Wow.<br><br>I had problems w/ the whole, &quot;speed limit is X but usually it is faster&quot;, like that&#39;s just peachy-keen and everything.<br>And there are a fair number of No Parking signs near the top, which of course, get ignored when there are &quot;special events&quot;.  How convenient.<br>


<br>I like most of the suggestions that go against Mr. Hudson.<br><br>I don&#39;t want a bike lane.<br>If I choose to go up the Blvd I can, as per my wish ride on the shoulder or take the lane going up, and most likely just take the lane on the way down.<br>


Those grates on the way down are deadly.  And deadly stupid that someone signed off on them being that way.<br><br>Oh, and you guys sure do use some silly fonts.<br>Guess it&#39;s a way to amuse yourself whilst at work...<br>


<br>Thanks for doing all this and that and letting us know about it.<br>See you tomorrow!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Frank Gmeindl <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fgmeindl@verizon.net" target="_blank">fgmeindl@verizon.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">And, more.</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Damien Davis
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org" target="_blank">ddavis@cityofmorgantown.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:05 AM<div><br>
<b>To:</b> Bill Austin; Frank Gmeindl; Terry Hough<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Morgantown Bicycle Lane</div></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Bill, on the cross-sections of the Mon Blvd bike lane proposal I
show that the shoulder on the PRT side is between 8 and 13.5 feet wide. While
the bike lane side is between 7.5 to 13 feet wide</span></p><div><div></div><div>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">J. Damien Davis, EIT, CFM, </span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">Assistant</span></b><span><ins datetime="2010-01-06T10:58"></ins></span><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;"> </span></b><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">City</span></b><span><ins datetime="2010-01-06T10:58"></ins></span></span><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;"> Engineer</span></b></p>




<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">City of </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span style="color: navy;">Morgantown</span><span><ins datetime="2010-01-06T10:58"></ins></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"></span></p>




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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span style="color: navy;">389 Spruce Street</span><span><ins datetime="2010-01-06T10:58"></ins></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span style="color: navy;">Morgantown</span><span><ins datetime="2010-01-06T10:58"></ins></span><span style="color: navy;">, </span><span style="color: navy;">WV</span><span><ins datetime="2010-01-06T10:58"></ins></span><span style="color: navy;"> </span><span style="color: navy;">26505</span><span><ins datetime="2010-01-06T10:58"></ins></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"></span></p>




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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"><a href="http://www.morgantown.com" target="_blank">www.morgantown.com</a></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Bill Austin
[mailto:<a href="mailto:baustin@moncpc.org" target="_blank">baustin@moncpc.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> &#39;Frank Gmeindl&#39;; Damien Davis; Terry Hough<br>
<b>Subject:</b> FW: Morgantown Bicycle Lane<br>
<b>Importance:</b> High</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Frank, Damien, Terry, </span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Please see the correspondence below. I do not believe the
proposed signage is adequate or acceptable for addressing the concern expressed
by the Bicycle Board. Previous correspondence I have seen says that the
shoulder on the down hill side of Mon Boulevard is the same width as on the
uphill side. I do not believe that this true.  I don’t believe it  is
either the same width or of the same pavement quality as the shoulder on the
uphill side. Can anyone confirm this for me? </span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The comment below that cyclists on the down slope cannot keep up
with traffic is simply a mis-expectation on the writers part. Cyclists should
not be expected to match speeds even on flat sections they should be expected
to not impede the flow of traffic. These are not the same things. We need to
address this misconception quickly. I am not sure how Jim Hudson fits into the
picture, I will look into it. </span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Please let me know your thoughts. I would like to respond to
this comment ASAP.  </span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks,</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Bill  </span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Hudson, Jim E
[mailto:<a href="mailto:Jim.E.Hudson@wv.gov" target="_blank">Jim.E.Hudson@wv.gov</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robinson, Bill C<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Keller, Perry J; Warner, Richard L; Lewis, Ray C; Shoukry, Fouad N;
Bill Austin<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Morgantown Bicycle Lane</span></p>

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<p><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">Bill</span></p>

<p><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">After much thought
on the Morgantown Bike Lane issue I</span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">think our signage should remain consistent with our
signage on other limited access highways.  Therefore I propose we limit
our signage and roadway markings to those found along Route 50, Route 33, and
the East Beckley By-Pass among other places.  These signs should be placed
on both sides of</span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">Monongahela
Boulevard and other locations where</span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">high-speed and/or high-density traffic and adequate
shoulders indicate it is necessary.</span></p>

<p><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">While I understand
the desire for a</span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">“climbing”
lane for bicycles, I do not accept the idea that average bicyclists</span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">(Class B)</span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">can safely maintain</span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">the speed of 45 to 50 mph
required to keep up with traffic on the downhill side of the road. </span>
<span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">Bicyclists who want to
ride on the</span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">road</span>
<span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">where the signs</span>
<span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">I propose</span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">have been posted</span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">are in the same category as
those semi drivers who want to drive in the left lane where signage prohibiting
trucks in the left lane have been</span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">installed.</span> </p>

<p><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">A photograph of the
signage used in these locations is attached to this email.</span> </p>

<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><img src="cid:image002.jpg@01CA8EBF.D4337400" alt="Picture (Device Independent Bitmap)" width="298" height="305"></span></p>

<p><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">Jim Hudson</span></p>

<p><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">Community
Development Specialist</span></p>

<p><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">Building 5, Room
863</span></p>

<p><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">1900 Kanawha Blvd.
E.</span></p>

<p><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">Charleston, WV
25305-0430</span></p>

<p><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;">(304) 558-9613 </span></p>

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