A number of important agenda items are at hand....... 1. Longview application for transmission line 2. Ft. Martin power plant scrubber financing scheme 3. Proposed power plant construction projects in nearby PA 4. Local air monitoring options for Monongalia County 5. Brochures and other educational and publicity activities. 6. Do you have other topics........... health effects.....

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AE scrubbers
by Duane330＠aol.com 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

Scrubbers in the works for power station By Bob Niedbala, Staff writer, Observer-Reporter, Washington, PA November 9, 2005 Allegheny Energy Inc. is developing plans to install scrubbers at its Hatfield's Ferry Power Station and if everything goes as planned, the company could have the equipment in place by 2010. In a presentation to investors Tuesday, Paul J. Evanson, chairman, president and chief executive officer of the company, said the utility has talked to contractors about starting permitting requirements for scrubbers at the Monongahela Township plant. The company expects to make a formal announcement regarding the project during the first quarter of the year, Evanson said. The company in recent years has come under fire for emissions from Hatfield's Ferry. Citizens for Pennsylvania's Future filed suit against the company in January claiming the company failed to address Clean Air Act violations at the plant. The plant also was targeted in June 2004 by Greenpeace activists who climbed one of the plant's two smoke stacks and unfurled a 2,500 square-foot banner. Scrubbers help remove sulfur dioxide and other contaminants from power plant emissions. The equipment is expensive, estimated to cost about $400 million at Hatfield's Ferry, Evanson said in an Internet broadcast to investors. The company had attempted to obtain financial assistance from the state and federal governments to help offset the costs of the scrubbers. "But it's been an uphill battle and to no avail," Evanson said. The most the company can expect is tax-exempt financing for the project, he said. "The good news is, because of the financial condition we're in, we believe we have more than enough cash flow and capacity to do these on our own," Evanson said. The company suffered losses in 2003 and 2004 but began experiencing a turnaround this year. If everything goes as planned, Evanson said, scrubbers could be in place at Hatfield's Ferry by 2010 if not 2009. The company also is moving ahead with plans to install scrubbers at its Fort Martin Power Station in Monongalia County, W.Va. The West Virginia legislature approved a bill in the spring allowing the company to surcharge customers to help cover the costs. The electric industry remains regulated in West Virginia, which offered the opportunity for the utility to seek money for the project from rate payers through a surcharge. The same could probably not be done in Pennsylvania, where the electric industry is deregulated.

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RE: [BULK] - [MVCAC] New coal-fired power plants
by Kotcon, James 02 Nov '05

02 Nov '05

This listing does not include the GenPower facility in McDowell County or Gov. Manchin's "Coal Conversion" plants announced last month. The McDowell County facility is contingent on AEP completing a transmission line which is apparently now under construction, so McDowell may come alive next year. It also lists the AEP IGCC facility as being in either WV or Ohio, but my understanding is that is currently committed to Ohio (although AEP has hinted at building a second facility in WV). On the other hand, they now list the Longview plant as operational in 2010. The earliest version of this listing I saw in 2003 suggested Longview would be operational by 2007, so my congratulations to you all for the three years of victory we have so far experienced. JBK Dr. James Kotcon Interim Program Leader - Organic Agriculture USDA-CSREES Mailstop 2220, Washington, DC 20250 phone: 202-401-4879 Cell: 304-319-2244 fax: 202-401-4888 for overnight carrier: 800 9th St., SW, Room 3344 Washington, DC 20024 -----Original Message----- From: mvcac-bounces(a)cheat.org [mailto:mvcac-bounces@cheat.org] On Behalf Of paula - pj - hunt Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:41 PM To: mvcac(a)cheat.org Subject: [BULK] - [MVCAC] New coal-fired power plants Below is a link to a very readable (i.e. mostly cartoons/pictures) report on the resurgence of coal-fired power generation in the US. It includes simple maps and tables. Illinois has 13 plants on the drawing board, and Kentucky has 8. WV has 4 (including Longview), and PA has 7 (plus one that has been cancelled). The Department of Energy's National Energy Technology Laboratory (NETL) tracks new/planned plants and is supposed to update this link every few months. This latest report is dated yesterday: http://www.netl.doe.gov/coal/refshelf/ncp.pdf -- Paula Paula Hunt Citizens for Alternatives to Longview Power (CALP) www.nolongview.org _______________________________________________ MVCAC mailing list MVCAC(a)cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/mvcac

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New coal-fired power plants
by paula - pj - hunt 02 Nov '05

02 Nov '05

Below is a link to a very readable (i.e. mostly cartoons/pictures) report on the resurgence of coal-fired power generation in the US. It includes simple maps and tables. Illinois has 13 plants on the drawing board, and Kentucky has 8. WV has 4 (including Longview), and PA has 7 (plus one that has been cancelled). The Department of Energy's National Energy Technology Laboratory (NETL) tracks new/planned plants and is supposed to update this link every few months. This latest report is dated yesterday: http://www.netl.doe.gov/coal/refshelf/ncp.pdf -- Paula Paula Hunt Citizens for Alternatives to Longview Power (CALP) www.nolongview.org

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Longview heats up: Paula needs YOU on Oct 24th
by paula - pj - hunt 19 Oct '05

19 Oct '05

Hi Everyone, Longview is heating up again and it is time to rally the troops! The next regularly scheduled Mon Valley Clean Air Coalition (MVCAC) meeting on Monday October 24th 6:30 ish will really be a short letter-writing/socializing gathering at Martha and Larry Schwab's house in Suncrest (directions below). Duane is out of town and he left me in charge. Yep, CALP is gearing up again. Longview has filed its transmission-line permit application with the WV Public Service Commission (PSC) and we only have until early November to write comment/protest letters and request a public hearing in Morgantown. The letters will be short and simple. I'll have my letter to the PSC as a sample, as well as a list of major points, so you can easily and quickly craft your own letter. We'll have pens, paper, envelopes, stamps, and something light to eat and drink, so if you come straight from work, you won't starve. You may want to bring your favorite pen and paper, if you have such a thing, and something hard to write on (like a clipboard or magazine or something), since there will likely not be enough table space for all of us. Come around 6:30 if you want to eat. If you have never been to a meeting, or haven't been for a while, this is an excellent opportunity to meet people, eat something, and do something concrete to help get rid of Longview. Plus Larry and Martha are super-nice people and have a really cool house. See ya there! Paula 692-7588 (PS If you are feeling e-mail fatigue, you can log into this listserv and change your settings to receive messages in digest mode (one e mail with all messages daily, if there are messages). You'll need your name and password to do this. These are mailed to you once per month from mailman-owner(a)cheat.org Thanks to Jonathan for the list!! Directions (map below, if I can get this to work right): Address: 3333 Collins Ferry Road, the last driveway on the left before Aspen if you are coming from Morgantown, or coming from Star City, it is the first driveway on the right past Aspen St. To get to Collins Ferry Rd, take University Ave toward Star City. University splits into University and Collins Ferry just past the Eckard drug store (Morgantown side) or Bi-Lo grocery store (coming from Star City) There is a high hedge along the road, so you cannot see the house from the street. There is a really small sign with 3333 and maybe a sign with other addresses (more than one house is on the drive). Larry and Martha's house is the first house closest to Collins Ferry Rd (big white farm house). Park angled against the garage, or along the driveway. Their phone number is 598-0241. My (Paula's) cell number is 692-7588 Please call me if you need better directions or want to carpool with someone. 116744d.jpg

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